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  • KSUowls
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    • Jul 2009
    • 5894

    #376
    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

    Originally posted by Sportsforever
    https://youtu.be/6dDD2tHWWnU

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    It's a good compilation of data presented in a nice looking graph, but I wouldn't call it a good video in the context of what is going on in the world (maybe not even a good analytical video itself given some of the inconsistent ranges and other factors). Aside from the fact that the data is incredibly outdated as it was published on Feb 12 (a fact that the creator has edited to acknowledge in an "important update"), it is also irresponsible to give any graphical representation of data without expert opinion. This is true in my field of financial analytics, and it's certainly true when it comes to community health as well. It potentially leads people to making the wrong conclusions and ultimately bad decisions based off of those wrong conclusions. That's bad when it's a corporate office deciding if they want to expand into another market, and it's infinitely more so when it deals with community health.

    The whole thing with grocery stores being left barren is insane. The Costco near me had a line out the door and wrapped around the building this morning. I haven't heard any health expert say that we need to panic to that level (actually it seems to go against the idea of social distancing imo). We don't need to be saying/implying that it's business as usual either though. People shouldn't be given the thought that this will pass without a concentrated community effort because it might lead some to making irresponsible decisions (like not social distancing) which will lead to this actually getting to those worst case scenario projections). Real health experts have been getting asked questions similar to some of the data that this video presented, and every example is instantly shot done in how the situations are not comparable for various reasons (the primary one being how effective it is at spreading).

    In case anyone missed the video creator's edit. He still says "don't panic", but he's also not taking it as lightly anymore.
    IMPORTANT EDIT: When I made this video, there had only been only one death outside China, and the rate of new cases was slowing down. Now (March 11th) there are 4,500 deaths (3K in China), and the rates are speeding up.
    That's why in this video, I had tried to convey that the epidemic was nothing to panic over. However, given that this is now a pandemic, I would STILL say not to panic, but I would no longer claim "COVID-19 kills less people than the generic flu so it's no big deal" (as I had in this video).
    The current trends suggest COVID-19 is still growing exponentially, so it's important to take actions (don't go to large gatherings, etc.
    Last edited by KSUowls; 03-13-2020, 11:44 PM.

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    • roadman
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      • Aug 2003
      • 26339

      #377
      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

      Another great article of what social distancing is all about and reiterating my post previously about being young and healthy and this article was written on Monday, before the national emergency was declared.



      So even if you’re young and healthy, it’s your job to follow social distancing measures to avoid spreading it to others, and keep the epidemic in slow motion. “The more young and healthy people are sick at the same time, the more old people will be sick, and the more pressure there will be on the health care system,” Landon explained.

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      • tdawg3782
        I hate you Norv
        • Nov 2003
        • 4803

        #378
        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

        Originally posted by KSUowls
        It's a good compilation of data presented in a nice looking graph, but I wouldn't call it a good video in the context of what is going on in the world (maybe not even a good analytical video itself given some of the inconsistent ranges and other factors). Aside from the fact that the data is incredibly outdated as it was published on Feb 12 (a fact that the creator has edited to acknowledge in an "important update"), it is also irresponsible to give any graphical representation of data without expert opinion. This is true in my field of financial analytics, and it's certainly true when it comes to community health as well. It potentially leads people to making the wrong conclusions and ultimately bad decisions based off of those wrong conclusions. That's bad when it's a corporate office deciding if they want to expand into another market, and it's infinitely more so when it deals with community health.

        The whole thing with grocery stores being left barren is insane. The Costco near me had a line out the door and wrapped around the building this morning. I haven't heard any health expert say that we need to panic to that level (actually it seems to go against the idea of social distancing imo). We don't need to be saying/implying that it's business as usual either though. People shouldn't be given the thought that this will pass without a concentrated community effort because it might lead some to making irresponsible decisions (like not social distancing) which will lead to this actually getting to those worst case scenario projections). Real health experts have been getting asked questions similar to some of the data that this video presented, and every example is instantly shot done in how the situations are not comparable for various reasons (the primary one being how effective it is at spreading).

        In case anyone missed the video creator's edit. He still says "don't panic", but he's also not taking it as lightly anymore.

        That is why I thought it was a great video. Not to down play what is happening but to not freaking panic like is happening everywhere I look. It's just insane. Honestly the panic hoarding is going to cause a whole other issue if people don't relax on it.


        Also, like you said, love love the irony in how we are supposed to be social distancing with each other yet let's all go to grocery store and hang in very close proximity with each other lol. I mean come on people. Common freaking sense.

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        • roadman
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          • Aug 2003
          • 26339

          #379
          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

          Originally posted by tdawg3782
          That is why I thought it was a great video. Not to down play what is happening but to not freaking panic like is happening everywhere I look. It's just insane. Honestly the panic hoarding is going to cause a whole other issue if people don't relax on it.


          Also, like you said, love love the irony in how we are supposed to be social distancing with each other yet let's all go to grocery store and hang in very close proximity with each other lol. I mean come on people. Common freaking sense.
          I agree and I'm not enjoying the hoarding aspect, but, what's that saying, you can't teach stupid.

          The hoarding is out of control and out of my control.

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          • Caulfield
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            • Apr 2011
            • 10986

            #380
            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

            I've decided I'll save my cash and use that as TP. it seems to be worthless at grocery stores now anyways.
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            • dickey1331
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              • Sep 2009
              • 14285

              #381
              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

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              • Councilmann_Jamm
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                • Feb 2016
                • 745

                #382
                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                Originally posted by roadman
                Another great article of what social distancing is all about and reiterating my post previously about being young and healthy and this article was written on Monday, before the national emergency was declared.



                So even if you’re young and healthy, it’s your job to follow social distancing measures to avoid spreading it to others, and keep the epidemic in slow motion. “The more young and healthy people are sick at the same time, the more old people will be sick, and the more pressure there will be on the health care system,” Landon explained.
                I don't know about everyone else. But I work with two people over 65. The rest are all 24-38

                I started to realize what was happening a month ago but kept to myself. Didn't want to start talking about it and start getting people panic. Just said I've gone food store before everyone else starts panic buying.

                Old folks didn't care. Younger people it's just the flu we'll be okay.

                Following week old folks didn't care, Young folks only start to care that potential summer festivals and sports getting cancelled.

                This week more people are talking about it so I start telling them things I've read about, Young folks still think I'm overreacting.

                Tuesday it becomes a pandemic. All young people are only talking about the virus and start realizing we're gonna potentially lockdown in isolation.

                The only people who didn't care were the two 65+ workers. They say "nothing I can do to control it" "we'll be at work Monday" "why stress over this when it's not in your control" "don't know why everyone is freaking out"

                So I've seen a swing that younger generation is starting to care more and older folks are caring less and want to live life as normal.

                Personally my brother and I have both had to tell/yell at my 67 year old father to stop going to work - retirement job, and that took about a week.

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                • Councilmann_Jamm
                  Pro
                  • Feb 2016
                  • 745

                  #383
                  Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                  Originally posted by Caulfield
                  I've decided I'll save my cash and use that as TP. it seems to be worthless at grocery stores now anyways.
                  I bet while toilet paper is gone....wet wipes are readily available.

                  Most people rather fight over that than spend a couple more dollars on wet wipes!

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                  • KSUowls
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 5894

                    #384
                    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                    Originally posted by tdawg3782
                    That is why I thought it was a great video. Not to down play what is happening but to not freaking panic like is happening everywhere I look. It's just insane. Honestly the panic hoarding is going to cause a whole other issue if people don't relax on it.


                    Also, like you said, love love the irony in how we are supposed to be social distancing with each other yet let's all go to grocery store and hang in very close proximity with each other lol. I mean come on people. Common freaking sense.
                    Yeah the message of "don't panic" is a good one. My problem with the video is, like many of us a month ago when it was published, it downplays the seriousness of it. Even now I've seen people say to go about our lives like it's business as usual, and if you were to look at those graphs then you might feel justified in that way of thinking because it does try to lead people to a certain conclusion based on contradictory and outdated data.

                    Hopefully the over-panic will subside and people will go back to being more reasonable with what they are rushing to the store to buy and stock up on. At least there is one good thing about the panic though. It has kind of forced organizations and people to re-think large gatherings and hopefully increase the likelihood of "flattening the curve".

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                    • Sportsforever
                      NL MVP
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 20368

                      #385
                      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                      Originally posted by KSUowls
                      Yeah the message of "don't panic" is a good one. My problem with the video is, like many of us a month ago when it was published, it downplays the seriousness of it. Even now I've seen people say to go about our lives like it's business as usual, and if you were to look at those graphs then you might feel justified in that way of thinking because it does try to lead people to a certain conclusion based on contradictory and outdated data.



                      Hopefully the over-panic will subside and people will go back to being more reasonable with what they are rushing to the store to buy and stock up on. At least there is one good thing about the panic though. It has kind of forced organizations and people to re-think large gatherings and hopefully increase the likelihood of "flattening the curve".


                      I think some would gather from my posts that I think shutting things down is over reaction, etc. I don’t; flatting the curve and extending this thing is going to save lives.

                      What I absolutely cannot stand is the fear and panic I see from healthy 35 year olds who are stampeding at the store to buy that last pack of TP.

                      In that regard I think the video is great because it demonstrates to those folks that you are not in mortal danger and can calm down, chill out, and worry about those who really are in danger.


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                      • jeremym480
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                        • Oct 2008
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                        #386
                        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                        My BIL is the Air Force and my sister and her family were planning a trip home in late April/Early May. Last night the AF denied travel for him as well as anyone living on base.

                        My sister was already getting nervous about traveling since she has four kids and two are toddlers so at least that decision was made for her now.

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                        • roadman
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                          • Aug 2003
                          • 26339

                          #387
                          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                          Originally posted by Sportsforever
                          I think some would gather from my posts that I think shutting things down is over reaction, etc. I don’t; flatting the curve and extending this thing is going to save lives.

                          What I absolutely cannot stand is the fear and panic I see from healthy 35 year olds who are stampeding at the store to buy that last pack of TP.

                          In that regard I think the video is great because it demonstrates to those folks that you are not in mortal danger and can calm down, chill out, and worry about those who really are in danger.


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                          I watched the video and there were a bunch of graphs illustrating all the different kind of flu's we've witnessed in history.

                          For we, it was difficult to ascertain if you were downplaying CV based on the video.

                          Now, it's much more clearer and I appreciate you clearing that part up and I couldn't agree more.

                          That 35 year old with the toilet paper fetish is disturbing, to say the least, but there isn't anything that won't prevent them for doing that again. That is part of the "me" culture mentality I described earlier. They feel they will be isolated for a very long time and have the fear of TP phobia.

                          They will never get it.

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                          • DaImmaculateONe
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                            • Oct 2007
                            • 3540

                            #388
                            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                            The older population is outnumbering the younger generation then a new virus comes out that affects mostly 60+ age group population, except in italy, conspiracy.
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                            • Jr.
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                              • Feb 2003
                              • 19171

                              #389
                              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                              Originally posted by Councilmann_Jamm
                              I bet while toilet paper is gone....wet wipes are readily available.

                              Most people rather fight over that than spend a couple more dollars on wet wipes!
                              Wipes were completely gone at the stores I went to as well

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                              • KG
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                                • Sep 2005
                                • 17583

                                #390
                                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                                Originally posted by Qb
                                I'm contemplating a Friday night grocery run, something I do occasionally to beat the weekend crowd and get it out of the way. I also have 20% off my order, so it's the time to stock up even in normal circumstances. The question is... How far down the rabbit hole do I go?


                                I would stock up Q...if for anything because you have 20% off lol


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