FIFA 17 OS Community Sliders

[andanesean]

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It's funny you should post this because I hesitated posting this video

https://vid.me/JHZV

I'm leading 1-0 with 10 minutes remaining and they are showing no effort at all, the reason I hesitated is because I was using default CTT (my 2nd controller wasn't available to input Krebstar's CTT's) but even so I would expect more effort

Other things of note with latest patch

- Players running in a straight line past the intended player they want to mark/tackle

- CPU more direct now, less build up/backward passes (I'm seeing an increase in 1-2 first time shots)

- Fullbacks are really tucking in now, sometimes touch tight with the CB's


I would also like to add this beauty scored pre-patch by the CPU - https://vid.me/UbYt

Sure, we can pick apart my defending. still, It beats the same old everyday goals they normally score

In your video after 9-10 sek. a player (cam or attacker) decides to go back to midfield and be there along with the other attacker. They stare football, they contribute nothing !. 10 min remaining and all teams would hunt the ball behind 0-1, and they are so close to their opponent.CTT or not it should be a natural encoded part of the game.
By the way nice goal (-.

[Introspectah]

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Just a thought. If you are seeing less ADD and more bad positioning, it could be that the new code gives less emphasis on players returning to their positions, which means they can move more freely towards the ball. Up to now, they prioritised getting back to position even if the ball was right in front of them. Maybe they needed to sacrifice one thing to gain another?

Clever thought.

[adoptedscouse]

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One thing I have noticed since patch (not using ctt as waiting for transfer season to be over & input them then) is that cpu are playing a lot more cross field through balls than ever before, even if it just goes out of play.

One question I have to ask from OP is the defence pressure to min 55, are you guys doing this on every team or just ones in the league you play in & when you play in Europe just leave as is????


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[Matt10]

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Just a thought. If you are seeing less ADD and more bad positioning, it could be that the new code gives less emphasis on players returning to their positions, which means they can move more freely towards the ball. Up to now, they prioritised getting back to position even if the ball was right in front of them. Maybe they needed to sacrifice one thing to gain another?


I've played qutie a few games over the weekend and I can definitely see what you are describing (which I can see in your videos). But dare I say that I actually like it? I think the really strong teams with good player form stick to their lines much better and weaker teams behave more erratically. I don't know, I like it I'm interested to hear if you (or anyone) finds a solution to it but I may keep it as it is, it has added more excitement and I don't find it annoying (it also means that when I want to ensure they stick to their defensive positions, I have to adjust Defensivwe attitude and adjust my CTT during the game, which adds an layer that wasn't very much there before)

Well, there is loose ball ADD, which doesn't usually determine players returning to their positions as it happens offensively and defensively, instead they simply ignore the ball. The main issue right now is defensive ADD, where there is just an absent mind in the defending position overall. I'm not sure how this is a good thing at all, as it goes against every fundamental core to the sport's fundamentals. Players in my over 30 understand the concept of zonal defense, and situational positions, I'd expect professional footballers to grasp that concept as well.

It does not sound good, do you think they have tampered with (C)TT?. Is it only Slider related, or can (C)Slider change it!?.

I'll post in the next post of a video where I used CTT's for user only, then one where there were no CTT's at all (just default), and surprisingly the default seemed to play better. Unfortunately did not get an entire match to test the situational positioning by the CPU, so that still remains to be seen.

It's funny you should post this because I hesitated posting this video

https://vid.me/JHZV

I'm leading 1-0 with 10 minutes remaining and they are showing no effort at all, the reason I hesitated is because I was using default CTT (my 2nd controller wasn't available to input Krebstar's CTT's) but even so I would expect more effort

Other things of note with latest patch

- Players running in a straight line past the intended player they want to mark/tackle

- CPU more direct now, less build up/backward passes (I'm seeing an increase in 1-2 first time shots)

- Fullbacks are really tucking in now, sometimes touch tight with the CB's


I would also like to add this beauty scored pre-patch by the CPU - https://vid.me/UbYt

Sure, we can pick apart my defending. still, It beats the same old everyday goals they normally score

Nice goal, but you're right, it looks heavily disjointed. Like players are caught in two minds. I think with this update the 50 width is out of the picture because of what you said regarding the FBs being way too tight.

Do me a favor, and try another match without any CTT's at all. I'm curious to see if CTT's are actually what prevents the CPU from using their situational "Scripting" and decision making. That would be a tough pill to swallow, so I hope it's not the case.

One thing I have noticed since patch (not using ctt as waiting for transfer season to be over & input them then) is that cpu are playing a lot more cross field through balls than ever before, even if it just goes out of play.

One question I have to ask from OP is the defence pressure to min 55, are you guys doing this on every team or just ones in the league you play in & when you play in Europe just leave as is????


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Yes, I've seen the CPU switch the play a lot more, and also playing with more variety, even without adjusting CTT's. The 55 pressure was meant to compensate for the lower length at 40. In previous tests, the value of under 45 will result in players not quite "meeting" together, and result in more of the instant return to position, but with the compensation of 55 marking, this has helped allow the pitch to remain tighter and not have so much instant retreat.

With that said, these last two updates is testing the strength of the HLW as I am seeing a 58 height playing like a 68 height on occasion. This is primarily defensively positioned because it does not seem to affect the offensive positioning until the ball is deeper in the defensive third. Still, something to look at.

[Matt10]

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Here's the video I mentioned above.

1. Slider set "as is"
2. First part has CTT's on for user only, default for CPU.
3. Second part has CTT's off for both User and CPU.
4. Existing Career Mode, so no squad update.
5. World Class difficulty

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cynOLGlH84A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I felt the second part, without CTT's, played better, however it is not easy to judge the entire balance with that little of time. I will try to test some more, in particularly in the crucial match moments and times to see how the CPU responds.

I'd ask anyone to test to see if the CPU will use the "Park the Bus" or "All out Attack" mentalities relative to the match scenario. If you have to fabricate the scoreline to test this, please do so, as the sooner we know what we're up against, the better.

Thanks!

[Dbaja22]

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Here's the video I mentioned above.

1. Slider set "as is"
2. First part has CTT's on for user only, default for CPU.
3. Second part has CTT's off for both User and CPU.
4. Existing Career Mode, so no squad update.
5. World Class difficulty

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cynOLGlH84A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I felt the second part, without CTT's, played better, however it is not easy to judge the entire balance with that little of time. I will try to test some more, in particularly in the crucial match moments and times to see how the CPU responds.

I'd ask anyone to test to see if the CPU will use the "Park the Bus" or "All out Attack" mentalities relative to the match scenario. If you have to fabricate the scoreline to test this, please do so, as the sooner we know what we're up against, the better.

Thanks!

Went up against Leicester city in my Liverpool career mode using ccts . in the 42nd min Luis Hernandez makes a vicious tackle inside the box and gets sent off . I score to make it 1-0 from the penalty . around the 75th min Leicester goes all out trying to make it 1-1 . they would triple team me and force me to pass back and boot it out trying to defend for my life . It was just 1 game but seemed all good . only thing I'm really noticing is the cpu can't hit the target anymore . very poor . they actually should have won this game with the chances they had .

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[Introspectah]

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Went up against Leicester city in my Liverpool career mode using ccts . in the 42nd min Luis Hernandez makes a vicious tackle inside the box and gets sent off . I score to make it 1-0 from the penalty . around the 75th min Leicester goes all out trying to make it 1-1 . they would triple team me and force me to pass back and boot it out trying to defend for my life . It was just 1 game but seemed all good . only thing I'm really noticing is the cpu can't hit the target anymore . very poor . they actually should have won this game with the chances they had .

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Leicester isn't exactly the best example as they've come to make themselves known to at times act like a ravenous pack of wolves in offense.
Their record prior to facing you along with their position in the table also matters quite a lot when it comes to understanding what drove them to react in such a manner, while this might also clarify why they voluntarily refused the victory as, whenever the AI decides to score, it will definitily do so, unless you defend legendarily, or just exceptionally well on any other level.

[andanesean]

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Getafe (AI) - Ovideo (2-2) 15 min WC CS slider. Game played with CTT DP at 55. Maybe a placebo game felt different, not bad but with problems...

Goal 1-1 45 min and 90+5 gift 2-2 Michu

I was behind 2-1 this image named (86 min 2-1 Getafe.) gives a good example of AI did not play Park the Bus (6 player of midfield).

And the second image is that what you call ADD ?. I can see my right-back is out of position, but he ignore ball and the man and only focus on Getafe right winger ?. The flow of the game was ok, but the defense on both sides was poor. And clearly had a sense of 2-2 goal was a gift. Shot strength seems at times nasty, as if you shoot with torpedoes !. Rematch without CTT little later.

[andanesean]

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Leicester isn't exactly the best example as they've come to make themselves known to at times act like a ravenous pack of wolves in offense.
Their record prior to facing you along with their position in the table also matters quite a lot when it comes to understanding what drove them to react in such a manner, while this might also clarify why they voluntarily refused the victory as, whenever the AI decides to score, it will definitily do so, unless you defend legendarily, or just exceptionally well on any other level.

hey've come to make themselves known to at times act like a ravenous pack of wolves in offense.

This is your "wolves" in 2017 ... They scares no one :wink:.

[andanesean]

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Getafe (AI) - Ovideo (2-2) 15 min WC CS slider. Game played with CTT DP at 55. Maybe a placebo game felt different, not bad but with problems...

Goal 1-1 45 min and 90+5 gift 2-2 Michu

I was behind 2-1 this image named (86 min 2-1 Getafe.) gives a good example of AI did not play Park the Bus (6 player of midfield).

And the second image is that what you call ADD ?. I can see my right-back is out of position, but he ignore ball and the man and only focus on Getafe right winger ?. The flow of the game was ok, but the defense on both sides was poor. And clearly had a sense of 2-2 goal was a gift. Shot strength seems at times nasty, as if you shoot with torpedoes !. Rematch without CTT little later.

Later...

Getafe (AI) - Ovideo (1-2) 15 min WC CS slider. Game played with ST

Again, perhaps a placebo - It feels like the game has become easier?!. I do not think that AI is as aggressive as before the update. At the same time it is as if the game has become less rigid and heavy. Is the the game better with or without CTT / TT?, I think is too early to tell needs more testing. But one thing is certain after 85 min and behind 1-2, Getafe came with the whole team forward (all out of defense)

[Stimuli]

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Later...

Getafe (AI) - Ovideo (1-2) 15 min WC CS slider. Game played with ST

Again, perhaps a placebo - It feels like the game has become easier?!. I do not think that AI is as aggressive as before the update. At the same time it is as if the game has become less rigid and heavy. Is the the game better with or without CTT / TT?, I think is too early to tell needs more testing. But one thing is certain after 85 min and behind 1-2, Getafe came with the whole team forward (all out of defense)

It's not placebo, the defensive positioning is off and resulting in more opportunities to expose the CPU

That's not to say every game is now a walk over, I was on the receiving end of a 3-1 drubbing from Sassuolo a few days ago and their default team tactics are somewhat aggressive

Build Up Play
Speed 66(Balanced)
Dribbling 65(Normal)
Passing 34(Mixed)
Positioning Organised

Chance Creation
Passing 56(Normal)
Crossing 57(Normal)
Shooting 56(Normal)
Positioning Organised

Defence
Pressure 63(Medium)
Aggression 63(Press)
Team width 52(Normal)
Defender line Cover

btw Matt I've not had time to test another match without any CTT's, I'm hoping to run it tonight.

I'll stream it.

[Introspectah]

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This is your "wolves" in 2017 ... They scares no one :wink:.

So you have never experienced a dangerously offensive Leicester?

[andanesean]

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So you have never experienced a dangerously offensive Leicester?

Yes I have . They were the best and fastest counter attacking team in PL 2016. My point is where are they now ?. Number 16, lost tonight 1-0 to Burnley, not very ravenous wolves in them anymore. If you refer to Leicester from Fifa17, then you absolutely right. However, it has more to do with Fifa`s inability to be able to update the teams to their current levels. Another example was Chelsea in Fifa16.

[JHedges2]

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Thread is oddly quiet post patch. There seemed to be quite a bit of skepticism when it was released, but it remains quiet here...

[Introspectah]

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Thread is oddly quiet post patch. There seemed to be quite a bit of skepticism when it was released, but it remains quiet here...

It's too early for me to make a final judgement but for now the AI definitely seems to have lost its sting in offense. It's just being too damn easy to dominate and control the opposition, and whenever they break out on counter-attack they hand the ball back too easily, or blatantly miss one unmissable chance after another.

Not sure if this anomaly has been caused or greatly exacerbated due to the patch workings, as i simply haven't played enough games to form a respectable judgement.

If you refer to Leicester from Fifa17, then you absolutely right.

Well yes, obviously i was, since this thread after all revolves around discussing any game-related topics or phenomena.

However, it has more to do with Fifa`s inability to be able to update the teams to their current levels. Another example was Chelsea in Fifa16.

That's just way too much to expect of them, when they can't even get or be bothered to get the very basics of tactical gameplay right.