2012 AI Tactics and Settings

[Bahnzo]

After playing some games using MrGameTights's option file, I thought we could discuss how to make the AI play a little (or a lot?) better.

A couple things I've noticed just from looking at the EPL teams. Most teams first tactics are set to "Long Ball" or "Quick Counter" including ones that shouldn't be, like ManU. So I guess the first thing is to understand which of the 4 Preset Tactics the CPU uses and when they use them? For instance, do they use the first Preset at the start of the game, or does it change based on Home/Away or being a stronger/weaker team?

Second, I've noticed the "Standard" tactic seems like it can be changed for each individual team. So each team can have it's own personalized tactic without having to share (ala FIFA, there isn't a CTT limit). So if we can understand when the CPU uses tactics, we can assign individualized ones to each team to help get them playing like they do in real life.

All I've personally looked at so far was changing ManU's tactics from the default "Long Ball" to Standard, Possession, Quick Counter, and All-Out Attack. I played against them using Spurs, with ManU being the away team, and they came out playing Quick Counter it seemed. Everything was a quick, long pass upfield to a striker or a wing and had very little build-up play.

I think if we can get a better understanding of how the CPU works, we can really tailor this game to each team.

[RoyceDa59]

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Great post! I plan on working some teams as soon as I get the game, I addressed some of the tactics while playing the demo 2 and I was able to get Inter, Bayern, and Tottenham to play pretty close to what they do in real life. Hopefully I get the game the tomorrow.

[ezio]

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I think the other thing you need to look at is the other settings with the pre-set stuff. What I mean is Barca is set to posession and so is Roma I think as an example but the other settings like player switching etc. seem to change the way both teams play IMO.

[Bahnzo]

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I think the other thing you need to look at is the other settings with the pre-set stuff. What I mean is Barca is set to posession and so is Roma I think as an example but the other settings like player switching etc. seem to change the way both teams play IMO.

All that is important, stuff like how deep the defensive line is set, etc.

But what I think is top of the list, is how does the AI use the 4 preset tactics? I remember last year they had a bunch of conditions you could use, like ahead in the 60th min, etc. but I don't see that anymore. So the #1 preset for Barca might be Possession, but does that mean it's always used? I'd assume not, but how/when does the AI determine which preset to use?

[GoBlue81188]

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Will definitely be tuning into this thread.

I was wondering where that tactics screen went that let you choose different tactics based on situation/ time. That was incredibly useful last year.

[RoyceDa59]

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All that is important, stuff like how deep the defensive line is set, etc.

But what I think is top of the list, is how does the AI use the 4 preset tactics? I remember last year they had a bunch of conditions you could use, like ahead in the 60th min, etc. but I don't see that anymore. So the #1 preset for Barca might be Possession, but does that mean it's always used? I'd assume not, but how/when does the AI determine which preset to use?

I thought the pictures of the manager on the bottom of the formation screen represented different conditions, I was going according to that. If you look at the different body languages it kind of seemed like that to me. What does it say in the manual?

[ezio]

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I thought the pictures of the manager on the bottom of the formation screen represented different conditions, I was going according to that. If you look at the different body languages it kind of seemed like that to me. What does it say in the manual?

Manual? Who reads the manual

[ezio]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

Ok here goes:

Devise your set of preset tactics. You can create up to 4 Preset tactics and 1 is triggered at all times during a match, to create Preset tacttics, you must first decide on aformation and then adjust the indivual options.

But as Bahnzo said the ones they had last year for what do at certain times in the match are gone so we need to try and figured out if the CPU uses Preset 1 at the start etc.

[EvanRG]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

Ok here goes:

Devise your set of preset tactics. You can create up to 4 Preset tactics and 1 is triggered at all times during a match, to create Preset tacttics, you must first decide on aformation and then adjust the indivual options.

But as Bahnzo said the ones they had last year for what do at certain times in the match are gone so we need to try and figured out if the CPU uses Preset 1 at the start etc.

Are you selecting the manual settings or the simple. I'm away from the game but I seem to remember it asking what type of control you wanted to have over the game plan.

[LingeringRegime]

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I thought that the preset tactics were just preset so you could use them as you see fit throughout the game?

When I hit the select button with the circle button I can cycle through the preset tactics on the fly. I don't think you can control when the CPU will use those tactics but, you can control what the four tactics are. If that makes any sense.

By the way, what are some good tactics to use with the 4-3-3? I am using Standard, Quick Counter, Possision, and switching over to 4-2-3-1/All Out Defense for my four preset tactics.

I am having so much fun tinkering around with formations/tactics in Master League Online (Coach Mode).

[Randiesel75]

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Deft,

good stuff, I am doing the same. I am loving how this years preset allow you to change formations on-the-fly, excellent feature. Curious for defense why you chose the 4-1-4-1 vs 4-5-1 ?

Also, since I am not using the D-pad to control players. I have this setup so I can toggle through via tapping D-pad right (up, down & left reserved for player runs through stategy setup).

[KG]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

I thought that the preset tactics were just preset so you could use them as you see fit throughout the game?

When I hit the select button with the circle button I can cycle through the preset tactics on the fly. I don't think you can control when the CPU will use those tactics but, you can control what the four tactics are. If that makes any sense.

By the way, what are some good tactics to use with the 4-3-3? I am using Standard, Quick Counter, Possision, and switching over to 4-1-4-1/All Out Defense for my four preset tactics.

I am having so much fun tinkering around with formations/tactics in Master League Online (Coach Mode).

With a 4-3-3 I think you should be playing quick counter. You're going to be outmanned in the midfield which means possession should be in the favor for the other team but with 3 attacking players you can catch the defense with numbers when you push forward.

[LingeringRegime]

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With a 4-3-3 I think you should be playing quick counter. You're going to be outmanned in the midfield which means possession should be in the favor for the other team but with 3 attacking players you can catch the defense with numbers when you push forward.

Thanks man. I really don't know much about the sport (never played it irl) so that is very helpful.

Deft,

good stuff, I am doing the same. I am loving how this years preset allow you to change formations on-the-fly, excellent feature. Curious for defense why you chose the 4-1-4-1 vs 4-5-1 ?

Also, since I am not using the D-pad to control players. I have this setup so I can toggle through via tapping D-pad right (up, down & left reserved for player runs through stategy setup).

I read here http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/skil...cs/a/4-3-3.htm that 4-3-3 wasn't good if you plan on playing defensively. It suggested playing 4-1-4-1 when you needed to play defense, but that formation isn't in the game so I went with 4-2-3-1.

I randomly chose 4-3-3 and intend to build my MLO team around that philosophy. So, I am curious of what type of players play best in that formation. Seems I will have to play 4-2-3-1 until I make enough cash to sign some bigger names.

[RoyceDa59]

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4-3-3 formation you can really mold you own type of style with the players you pick but you should always aim for these certain type of players: A maestro in the middle of the pitch, some on who can pass, agile, or be able to bring the team forward with his dribbling skills or great movement, think of plays like David Silva, Zidane, Xavi or Iniesta. You want skillful and/or speedy wingers this will will help support the counter attack. And you want to look for a solid Defensive Midfielder to cover ground at the back with decent passing and great stamina.

Now I personally feel with the lone striker you can go various ways. You can go with a speedy striker , with great technique you will look to get him the ball on short passes and get him into space so he can finish those killer passes. Or you can go with a tall striker with good mobility who you will want to play the long ball to every now and then. The choice is really yours and you have a fun formation to work with at your hands if you get it right.

[LingeringRegime]

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Good stuff RoyceDa59. I will definitely be on the lookout for those types of players.

I kind of like the lone striker formation, because most people try to attack all the time. Got several wins last night playing in that formation. It was funny because the other team was filled with great players, and I had Ordaz and company.

I might have to go with Ivodovic. He was my boy last year.

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I just hope that I don't get charged with any more disconnects.

Had two in a row last night after getting about 8 games in with no issues. If I get charged with another I won't be able to play in any competitions.