Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

[KingKO92]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

I'd love to have some sort of write up with basic guidelines for team style, I think someone else mentioned that. It'd be very helpful for the non league/UCL match ups in my season.

What I do: 1) Take the average position of the team you're playing against (I use the team's average position against the best team they've played) (use WhoScored).
2) Place the players on the field relative to their average position. I would take a picture of the formation if you are using the two controller method so you don't have to look up their formation again if you play the same team again. Also, choose the most played player at that position.
3) Use heat maps for player instructions. Compare them to the ones Krebstar (on his website) and I (in this thread) have done. Also, interceptions and defensive behavior are always going to be normal.
4) Compare stats to Krebstar's and my team tactics. This is what I use:
Possession for build-up speed
Long Balls for build-up passing
Heat maps for build-up positioning
Pass Acc. for the other passing
Crosses for crossing (unless under the team traits section it says "attempts a lot of crosses")
Shots out of box to total shots ratio for shooting (unless under the team traits section it says "attempts a lot of shots" or "takes a lot of long shots")
Heat maps for other positioning (specifically take a look at the striker's heat map)
Total Tackles for pressure
Aggression trait for aggression (leave at 50 if there is none)
Width trait for width (leave at 50 if there is none)
Offside trap trait for defensive line (use cover if there is none)

Hope this helps.

[DirtyCobra]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

What I do: 1) Take the average position of the team you're playing against (I use the team's average position against the best team they've played) (use WhoScored).
2) Place the players on the field relative to their average position. I would take a picture of the formation if you are using the two controller method so you don't have to look up their formation again if you play the same team again. Also, choose the most played player at that position.
3) Use heat maps for player instructions. Compare them to the ones Krebstar (on his website) and I (in this thread) have done. Also, interceptions and defensive behavior are always going to be normal.
4) Compare stats to Krebstar's and my team tactics. This is what I use:
Possession for build-up speed
Long Balls for build-up passing
Heat maps for build-up positioning
Pass Acc. for the other passing
Crosses for crossing (unless under the team traits section it says "attempts a lot of crosses")
Shots out of box to total shots ratio for shooting (unless under the team traits section it says "attempts a lot of shots" or "takes a lot of long shots")
Heat maps for other positioning (specifically take a look at the striker's heat map)
Total Tackles for pressure
Aggression trait for aggression (leave at 50 if there is none)
Width trait for width (leave at 50 if there is none)
Offside trap trait for defensive line (use cover if there is none)

Hope this helps.

Very helpful thanks.

[aterry]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Has anyone simmed a season or two with these yet? I am almost half way through my CM and Liverpool is bottom of the table, havent won a game and have only scored 5 goals. Man City are mid table and Crystal Palace is top. Maybe its just an anomaly but some of the most extreme teams (tactically) seem to be doing poorly. Im a little nervous the fact that Liverpool has no ST or CF in their tactic effects their simmed stats. Any input would be nice.

[KingKO92]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Has anyone simmed a season or two with these yet? I am almost half way through my CM and Liverpool is bottom of the table, havent won a game and have only scored 5 goals. Man City are mid table and Crystal Palace is top. Maybe its just an anomaly but some of the most extreme teams (tactically) seem to be doing poorly. Im a little nervous the fact that Liverpool has no ST or CF in their tactic effects their simmed stats. Any input would be nice.

This probably means that the second controller method is the way to go.

[aterry]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Ran a few test cm's and it seems that the lack of cf or st for Liverpool drastically limits their goals when simulating. In four tests they hadn't scored more than 5 goals through 20 games. Once I switched firming to cf with false 9 selected they started scoring at a normal rate. Anyways thought I would pass that on. They still seem to play to real life with firmino set to cf.

[KingKO92]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Fiorentina
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Player Instructions
LCB Astori - Attacking Support: Stay Back
- Interceptions: Normal
CB Rodriguez - Attacking Support: Stay Back
- Interceptions: Normal
RCB Tomovic - Attacking Support: Join the Attack
- Interceptions: Normal
LM Milic - Defensive Support: Come Back
- Chance Creation: Stay Wide
- Support Runs: Come Short
- Support on Crosses: Get in the Box
- Positioning Freedom: Stick to Position
- Interceptions: Normal
LDM Sanchez - Defensive Behavior: Balanced
- Attacking Support: Get Forward
- Interceptions: Normal
RDM Badelj - Defensive Behavior: Balanced
- Attacking Support: Balanced
- Interceptions: Normal
RM Tello - Defensive Support: Balanced
- Chance Creation: Cut Inside
- Support Runs: Get in Behind
- Support on Crosses: Edge of the Box
- Positioning Freedom: Stick to Position
- Interceptions: Normal
LF Valero - Support Runs: Drift Wide
- Attacking Runs: False 9
- Interceptions: Normal
- Defensive Pressing: Cut Passing Lanes
RF Ilicic - Support Runs: Drift Wide
- Attacking Runs: False 9
- Interceptions: Normal
- Defensive Pressing: Cut Passing Lanes
ST Kalinic - Support Runs: Stay Central
- Attacking Runs: Target Player
- Interceptions: Normal
- Defensive Pressing: Cut Passing Lanes

Team Tactics
Speed - 1
Passing - 1
Positioning - Organized
Passing - 1
Crossing - 60
Shooting - 10
Positioning - Free Form
Pressure - 30
Aggression - 30
Width - 45
Defensive Line - Cover

[MikeGiani]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

So we have to make sure every formation has a cf or st?

[aterry]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

So we have to make sure every formation has a cf or st?

If you are doing the second controller method you should be fine but if you want to edit all the Team Sheets before your CM starts I would suggest makign sure there is a ST or CF in the formation. I tested 4 CMs to February and the only consistent anomaly is Liverpool not scoring.

[GoBlue81188]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

If you are doing the second controller method you should be fine but if you want to edit all the Team Sheets before your CM starts I would suggest makign sure there is a ST or CF in the formation. I tested 4 CMs to February and the only consistent anomaly is Liverpool not scoring.

Played Liverpool and kept firmino as a CF, game played beautifully

[GR5Noles]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

any findings with the aggression tuning?

I'm playing a CM with West Brom and trying to play Pulis ball, so it's kind of frustrating that I don't even have the opportunity to score from set pieces since I haven't seen a foul in 3-4 matches.

[Krebstar]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Liverpool has been updated to utilize a CF.

Also, Crystal Palace and Hull City have been added!

[DirtyCobra]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

any findings with the aggression tuning?

I'm playing a CM with West Brom and trying to play Pulis ball, so it's kind of frustrating that I don't even have the opportunity to score from set pieces since I haven't seen a foul in 3-4 matches.

I have tested 3games with aggression at 100. Players do come at you much more aggressively with regards to tackling. Still not getting a lot of fouls. However, once I lowered sprint speed and acceleration I did get more fouls. Also the players aggression and tackling attributes may have to do with the fouls.

[Krebstar]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

I have tested 3games with aggression at 100. Players do come at you much more aggressively with regards to tackling. Still not getting a lot of fouls. However, once I lowered sprint speed and acceleration I did get more fouls. Also the players aggression and tackling attributes may have to do with the fouls.

This is my concern with high aggression, as in FIFA it has never translated to more fouls, unfortunately. What it does to is cause higher and more pressing.

Which is why I prefer teams who sit deep to have lower aggression, as it makes them truly sit deep, and not sit deep but press and close down. They want you to break them down, they're not going to miss and let you stroll by.

I'm open to changing it, but I'm happy with how it's currently working. Teams like Liverpool press high and often—Spurs on the other hand press, but still sit a bit deeper and have a solid defense. And then there are the sides who 100% sit deep and make you break them down.

If aggression is raised across the board, I fear it'll be easier to break some teams down, and allow you to move through some defenses easier than you should be able to.

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Also, Hull City has just been added

[GoBlue81188]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

Fouls have been excellent in every game except Leicester, I believe 15 pressure and 40 aggression? Could just be a one off coincidence cuz I've had no problem getting 10 total fouls every other game, which is the best we can expect.

What you guys have done is given these teams truly unique identity and I applaud you for it. The game isn't perfect but no video games are, and this is damn good

[DirtyCobra]

Re: Projec10: Custom AI Tactics & Formations [FIFA 17]

This is my concern with high aggression, as in FIFA it has never translated to more fouls, unfortunately. What it does to is cause higher and more pressing.

Which is why I prefer teams who sit deep to have lower aggression, as it makes them truly sit deep, and not sit deep but press and close down. They want you to break them down, they're not going to miss and let you stroll by.

I'm open to changing it, but I'm happy with how it's currently working. Teams like Liverpool press high and often—Spurs on the other hand press, but still sit a bit deeper and have a solid defense. And then there are the sides who 100% sit deep and make you break them down.

If aggression is raised across the board, I fear it'll be easier to break some teams down, and allow you to move through some defenses easier than you should be able to.

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Also, Hull City has just been added

I agree with you, I like the way it plays with agression status quo.