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  • dubcity
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    • May 2012
    • 17876

    #3421
    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

    Originally posted by Sportsforever
    I honestly don't know what to make of the numbers; a friend of ours passed away recently. When COVID-19 broke she had been battling leukemia for a while; at no point in the entire pandemic did she have symptoms or test positive for COVID, but when she passed away they labeled her as a COVID death. When asked why, they said "she had a fever when she passed". I don't get it...
    I guess it falls into the "probable Covid death" category? I suspect a ton of the NY deaths were like that. People who died at home due to hospital avoidance, regardless of testing positive or not. People were/are dying of heart attacks and strokes unnecessarily because they were too scared of the prospect of going to a hospital. You could say the fear of the pandemic caused those deaths, but not the virus.

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    • p_rushing
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      • Feb 2004
      • 14514

      #3422
      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

      Originally posted by Sportsforever
      I honestly don't know what to make of the numbers; a friend of ours passed away recently. When COVID-19 broke she had been battling leukemia for a while; at no point in the entire pandemic did she have symptoms or test positive for COVID, but when she passed away they labeled her as a COVID death. When asked why, they said "she had a fever when she passed". I don't get it...
      Going to be interesting with life insurance for a lot of people. If they had cheaper plans that limited payouts for certain deaths and then they died from that condition but also had covid and the death certificate says covid, then they are going to fight to change a lot of death certificates.

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      • JayhawkerStL
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        • Apr 2004
        • 3644

        #3423
        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

        You know, you are probably right. I bet there is nothing going on at all...

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        • dsallupinyaarea
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          • Jan 2009
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          #3424
          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

          Who stands to gain from artificially inflating the death counts?
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          • slickdtc
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            • Aug 2004
            • 17125

            #3425
            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

            I don’t know **** about ****, but it wouldn’t surprise me that numbers were off because we were thrown in to this pandemic without pretty much any preparation or guidance. And then any we have received has changed. It would not surprise me to see deaths or bills coded wrongly, but not done maliciously to keep the numbers up to scare people. Probably more to make sure hospitals, insurances, etc are being paid. Money is the motive, usually.

            The truth could be as boring as incompetence, lack of training, or something along those lines.

            Jumping to conspiracy is the last step you take after exhausting all explanations. Once you give up and say yup it’s all a new world order, you’re pretty much saying there’s no point in doing anything in life since if the powers that be snap their fingers, we all are under control. I just can’t get with that.
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            • Jr.
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              • Feb 2003
              • 19171

              #3426
              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

              Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea
              Who stands to gain from artificially inflating the death counts?
              Hospital budgets

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              • dsallupinyaarea
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                • Jan 2009
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                #3427
                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                Originally posted by Jr.
                Hospital budgets

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                Just so I follow Doctors, at scale, are falsifying death certificates to divert public funds? Who would be the one coordinating this fraud?
                Last edited by dsallupinyaarea; 07-10-2020, 08:41 AM.
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                • stlducks
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                  • Mar 2010
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                  #3428
                  Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                  Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea
                  Who stands to gain from artificially inflating the death counts?
                  Political parties looking to push certain agendas? I hear people say hospital budgets often and I would really hope hospitals would not lie but in today's world it is impossible to trust people you don't know.

                  I would not be shocked at all if one political party tried inflating numbers while the other tried downplaying them.
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                  • NDAlum
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                    • Jun 2010
                    • 11453

                    #3429
                    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                    Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea
                    Just so I follow Doctors, at scale, are falsifying death certificates to divert public funds? Who would be the one coordinating this fraud?
                    I think they get more federal money for treating patients for COVID. I don't think they get additional money for deaths.

                    Like I think medicare pays out more for COVID treatments.

                    I saw an article or two on it, so I'm not 100% sure. Also who knows what I'm reading is even correct.

                    Also to chime in on some earlier posts: I'm in the all mainstream media is garbage crowd! Fox sucks. CNN sucks. MSNBC sucks. ESPN sucks. They all suck and I'm turning into a grumpy old man.
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                    • stlducks
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                      • Mar 2010
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                      #3430
                      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                      Originally posted by NDAlum
                      I think they get more federal money for treating patients for COVID. I don't think they get additional money for deaths.

                      Like I think medicare pays out more for COVID treatments.

                      I saw an article or two on it, so I'm not 100% sure. Also who knows what I'm reading is even correct.

                      Also to chime in on some earlier posts: I'm in the all mainstream media is garbage crowd! Fox sucks. CNN sucks. MSNBC sucks. ESPN sucks. They all suck and I'm turning into a grumpy old man.
                      I have been searching for years for a reliable news source that is not one of the big mainstream ones. So far, no luck. If anyone has good options for a media app that isn't bias one way or the other, I would appreciate it.
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                      • Scott
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                        #3431
                        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                        Originally posted by stlducks
                        I have been searching for years for a reliable news source that is not one of the big mainstream ones. So far, no luck. If anyone has good options for a media app that isn't bias one way or the other, I would appreciate it.
                        Use the Associated Press, they're regarded as one of the most unbiased options.

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                        • TMagic
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                          • Apr 2007
                          • 7550

                          #3432
                          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                          So I sent a friend this video...



                          He says "Lol I'm not watching that"

                          Then I get a dm from him this morning with this...



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                          • TMagic
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                            • Apr 2007
                            • 7550

                            #3433
                            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                            Originally posted by Scott
                            Use the Associated Press, they're regarded as one of the most unbiased options.

                            https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intera...ia-bias-chart/
                            NPR/BBC has been my personal go to.

                            I also use this website A LOT when I see things posted... https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

                            Just because there is SOME bias doesn't mean the information isn't factual or that you can't trust the source.

                            For example there's a difference in me saying that Tracy Mcgrady is the GOAT. Versus me saying that Tracy Mcgrady is a two time scoring champion and basketball hall of famer. Lol
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                            • Jr.
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                              • Feb 2003
                              • 19171

                              #3434
                              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                              Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea
                              Just so I follow Doctors, at scale, are falsifying death certificates to divert public funds? Who would be the one coordinating this fraud?
                              The hospitals are, i guess. I don't know I'm just relaying what people have said regarding hospitals getting more funding for COVID patients.

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                              • dsallupinyaarea
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                                • Jan 2009
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                                #3435
                                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                                Originally posted by stlducks
                                Political parties looking to push certain agendas? I hear people say hospital budgets often and I would really hope hospitals would not lie but in today's world it is impossible to trust people you don't know.

                                I would not be shocked at all if one political party tried inflating numbers while the other tried downplaying them.

                                So a political operative would have to, at scale, find doctors that 1. would be willing to participate in this criminality and 2. be so ideological he/she is willing to risk their reputation and medical license for the cause. Not just a handful of doctors. Enough to massively over inflate the impact of the virus. All of this would have to be done with everyone covering their tracks at every step and no one ever saying a word to anyone outside of the conspiracy.


                                Does this seem likely?
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