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  • dubcity
    Hall Of Fame
    • May 2012
    • 17876

    #3496
    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

    Originally posted by TMagic
    Yo! I know its been speculated that this could be the case.

    But she lays it out here clear as damn day!



    What are we supposed to make of this? Have any of you seen this before?
    But ... but that would insurance fraud and a conspiracy of the highest order!

    Or it's just what they're doing and no one is stopping it.

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    • bcruise
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2004
      • 23274

      #3497
      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

      Originally posted by TMagic
      Yo! I know its been speculated that this could be the case.

      But she lays it out here clear as damn day!



      What are we supposed to make of this? Have any of you seen this before?
      Sure have. Look at the date of that video - April 27.

      They've been categorizing them this way for quite a while now.

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      • dsallupinyaarea
        Rookie
        • Jan 2009
        • 2764

        #3498
        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

        A 42 second Youtube video uploaded by "Thrivetime Show: Business School without the BS". I click on the link and their website is hawking a book called "Fear Unmasked: Discover the Truth About the Coronavirus Shutdown".


        You can put the title of the Youtube video in a google search engine and find a few news sites giving more context to the actual process. This video is clearly clipped and possibly edited to strip the context from what she was saying.





        Here's one:





        With this direct quote:



        “There are also some additional deaths that happen in someone who happened to be COVID positive, but where the COVID infection had nothing to do with the deaths,” she said. “So we are at IDPH trying to remove those obvious cases where the COVID diagnosis was not the reason for the death. If there was a gunshot wound, if there was a motor vehicle accident, we know that that was not related to the COVID positive status.
        “We are trying to make sure that things that aren’t related at all to the COVID diagnosis are removed, but if someone has another illness, like heart disease, and then had a stroke or other event, it’s not as easy to separate that and say COVID didn’t exacerbate that existing illness. That would not be removed from the count,” she added.





        Guys, c'mon. This wasn't exactly a difficult one. Use Youtube for old music videos and SNL sketches. Not for information.
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        • Caulfield
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          • Apr 2011
          • 10986

          #3499
          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

          there may or may not be mislabled corona deaths, I dunno and dont care enough to look into it. who am I, Woodward and Bernstein? I do know not everyone is calling all deaths of patients w/corona a corona related deaths because around here they're still saying former Auburn University football coach Pat Dye died of kidney and liver failure

          *shrugs*
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          • bcruise
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2004
            • 23274

            #3500
            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

            Is this clipped or edited?



            Okay, so the article in ds's post is from a month later? So it sounds like she walked back some of what she said in that Apr 20 presser. That's fair, and I hadn't seen a follow-up on it before.

            "“There are also some additional deaths that happen in someone who happened to be COVID positive, but where the COVID infection had nothing to do with the deaths,” she said. “So we are at IDPH trying to remove those obvious cases where the COVID diagnosis was not the reason for the death. If there was a gunshot wound, if there was a motor vehicle accident, we know that that was not related to the COVID positive status."

            That's an important quote, and it stands in contrast to what she said on April 20.
            Last edited by bcruise; 07-11-2020, 11:39 AM.

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            • DieHardYankee26
              BING BONG
              • Feb 2008
              • 10178

              #3501
              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

              That’s from weeks later. It looks like she had to clarify her comments.
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              • dsallupinyaarea
                Rookie
                • Jan 2009
                • 2764

                #3502
                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                Originally posted by bcruise
                Is this clipped or edited?



                Okay, so the article in ds's post is from a month later? So it sounds like she walked back some of what she said in that Apr 20 presser. That's fair, and I hadn't seen a follow-up on it before.

                "“There are also some additional deaths that happen in someone who happened to be COVID positive, but where the COVID infection had nothing to do with the deaths,” she said. “So we are at IDPH trying to remove those obvious cases where the COVID diagnosis was not the reason for the death. If there was a gunshot wound, if there was a motor vehicle accident, we know that that was not related to the COVID positive status."

                That's an important quote, and it stands in contrast to what she said on April 20.

                Press conferences aren't typically 63 seconds so by definition it has to be clipped.




                Snark aside, What I gather from what she is saying is it's a process.



                If someone has chronic heart disease but with medication has a life expectancy of 10 more years then they get COVID and die this year, they're coding that as a COVID fatality for now. If folks believe that's some grand miscarriage of justice then I don't know what to say. If folks believe that means these numbers are overinflated and everything is actually fine, I also don't know what to tell them. Personally, I find the callousness with which some folks treat ppl with a pre-existing conditions as some walking COVID corpse more than offputting but I'm never gonna change their minds.


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                • TMagic
                  G.O.A.T.
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 7550

                  #3503
                  Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                  That is the leading health official in Illinois speaking during a press conference. Her words. There was no slant despite the source of the video lol

                  For context...a reporter asked the governor of Illinois about a teenager dying in the county, if it was the first teenager, and if the teenager had underlying conditions. The governor just passed the mic to her to address the question...

                  Then that 42 second clip is her answer and she walked away right after

                  So it's edited. Yes. But nothing was taken out of context to make it look a certain way.

                  And just know that I've been on team "Coronavirus is real" and a staunch pro mask advocate this entire time [emoji23]

                  I'm not saying there's this huge conspiracy and not to believe anything anymore. Just presented a credible video and wanted to hear thoughts on it
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                  • dubcity
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • May 2012
                    • 17876

                    #3504
                    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                    Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea

                    Personally, I find the callousness with which some folks treat ppl with a pre-existing conditions as some walking COVID corpse more than offputting but I'm never gonna change their minds.
                    I get that to a degree, but I think it's a product of one side pushing hard that EVERYONE was at high risk from the get go and not wanting to cede any ground, and another side pushing back equally against that as more information comes out, and the first side getting offended and annoyed at the response as if it's an insult to their personal beliefs. Both sides dig their heels in and it turns partisan.

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                    • dsallupinyaarea
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 2764

                      #3505
                      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                      Originally posted by dubcity
                      I get that to a degree, but I think it's a product of one side pushing hard that EVERYONE was at high risk from the get go and not wanting to cede any ground, and another side pushing back equally against that as more information comes out, and the first side getting offended and annoyed at the response as if it's an insult to their personal beliefs. Both sides dig their heels in and it turns partisan.

                      Meh.


                      One side was maybe, maaaaaaaaybe, being overly cautious in the name of public health. The other side was willing to write your death off as a cost of doing business if you're on blood pressure medication. To me, this is a bad faith use of "both sideism".


                      But as I said earlier, people's minds aren't being changed on the pre-existing conditions thing. It is what it is.
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                      • dubcity
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • May 2012
                        • 17876

                        #3506
                        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                        Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea
                        Meh.
                        One side was maybe, maaaaaaaaybe, being overly cautious in the name of public health. The other side was willing to write your death off as a cost of doing business if you're on blood pressure medication. To me, this is a bad faith use of "both sideism".
                        It's beyond being overly cautious when your identity becomes about fear and muddying the waters when it comes to the mortality risk of a virus to an entire population to fit with your emotions.

                        Every day people react to new information on who is most at risk, and which demo has a higher mortality rate than others, with, "who cares? You are costing lives by minimizing the risk! Now less people will be scared and more will die! **** you." Nate Silver gets this response over and over. If you bring up the average age of death from Covid then it means you don't care about the elderly. Etc.

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                        • NYJets
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 18637

                          #3507
                          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                          I thought the overwhelming message about this from the beginning was that this is very dangerous for the eldery and people with underlying conditions and for everyone else you get the flu, or a bad cold, for a couple weeks and then get better. I don't remember at the beginning the message being everyone is high risk of dying.

                          So as things progressed, when stuff came out that pointed to it being more dangerous than that for everyone, it becomes big news. Some of that stuff turned out to be false, some of it seems true, some seems to be true at times but overall very rare, some we still don't know.
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                          • mestevo
                            Gooney Goo Goo
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 19556

                            #3508
                            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                            Originally posted by NYJets
                            I thought the overwhelming message about this from the beginning was that this is very dangerous for the eldery and people with underlying conditions and for everyone else you get the flu, or a bad cold, for a couple weeks and then get better. I don't remember at the beginning the message being everyone is high risk of dying.

                            So as things progressed, when stuff came out that pointed to it being more dangerous than that for everyone, it becomes big news. Some of that stuff turned out to be false, some of it seems true, some seems to be true at times but overall very rare, some we still don't know.
                            This is pretty spot on, but iirc this was being conveyed in real time and was just written off by many as 'the media muddying the waters' as models adjusted as far down as 60k (reflecting longer term stay at home orders, like until July or August).

                            The entire situation begins and ends in politics. It's why we're where we are at, on every front, unfortunately... so every aspect of it then becomes political even when it shouldn't (masks, schools). Even a global pandemic isn't enough to bridge that divide.

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                            • Caulfield
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 10986

                              #3509
                              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                              Originally posted by NYJets
                              I thought the overwhelming message about this from the beginning was that this is very dangerous for the eldery and people with underlying conditions and for everyone else you get the flu, or a bad cold, for a couple weeks and then get better. I don't remember at the beginning the message being everyone is high risk of dying.

                              So as things progressed, when stuff came out that pointed to it being more dangerous than that for everyone, it becomes big news. Some of that stuff turned out to be false, some of it seems true, some seems to be true at times but overall very rare, some we still don't know.
                              in one aspect it went from let's flatten the curve to ease hospital workload to let's stay shutdown till a vaccine is available. a vaccine that may or may not ever exist. in another it went from masks won't help to they will help (from the same man, mind you), and eventually in some places, mandatory masks. which leads me to a head scratcher: the Atlanta mayor cant understand how she could have possibly gotten corona when she's been wearing a mask all along. guess she was too busy to listen why and how the masks help. idiot.


                              the only consistency the last 4 months is the inconsistency and the constant moving of the goalposts. our actions, reaction and inaction did more harm than corona itself. we are actually lucky this thing isn't more deadly and contagious as it could be. hopefully some of our dear leaders have learned a valuable lesson so that whenever the sequel to corona (supercorona) is unleashed , the opposite of the last 4 months will be the gameplan.
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                              • NYJets
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                                • Jul 2002
                                • 18637

                                #3510
                                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                                People arguing we should be locked down until a vaccine is such a small segment of the population it’s not even worth mentioning. Almost nobody is saying that.

                                The inconsistency about masks was a mistake no doubt. But it’s pretty clear now they help at least a little and maybe a lot, and they are a simple thing to do. So people saying “well back in March you said masks don’t help so I’m not going to wear one” is a bull**** excuse


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