Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me again

[wordtobigbird]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Anyone else feel the same way? I really do love a large part of this game but in manager mode, I can pretty much tell if I am going to draw or lose before game ends. Same old stuff - phantom penalties, terrible passing by my ai players, goalies not moving, etc.

THIS was his argument. Now people are saying the difficulty just gets ramped up and/or momentum isn't balanced properly. That's a far cry from scripting.

I'll let you guys get your claims on the same page and we can bring this issue back in FIFA16. If yall get it again even though youre not in control of the game apparently.

[wordtobigbird]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

My complaint about the game is about user Ai if anything, like how come my player can sit there look at a ball rolling inches away from him and not react? Trying frantically to switch to him but most cases the cpu already has possession and about to score. That needs to be fixed to give a more realistic feel to this game.

This is a legitimate complaint. The CPU's "player sense" is much higher than the HUM AI's and this is very very annoying at times. Like you said, combined with auto switch not switching you to the nearest player to the ball but rather whoever they think is the player in best position for you to control makes for the salutations youre talking about. I try to switch using the right stick to point at the players but I agree its still a big problem.

But is that scripting? Does that ONLY happen when the CPU wants to score? That happens in the 1st or 90th minute with any game vs any team on any difficulty and is a clear, easily documented flaw in the game. I could pull up the game right now in 10 minutes get you a video of this problem.

Scripting defeats? Not so much.

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Scripting is there, but I only see it as the CPU trying harder to get a goal. sometimes ti does look like CPU players have a boost in stats for a few moments, but it doesn´t bother me that much to call it frustrating or totally unrealistic.

About choosing the right player yes it may be a little awkward sometimes, and might even screw our defensive plan sometimes but as it has been pointed, its a common thing in the game, more like a problem instead of scripting.

For some theory around here that CPU ramps up in matches and in season overall, yes I believe it does, but its not unfair at all. I´m keeping my first place on league one as we discuss this, and now with 30 matches done, and when I was expecting to get harder, I just had my best results so far.

1-4 against the 3rd place, where there was a start with a red card for CPU, wich totally messed their chances.
3-0 against 11th place and 1-3 against 19th.
Can´t really say here that CPU is trying hard to screw my game. Instead, they are trying harder to win matches and I am breaking their defense with powerfull counters. Plus my team is in great form, and I can feel it!

to me it looks like people are looking only at the bad moments when they occur, but I´ve had all types of performance by the CPU.

Example of that are the games wich I lately won 1-4 and 1-3. I started conceiving first, but as soon as I scored 2 goals, they completely got messed up and haven´t created more chances. No damn scripting there, nothing. Just like they were overwhelmed.

[Matt10]

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If he's a very good player, then he probably wouldnt notice the scripting as it heavily depends on momentum. All the people that dont see it are either oblivious or are better players, because it's mostly momentum based. I play full manual on World Class and I see these things every game, simply because I dont pass as well as I did on the 360 with the new controllers. You make a few bad passes, all of the sudden things go south, and in the most ridiculous ways, not realistic. Its not because the AI takes advantage of your bad pass, it's because after your bad pass, one of their players will blatantly block you from getting the ball in such a manner there is no way it couldnt be a card, and then all of the sudden you cant control the right defender in the crucial moment. They get blocked in such a way I've never seen my AI players do it to theirs.

After reading your post, I played a game and recorded two instances of blatant cheating/interference on the AI's part were there was obviously no call, that within 15 seconds afterward let to a goal where I could not gain control of the needed defender. I will post them. I've used your sliders, Orions and made my own, but I havent found a good set for me yet. Sliders are simply not a cure-all situation, and though they can help to make the game better, I believe people put too much emphasis on them. You'll probably be offended by that statement, I apologize, that wasnt my intention, just my opinion.



I didnt say I was losing games. I do lose, yes, but I dont lose that often. I dont need to lose to be frustrated, though losing does make you more frustrated.

Youre right, I dont agree with the way theyve made it more difficult. Youre also correct that, whether you make the game more intelligent on higher difficulties, or whether you make it cheat/or script it, which ever term you prefer, that is also a way of making it harder. Strategy games have been giving the AI more resources and faster build/research values to make the higher difficulties harder since the beginning of video game time, and I've been ok with it since then, but if they were to stop me from building a particular building or research a type of technology, or move to a certain place in a certain amount of time just to allow the AI to win, that would piss me off, and would be equivalent to what FIFA does. I believe youre so good that the momentum is mostly in your favour, and you also know how to combat it better. Are you a manual or auto player? That also has bearing on the subject.

As a computer programmer, I've bolded your statement about scripting. If you do not know for certain, you should not spread misinformation about how programming works. Scripting actually works very well with user input. All you need to do is have certain criteria met, or certain variables hit a particular value and you can do whatever you want, user input or not. What you said there is most certainly 100% incorrect. if( value a > target_value) increase_momentum( target_team );
Simple, fundamental programming. Perhaps that's why I see it as possible, but it always comes back to someone who has little to no programming knowledge "stating" that they know its impossible. I also commonly hear that how could EA control the game like that? They cant make the players move how they want when they want ........ well, thats exactly how the game was created, they can do whatever they want! They can change individual player behaviours on a dime if they wanted, they just need certain criteria met, which is not hard to track.

I didn't want to quote the whole post, but you make some very valid points. I'm no way offended, this is a game afterall. As a programmer, you know there is scripting to specific target, as you mentioned, and how it increases/decreases momentum. I think FIFA 15 has given what a lot of us have wanted, which is scenario recognition (if this, then this mentality) and as a result, has overdone it a bit.

The idea with sliders is not to remove occurences - it's just to lower the chances of them happening.

Try out the test set sliders on the OS Sliders we have posted. I intended to keep players further away from goal for a reason, and we've put more obstacles (realistically) via the midfield, so more of those issues do not rear their ugly heads.

[half-fast]

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I didn't want to quote the whole post, but you make some very valid points. I'm no way offended, this is a game afterall. As a programmer, you know there is scripting to specific target, as you mentioned, and how it increases/decreases momentum. I think FIFA 15 has given what a lot of us have wanted, which is scenario recognition (if this, then this mentality) and as a result, has overdone it a bit.

The idea with sliders is not to remove occurences - it's just to lower the chances of them happening.

Try out the test set sliders on the OS Sliders we have posted. I intended to keep players further away from goal for a reason, and we've put more obstacles (realistically) via the midfield, so more of those issues do not rear their ugly heads.

I will definitely give them a try. Thanks for the suggestion.

[alexlovesfootball]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Knew my other post wouldn't appear.

It's not momentum. Maybe there used to be a form of artificial momentum, I don't know. But let's just say that it ain't that no more. I still wouldn't agree with a momentum like that anyways, though.

But what this is, is dynamic difficulties to behave like rubberbanding. Sliders handicapping and some scripting. Heck even player switching is controlled by dynamic difficulty, the ball physics, everything...

Think of it like playing monopoly in the form of a video game and the computer scripting better luck for you and lesser luck for the other guy because the other guy has been far too lucky by chance...

[alexlovesfootball]

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There's no incentive to actually play football.

But that's what it's like...

Imagine buying monopoly the video game from EA and it has a multiplayer mode but then you soon find that the engine is effectively deciding who wins by rigging the dice rolls... you see that something ain't quite right but some others don't.

Scripting/rubberbanding is far too blatant in these EA sports games and I'm guessing Ultimate Team has motivated them to script them this badly... it's all about money and getting the "optimum number of people playing the game which in turn results in more money generated through their notorious micro-transactions."

I cannot even play these games out of boredom.

Dynamic difficulty effectively ensures that there is no incentive to actually play football, unless you are looking to concede way more goals in this sort of fashion for example...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmfYiqKWrmg&list=UU7MR2CK2NrnwC-8L6IYLWaA

Why do people accept this kind of gameplay.... You think you're going to have better players than others in this game?

[alexlovesfootball]

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To those who say there is no scripting...

This game is grossly unfair....

Get better, play football and you will see that vs. people who just do 2 pass max and then some aimless lob.

Get better and you will see it right in front of your face, EA no shame in not even making it subtle. You will then understand why they are labelled the greediest there is.

Hideously unfair... The game absolutely disgusts me. And it should be illegal for them to grossly mislead people.

[olliekse]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

To those who say there is no scripting...

This game is grossly unfair....

Get better, play football and you will see that vs. people who just do 2 pass max and then some aimless lob.

Get better and you will see it right in front of your face, EA no shame in not even making it subtle. You will then understand why they are labelled the greediest there is.

Hideously unfair... The game absolutely disgusts me. And it should be illegal for them to grossly mislead people.

I just dont see the scripting. I play on Legendary and there's never been a moment where i feel something has happened that i couldn't have prevented. Good defending has always got me the 3 pts.

[Matt10]

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Yeah...Alex... you are basically beating a dead horse here, and preaching to the choir at the same time. I'm not seeing as much since we have adjusted sliders to keep players farther away from the opponents's goal than on default.

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

I don´t want to look like a blind fanboy but I can´t see that much of "disgusting" scripting. Playing WC and default sliders and I´m not conceding that much. Once in a while I do get an awkward goal or an unresponsive defender, but never ever felt like a gamebreaker!

[FluffyTonka]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me ...

I want the CPU to come at me in the dying minutes. if it didn't up its pressure and go out to score, I'd feel cheated.

I go all out to score on it if I'm down in the last 10 minutes. Plenty of times its me getting the late gamewinner or tying goal.

... how many late winners happen in real life, when real life teams change tactics and bomb it forward? I watch maybe 3 or 4 games a weekend, and see plenty of injury time goals. Swansea and arsenal, the very last game of football I've watched down 0-1 score 2 goals in the final 3 minutes this morning to win ... Arsenal's last game they led 3-0 and ended up drawing 3-3 at anderlecht.

Van gaal's post game interview he talked about how crap united are at protecting a lead, any lead, and how they need to defend in the last 10 minutes a lot better.

if the cpu did nothing in the last 5 minutes and played like it does in the first 5 minutes everyone would be screaming about lazy programmers & AI not creating game situational awareness.

learn to protect a lead, put more people behind the ball (park the bus) clear the ball ... and play like they do in real life. clear the ball out of bounds instead of looking to pass out from the back and score another goal on the counter etc ...

people complaining about scripting and late ai comebacks, just sound like sore losers to me. If EA never coded the game to be harder in the last 10 minutes, i'm not sure the game would be worth playing.

[olliekse]

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people complaining about scripting and late ai comebacks, just sound like sore losers to me. If EA never coded the game to be harder in the last 10 minutes, i'm not sure the game would be worth playing.

people have been whinging about it for years and i have never seen it. I think some dummies have been spat out, it cant possibly be your sh!te defending ...

[alextheplayer]

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people have been whinging about it for years and i have never seen it. I think some dummies have been spat out, it cant possibly be your sh!te defending ...

Well don't say were are lying, though. The company admits that it's in Madden... compensating, and that's what I was experiencing in FIFA. Go to that link I posted. I had experienced it many times and it was extremely frustrating... the game "tugging" on your players to stupefy you etc. You don't know where you are at the game. This "game" will not allow you to play football.

I didn't know where I was at it, I just saw a game heavily (insanely) influenced by scripting against & for, and the only half strategy there is... the counter attack. Anti passing etc. Being selfish/not playing it as a team game as much as possible.

Why on earth would we even make this up? And we're just astonished that you people don't experience this. We want to lose & win organically.

And don't laugh because I used to have records of, for example, won 1000 lost 3... back in the times when FIFA's were just bad, bad and unrealistic bad, but not scripted/no rubberbanding.

But it's not about that. I don't take gaming seriously anymore. I know I wouldn't be all that great these days anyways. It's about this for example...

"Just had a low division game with my team and was up 2-0 by half time. The opposition came back and beat me 3-2 in the following way...
One guy gets the ball at the half way line and proceeds to 'walk' towards my goal. All my midfielders and defenders are pushed away by some wierd invisible forcefield and boom scores. It seemed to be in slow motion almost like the scripting could not cope."

The game dumbing you down by blatantly overriding your user controlled actions on the pitch... BLATANTLY at that too.

I don't want to win in that fashion either.

You can't watch some random FIFA video on youtube and automatically go "He was bad at defending" for example.

It does not let you play football.

Why do these people keep playing this.....

[Nabz]

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So I been playing on Legendary with Matt's sliders. And the last two games I had 90 minute game winning goals. And I was like hmmm, I've scored alotta goals in the 90+.