FIFA 17 OS Community Sliders

[brendinho58]

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[andanesean]

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Thank you for the detailed response Matt. I understand and agree why you wouldn't explain every little thing unless someone asks for it - it's just that you expressed very strong feelings about the recent update and was expecting more of an analysis rather than saying "here's a new set". I also think the lack of comparing your new set to the previous final set created more questions.




I would ask everyone who is interested and has the time to watch at least some if not the full of the videos I pasted below. (I had to split the two halves cause PS4 doesn't recognise my YouTube account as virified for some reason).


This is all on default, all manual, Legendary and 10 min halves (as I show in the video before the start).


Please note the following:
- I am playing against a weaker team, yet the CPU are marking really well.
- The CPU starts better than me while pressing low on the pitch.
- In the 18' notice how the CPU changes pressure and start pressing really high. That's when I start being a bit more dangerous with counterattacks (even thuogh my team is relatively stronger)
- Notice in the 22' when I charging on a counter and the second from last defender follows me perfectly to intercept with a tackle
- Also please notice how high my defensive line is even though I am playing on default. That's because I have set Pressure to 75 in CTT, which is why I keep saying the slider is important but can be altered significantly by the CTT.
- Notice width being quite narrow. I have deliberately left my team's CTT width to 50. Nevertheless, both teams are keeping their lines very well.
- This is well in a season and my team are coming from 5 consecutive wins, so the CPu are playing slightly better than you would expect from a team like Arouca.


1st half: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNpzj0DPK-A
2nd half: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGu73yYiTHw




What I'm trying to prove here is this:
- My experience with the game after the latest patch doesn't reflect the concerns that were raised here, as long as you play a bit into the season. Things always feel strange after a patch, then the game settles down (I don't know why)
- I have deliberately played on default to show that the issues aren't that big on default, so the previous final set plays even better! (The drilled pass is an issue for those who don't like it, but we had toned it down in the last set)
- I also wanted to show how CTT affects lines and why I keep saying that just having the sliders as a baseline is perfectly fine as long as inform people that CTT is also important and has to be taken into account.




PS. I personally feel that the previous final set (and any slight modifications to it) still work very well after the last update. Having said that, it's still very interesting to hear everyone's opinions.


PS2. It would be best not to call the developers names. We can't complain that they "never listen to us" and then call them names when we strongly disagree with a decision they've made. I agree that drilled passing doesn't work well at all in th game. But players in real life do drilled passing. We can suggest that default pass speed is toned down (which we can do with the sliders anyway) but more importantly suggest that drilled passing increases the chance for inaccurate passes and bad FT control without us having to alter the Pass Error and FT sliders. Developers tend to ignore aggresive feedback even if it makes perfect sense.

PS. I personally feel that the previous final set (and any slight modifications to it) still work very well after the last update. Having said that, it's still very interesting to hear everyone's opinions.

It does not for me
1. Defence - 1-0 in your video is good example of what should not happen, and it's legendary level !. For me it is not good enough defense, they did not react at the man, Runs through and scores without resistance. I am well aware that the defense was not perfect before the update, but...
2. The game has become softer, as if the team is on the dop and really is quite indifferent. It's easier to run around with the ball, and yes difficulty has been lowered. I play CM / WC level with Doncaster and has won eight games in a row !, I've never done before, so for me it feels much easier.

In the 18' notice how the CPU changes pressure and start pressing really high.

Do you mean after you have scored?. After a goal pushes AI always more, and if they scores against you, gives you more space in a small period of time, it's nothing new.

But you're right that CTT affect the game. But I would think you will have to discard things of, or is it beyond manageable when doing what, when ?. But your point with the game can be played on the default is then for me acceptable. It is also about the feeling of the game for each player. And not least placebo, Last day Krebstar wrote that he did not believe in updates in the middle of the season, for him it`s the placebo effect which comes into force - I disagree.

PS2. It would be best not to call the developers names. We can't complain that they "never listen to us" and then call them names when we strongly disagree with a decision they've made.

You can call them what you will, they are whistling thumping care about our opinions !. And believe otherwise is for me pure illusion of EA and their way of communicating, unfortunately. Drilled pass in Fifa has for me nothing with reel soccer to do!, there are perhaps a handful of clubs like to approximately can do what EA game does constantly.

Summa sumarium ....
But when I see your videos the game plays well in many areas on default, so why not play on default (or slightly modified) if you are satisfied ?. I just can not, as described above.

[ohvitser12]

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Pretty much had enough of this fifa.My players are like carrying 40kg extra weigth on their shoulders ,when they run, slower than AI. Ai always seems to outmsucle me no matter how strong my player is.They make perfect tackles most of the time.Im still winning most of the matches ,but the way AI tries to make me loose a game is unjoyable...

[adoptedscouse]

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Where i can get that last set we used before that current one from Matt.I think i liked it better also

It's still on OP mate, but I did this last night & posted a page back why I felt the new set is better, however if you find the set we had before patch works for you then use it. Like Matt has always said this is a community set & no one says what you have to use, you go for the one you get most enjoyment out of, that's why you bought the game to enjoy it [emoji2]



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[Atrish]

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Pretty much had enough of this fifa.My players are like carrying 40kg extra weigth on their shoulders ,when they run, slower than AI. Ai always seems to outmsucle me no matter how strong my player is.They make perfect tackles most of the time.Im still winning most of the matches ,but the way AI tries to make me loose a game is unjoyable...

Yea. The only thing good about Fifa 17 is the engine. It's the fifa where I score goals with more variety honestly. However outside of that, it's pretty terrible.
The AI doesn't do crap, and only scores goals on my mistakes. They are more bot than I can remember, having massive strength and blocking/tackling nearly perfectly. Yet just like you I'm winning most of the matches with a far more inferior team on the Premier League. It's just not enjoyable. I remember I hated Fifa 16 but after I started using the sliders it was amazing, it didn't have as much variety maybe but hell even losing felt fun! It felt deserved when you actually lost.
Now its back to the same old of AI being AI and winning pretty much due to cheats.
These sliders help a lot honestly..but even with them..I can't have near the fun I was having in 16. It's sad cause I feel like it had great potential, but honestly it's turning out to be a waste of my money..best I could had done was to stay at Fifa 16 with those great final sliders by Matt and the rest..

[Matt10]

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Sorry for the terrible audio, I forgot I had messed around with the mic gain on my blue yeti, and recorded live - didn't have the energy to re-record.

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[Sarezar]

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It does not for me
1. Defence - 1-0 in your video is good example of what should not happen, and it's legendary level !. For me it is not good enough defense, they did not react at the man, Runs through and scores without resistance. I am well aware that the defense was not perfect before the update, but...

You have not judged this right. In order for me to score that goal, I used a very quick combination of changing movement and momentum by using Sprint, L2 and R1 in quick successive movements. It was something extremely difficult and with some element of luck, and the player I used is 77 rated with very high ball control and dribbling. I can't score that goal everytime, it was very very difficult. If you see in the video, I tried dribbling past them SO many times and I failed every single time.


I understand the goal looks lilke their defense are not doing much, but I can assure you I wasn't just using the left stick.

Do you mean after you have scored?. After a goal pushes AI always more, and if they scores against you, gives you more space in a small period of time, it's nothing new.

No. They started pushing higher on the 18', which is before I scored. It is very obvious in the video.

But when I see your videos the game plays well in many areas on default, so why not play on default (or slightly modified) if you are satisfied ?. I just can not, as described above.

As I said, I am still happy with how the game plays. And I waited a considerable amount of time after the last update before I declared this. Just after the update, I only asked people some questions to understand what they were seeing as different. I have played many seasons in various different sets. I am not suggesting people play on default. I am not even suggesting people to use the previous set. I am only expressing my personal opinion and preference.


Most people anyway use a set and then make slight modifications.




PS. If you are finding the game easier after the update it could be the momentum your team has in your current season. In every season, there are periods during which the game is easier and periods during which it's very hard. It could be a coincidence. If it's not a coincidence, then you can of course adjust a few things and even use Matt's newest set if it fixes the problems you are having.

[JHedges2]

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Far too many of my games are ending in my favor, 1-0.

I feel I'm getting good variety of goals, and competition (thanks Kreb CTT), but it is RARE that the CPU scores on me.

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[andanesean]

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You have not judged this right. In order for me to score that goal, I used a very quick combination of changing movement and momentum by using Sprint, L2 and R1 in quick successive movements. It was something extremely difficult and with some element of luck, and the player I used is 77 rated with very high ball control and dribbling. I can't score that goal everytime, it was very very difficult. If you see in the video, I tried dribbling past them SO many times and I failed every single time.


I understand the goal looks lilke their defense are not doing much, but I can assure you I wasn't just using the left stick.




No. They started pushing higher on the 18', which is before I scored. It is very obvious in the video.






As I said, I am still happy with how the game plays. And I waited a considerable amount of time after the last update before I declared this. Just after the update, I only asked people some questions to understand what they were seeing as different. I have played many seasons in various different sets. I am not suggesting people play on default. I am not even suggesting people to use the previous set. I am only expressing my personal opinion and preference.


Most people anyway use a set and then make slight modifications.




PS. If you are finding the game easier after the update it could be the momentum your team has in your current season. In every season, there are periods during which the game is easier and periods during which it's very hard. It could be a coincidence. If it's not a coincidence, then you can of course adjust a few things and even use Matt's newest set if it fixes the problems you are having.

t's just you - always ready to help . Thanks for the advice, but I'm not unhappy with my CM (knows all about momentum), I know some tricks that can make the game harder if AI makes it too easy. Ok, you cheated AI - great play, but it does not change the positioning and reaction ability in the game has become worse, or rather easy to break down not least AI`s defense. I understand well that you are not advocating default settings and only discuss it.
Ps. Forgot to add that I accept the 8 wins in a row because I was Doncaster. They are heading straight back to league 1.

[Introspectah]

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Far too many of my games are ending in my favor, 1-0.

I feel I'm getting good variety of goals, and competition (thanks Kreb CTT), but it is RARE that the CPU scores on me.

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Same for me.

[Introspectah]

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I know some tricks that can make the game harder if AI makes it too easy..

What sort of tricks?

[andanesean]

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What sort of tricks?

Nothing special or "magic" Besides Gonias home and away settings done little more extreme conducted in 15 or 20 minutes of matches. I just lower my values 2 + 3 points for acceleration until AI makes their goals. Other times I do it only for a Half or the last 10 minutes of the match It works almost always. I did it to prevent Doncaster won 9 consecutive time, and to get out of momentum and ensure that they lost two times in a row. It's pretty pathetic, but it helps to get back to "realism" level, Doncaster is excellent but they do not win nine games in a row.

[Dbaja22]

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The last 2 days I've had no school or work , so I've been playing fifa constantly. And I have to say it really is easy . The cpu just isn't threatening at all . Pretty much all my games end 1-0 0-0 or 0-1 . it's a miracle if they have more than 5 shots in a game . they average about 3. Pathetic . I even raised the pass speed with no better results . so I went back to the pre patch set and they are much better attacking wise , but something just doesn't feel right there . Iunno , I'm just not enjoying this game at all now . and this is literally the only game I play. This suckssssssssssssssssss

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[ohvitser12]

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Kind of feeling the same.Is there anything significant you need to change if you play 10 minutes or less? I will never start to play 15 minute halves ,unless there will be a Fifa game which amazes me even after 3-4 months playing time.

[Panbot3000]

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I've lowered user marking to 50, acceleration is 49/49 or 48/49 for away games and cpu pass accuracy is 59. I also reduced the first touch Error to 40. I don't think all these changes are necessary for everyone though. My width is also at 50 but that's just personal preference.