2012 AI Tactics and Settings

[spit_bubble]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

Where did you find that info at, I have been looking all over for it...

When you go to "Game Plan" and select the top option "Leave to Manager" it will show you the set up for the four slots, and they are indeed: 1. Default 2. Defensive 3. Balanced 4. Offensive

Thing is, I'm almost certain the AI will only use the first slot. That's not to say the AI won't make changes, but rather that the AI will only make changes within the first slot. I'm pretty sure the other three are just there for the user.

I played a game where the AI had control of my manager, and I went down late so the AI made a sub and changed the formation. When I checked the pause menu it showed those changes in the first slot.

Another game I played I let the AI control the subs, but I controlled the formations, and when a sub was made it reverted to the first slot during the game (I was using slot 3 at the time).

Another test I did was to change the tactic within the first slot to "Possession" at the match set up screen. Then I backed out, went back in and selected "Leave to Manager" to see how the AI would handle it, and the AI switched the tactic in the first slot to "Quick Counter".

And yet another reason I think the AI only uses the first slot is because when you use "Leave to Manager" slots 2-4 won't have an assigned tactic and instead will use the generic "Standard" one. And if you look at the formations for those slots they will be sort of strange as well.

So like I say, I'm pretty sure the AI only uses the first slot, and makes all changes within that slot. While slots 2-4 are there for the user, to swap on the fly without having to make a bunch of changes in the pause menu during a game.

I'm 98% sure of all this. And it makes sense if you think about it.

[spit_bubble]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

^ Adding to this, I'm not so sure the AI will change your tactics for you during a game, even if you leave everything to the manager. I think you still have to take control of that if you want or need a change.

I played a few games with everything left to the manager and the tactics stayed on slot one even though it was pretty clear it would have been better to use another tactic.

So I think if you want to have the AI control your manager it's best to select "Choose Manually" at the pre-game set up, then choose to leave the assist on. This way all the slots will keep the proper formation rather than changing into the strange ones you see the AI come up with.

Kind of hard to explain, you'll have to just check it out to see what I'm talking about. One thing's for sure it's a lot more complicated than it has to be. I swear the way some games are designed Sloppy as *expletive*.

[frank70]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

I'm tweaking around with tactical/slider settings. Not quite satisfied with the results so far. Maybe i will post my sliders/formations in a few days.

One question/observation: On free kicks from further away (not direct shots) there are not enough defensive players in the box. Only man against man - one on one. In real matches the defensive team is crowding the box with up to 7/8 players to prevent a goal. Konami should patch this. It's not realistic in my opinion.

[RoyceDa59]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

I'm tweaking around with tactical/slider settings. Not quite satisfied with the results so far. Maybe i will post my sliders/formations in a few days.

One question/observation: On free kicks from further away (not direct shots) there are not enough defensive players in the box. Only man against man - one on one. In real matches the defensive team is crowding the box with up to 7/8 players to prevent a goal. Konami should patch this. It's not realistic in my opinion.

I have only noticed it happening late in the match where defenders will crowd the box on indirect free kicks you can always bring more defenders back to defend manually.

[frank70]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

That's true. But it isn't "fair" when i can do it but the cpu cannot.

It's better with corners. Not enough defenders in the box but generally one or two more defenders than attackers.

[GoBlue81188]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

That's true. But it isn't "fair" when i can do it but the cpu cannot.

It's better with corners. Not enough defenders in the box but generally one or two more defenders than attackers.

I'd have to agree with this. I'm in ManU ML and one of my best sources of goals in my CB's on free kicks from distance. You'd think Vidic would bring the attention of more than one defender.

[aloncho11]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

Thanks man. I really don't know much about the sport (never played it irl) so that is very helpful.



I read here http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/skil...cs/a/4-3-3.htm that 4-3-3 wasn't good if you plan on playing defensively. It suggested playing 4-1-4-1 when you needed to play defense, but that formation isn't in the game so I went with 4-2-3-1.

I randomly chose 4-3-3 and intend to build my MLO team around that philosophy. So, I am curious of what type of players play best in that formation. Seems I will have to play 4-2-3-1 until I make enough cash to sign some bigger names.

No problem but remember that you can manually drag players and create your own formation so technically you can create the 4-2-3-1.

Of course, that is the beauty of this game. the 4-1-4-1 formation can also be created, you can play a 3-6-1, 2-4-4 or a 4-2-4, it's all up to our imagination. The only formation that cannot be created is 4-6-0 I think

[Bahnzo]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

DLC is out, and makes no changes to tactics/formations. If you edited anything in there, it should still be there.

The problem is the DLC also made no changes to tactics/formations....so all the badly assigned garbage is still there. Lots of editing is going to be needed to make teams play as they should....

[RoyceDa59]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

DLC is out, and makes no changes to tactics/formations. If you edited anything in there, it should still be there.

The problem is the DLC also made no changes to tactics/formations....so all the badly assigned garbage is still there. Lots of editing is going to be needed to make teams play as they should....

Good stuff I am glad it doesn't change any formations because I did a lot of formation changes.

[GoBlue81188]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

DLC is out, and makes no changes to tactics/formations. If you edited anything in there, it should still be there.

The problem is the DLC also made no changes to tactics/formations....so all the badly assigned garbage is still there. Lots of editing is going to be needed to make teams play as they should....

Would you happen to have a reference to teams currents formations/ tactics? I really only follow the EPL.

[aloncho11]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

If you have the PC version. The PES Edit Patch takes care of it

[Beetlebum]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

I am copying my post on evo-web:

Hi all,
sorry for removing the list, but I had to make some changes to the COMPACTIVINESS stats (plus I had to do all the Champions league teams).
Now my list is complete, I created tactics for all the PL, League 1, Serie A, Liga, Bundesliga and Champions league teams using that statistical gem that is whoscored.com
To create the list I used and mixed several stats, such as short passes per game, long balls per game, completion % etc., comparing them between all the european teams.
For this reason I only did those 5 league + Champions league: no stats are available for Eredivisie and other leagues.
Also, all of the parameters are the results of statistical analysis and not subjective evaluations of teams, so dont start asking "why Barca only has 15 in ..., it should be at least 18".
That being said, enjoy:

PLAYER SUPPORT
0 Barcelona
0 Real Madrid
0 Bayern Munich
0 Manchester City
0 Borussia Dortmund
1 Tottenham
1 Manchester United
1 Borussia M.Gladbach
1 Juventus
1 AC Milan
2 Schalke 04
2 Lazio
2 Roma
2 Werder Bremen
2 Montpellier
3 Chelsea
3 Udinese
3 Paris Saint Germain
3 Napoli
3 Atletico Madrid
4 Valencia
4 Bayer Leverkusen
4 Arsenal
4 Levante
4 Liverpool
5 VfB Stuttgart
5 Sevilla
5 Malaga
5 Fiorentina
5 Rennes
6 Rayo Vallecano
6 Marseille
6 Genoa
6 Hertha Berlin
6 Hoffenheim
7 Villarreal
7 Siena
7 Athletic Bilbao
7 Fulham
7 Betis
8 Lille
8 Newcastle
8 Lyon
8 Swansea
8 Lorient
9 Inter
9 Real Sociedad
9 Sunderland
9 Espanyol
9 Palermo
10 Catania
10 Atalanta
10 Auxerre
10 Toulouse
10 Mainz 05
11 Hamburger SV
11 Valenciennes
11 Parma
11 Aston Villa
11 Brest
12 Wolfsburg
12 Queens Park Rangers
12 Cagliari
12 Granada
12 Gijon
13 Caen
13 Chievo
13 Osasuna
13 Bolton
13 Nancy
14 Hannover 96
14 FC Cologne
14 Lecce
14 Norwich
14 Wolverhampton
15 Freiburg
15 Everton
15 Getafe
15 Saint Etienne
15 Bologna
16 Mallorca
16 West Bromwich
16 Novara
16 Evian Thonon Gaillar
16 Bordeaux
17 Nice
17 Kaiserslautern
17 Cesena
17 Zaragoza
17 Santander
18 Nurnberg
18 Sochaux
18 Wigan
18 Blackburn
18 Augsburg
19 Stoke
19 Dijon
19 Ajaccio

SUPPORT RANGE
0 Barcelona
0 Bayern Munich
0 Real Madrid
0 Arsenal
0 Manchester City
1 Chelsea
1 AC Milan
1 Juventus
1 Swansea
1 Roma
2 Borussia M.Gladbach
2 Manchester United
2 Atletico Madrid
2 Borussia Dortmund
2 Betis
3 Lille
3 Tottenham
3 Valencia
3 Paris Saint Germain
3 Athletic Bilbao
4 Liverpool
4 Bayer Leverkusen
4 Lorient
4 Espanyol
4 Malaga
5 Fulham
5 Villarreal
5 Inter
5 Fiorentina
5 Werder Bremen
6 Lazio
6 Marseille
6 Genoa
6 Udinese
6 Napoli
7 Toulouse
7 Lyon
7 Cagliari
7 Montpellier
7 Cesena
8 Sevilla
8 Freiburg
8 West Bromwich
8 Hoffenheim
8 VfB Stuttgart
9 Wigan
9 Hannover 96
9 Atalanta
9 Catania
9 Valenciennes
10 Hamburger SV
10 Real Sociedad
10 Rennes
10 Hertha Berlin
10 Rayo Vallecano
11 Schalke 04
11 Kaiserslautern
11 Wolverhampton
11 Everton
11 Bologna
12 Saint Etienne
12 Novara
12 Mainz 05
12 Bolton
12 Siena
13 Lecce
13 FC Cologne
13 Sunderland
13 Palermo
13 Evian Thonon Gaillar
14 Bordeaux
14 Brest
14 Getafe
14 Queens Park Rangers
14 Newcastle
15 Parma
15 Nice
15 Nurnberg
15 Auxerre
15 Norwich
16 Wolfsburg
16 Caen
16 Granada
16 Gijon
16 Mallorca
17 Chievo
17 Zaragoza
17 Nancy
17 Ajaccio
17 Osasuna
18 Augsburg
18 Sochaux
18 Aston Villa
18 Blackburn
18 Levante
19 Santander
19 Stoke
19 Dijon

POSITION SWITCH
0 Barcelona
0 Bayern Munich
0 Juventus
0 Marseille
0 Valenciennes
1 Lille
1 Rayo Vallecano
1 Malaga
1 Real Madrid
1 Chelsea
2 Valencia
2 Toulouse
2 Lorient
2 Siena
2 Cagliari
3 Borussia M.Gladbach
3 Inter
3 Bordeaux
3 Nurnberg
3 Atletico Madrid
4 Napoli
4 Everton
4 Saint Etienne
4 Arsenal
4 Manchester City
5 Villarreal
5 Rennes
5 Brest
5 Borussia Dortmund
5 Hoffenheim
6 Auxerre
6 Lyon
6 Werder Bremen
6 Paris Saint Germain
6 Nice
7 Cesena
7 Espanyol
7 Catania
7 Lazio
7 AC Milan
8 Fiorentina
8 Betis
8 Stoke
8 Chievo
8 Liverpool
9 Sevilla
9 Kaiserslautern
9 Mallorca
9 Athletic Bilbao
9 Atalanta
10 Mainz 05
10 Schalke 04
10 Montpellier
10 Getafe
10 Parma
11 Nancy
11 Wolfsburg
11 Hannover 96
11 Real Sociedad
11 Gijon
12 Fulham
12 Osasuna
12 West Bromwich
12 Novara
12 Sochaux
13 Newcastle
13 Levante
13 Sunderland
13 Roma
13 Evian Thonon Gaillar
14 Bayer Leverkusen
14 Tottenham
14 Lecce
14 Hertha Berlin
14 Wigan
15 Freiburg
15 Caen
15 Augsburg
15 Blackburn
15 VfB Stuttgart
16 Aston Villa
16 Bologna
16 Queens Park Rangers
16 Udinese
16 Genoa
17 Hamburger SV
17 Palermo
17 Dijon
17 FC Cologne
17 Swansea
18 Wolverhampton
18 Norwich
18 Manchester United
18 Santander
18 Zaragoza
19 Bolton
19 Granada
19 Ajaccio

ATTACKING STYLE
1 Saint Etienne
3 Hannover 96
4 Real Sociedad
4 Levante
4 FC Cologne
4 Nurnberg
4 Lyon
4 Sochaux
4 Valenciennes
5 Kaiserslautern
5 Marseille
5 Valencia
5 Granada
5 Espanyol
5 Getafe
5 Zaragoza
5 Sevilla
5 Gijon
5 Liverpool
5 Everton
5 Werder Bremen
5 Wolfsburg
6 Atletico Madrid
6 Athletic Bilbao
6 Osasuna
6 Wolverhampton
6 Swansea
6 Hoffenheim
6 Schalke 04
6 Evian Thonon Gaillar
6 Paris Saint Germain
6 Lille
6 Toulouse
6 Brest
7 Stoke
7 Novara
7 Atalanta
7 Borussia M.Gladbach
7 Villarreal
7 Santander
7 Mainz 05
7 VfB Stuttgart
7 Caen
7 Dijon
7 Rayo Vallecano
7 Malaga
7 Aston Villa
7 Sunderland
8 Betis
8 Chelsea
8 Tottenham
8 Norwich
8 Cagliari
8 Udinese
8 Parma
8 Bayern Munich
8 Hamburger SV
8 Augsburg
8 Hertha Berlin
8 Lorient
9 Real Madrid
9 Wigan
9 Manchester City
9 Newcastle
9 Genoa
9 Fiorentina
9 Lecce
9 Freiburg
9 Auxerre
9 Rennes
10 Mallorca
10 Manchester United
10 Bolton
10 Lazio
10 Bordeaux
10 Nancy
10 Ajaccio
11 Siena
11 Catania
11 Bologna
11 Napoli
11 Borussia Dortmund
11 Montpellier
11 Nice
11 Queens Park Rangers
12 Barcelona
12 West Bromwich
12 AC Milan
12 Cesena
12 Chievo
13 Blackburn
13 Palermo
13 Juventus
13 Bayer Leverkusen
14 Arsenal
15 Inter
16 Roma
17 Fulham

PRESSING
0 Wolverhampton
0 Sochaux
0 Lille
0 Manchester City
0 Swansea
1 Fulham
1 Stoke
1 Everton
1 Montpellier
1 Nice
2 West Bromwich
2 Lorient
2 Barcelona
2 Manchester United
2 Hannover 96
3 Lyon
3 Blackburn
3 Roma
3 Freiburg
3 Rennes
4 Nurnberg
4 Arsenal
4 Auxerre
4 Bordeaux
4 Evian Thonon Gaillar
5 Paris Saint Germain
5 Cesena
5 Atalanta
5 Valencia
5 Marseille
6 Chelsea
6 Inter
6 Bayer Leverkusen
6 Bolton
6 Bayern Munich
7 Sevilla
7 Aston Villa
7 Sunderland
7 Tottenham
7 Wigan
8 VfB Stuttgart
8 Saint Etienne
8 Real Madrid
8 Cagliari
8 Parma
9 AC Milan
9 Novara
9 Ajaccio
9 Queens Park Rangers
9 FC Cologne
10 Brest
10 Newcastle
10 Fiorentina
10 Hamburger SV
10 Liverpool
11 Norwich
11 Betis
11 Villarreal
11 Lecce
11 Nancy
12 Palermo
12 Dijon
12 Espanyol
12 Kaiserslautern
12 Granada
13 Valenciennes
13 Napoli
13 Lazio
13 Schalke 04
13 Bologna
14 Udinese
14 Genoa
14 Caen
14 Santander
14 Catania
15 Borussia M.Gladbach
15 Werder Bremen
15 Toulouse
15 Augsburg
15 Getafe
16 Osasuna
16 Siena
16 Atletico Madrid
16 Rayo Vallecano
16 Levante
17 Juventus
17 Malaga
17 Athletic Bilbao
17 Hoffenheim
17 Mallorca
18 Borussia Dortmund
18 Hertha Berlin
18 Wolfsburg
18 Gijon
18 Zaragoza
19 Real Sociedad
19 Mainz 05
19 Chievo

DEF LINE
3 Ajaccio
5 Granada
5 Blackburn
5 Evian Thonon Gaillar
6 Santander
6 Borussia M.Gladbach
6 Sochaux
6 Dijon
6 Brest
7 Levante
7 Aston Villa
7 Stoke
7 Nancy
8 Zaragoza
8 Getafe
8 Villarreal
8 Bolton
8 Lecce
8 Chievo
8 Kaiserslautern
8 Hertha Berlin
8 FC Cologne
8 Augsburg
8 Saint Etienne
9 Mallorca
9 Rayo Vallecano
9 Sevilla
9 Norwich
9 Swansea
9 Palermo
9 VfB Stuttgart
9 Hannover 96
10 Osasuna
10 Newcastle
10 Liverpool
10 Tottenham
10 Everton
10 Wolverhampton
10 Fulham
10 Udinese
10 Wolfsburg
10 Auxerre
10 Montpellier
10 Caen
11 Real Sociedad
11 Gijon
11 Sunderland
11 West Bromwich
11 Wigan
11 Cagliari
11 Genoa
11 Siena
11 Freiburg
11 Mainz 05
11 Hoffenheim
11 Toulouse
11 Nice
12 Athletic Bilbao
12 Valencia
12 Queens Park Rangers
12 Bologna
12 Fiorentina
12 Lazio
12 Parma
12 Cesena
12 Atalanta
12 Bayer Leverkusen
12 Hamburger SV
12 Nurnberg
12 Lyon
12 Valenciennes
13 Espanyol
13 Chelsea
13 Manchester United
13 Catania
13 Novara
13 Lorient
13 Paris Saint Germain
13 Rennes
14 Betis
14 Arsenal
15 Atletico Madrid
15 Malaga
15 Juventus
15 Napoli
15 Werder Bremen
15 Borussia Dortmund
15 Marseille
15 Lille
16 Manchester City
16 Inter
16 Schalke 04
16 Bordeaux
17 AC Milan
17 Bayern Munich
18 Real Madrid
19 Roma
20 Barcelona

COMPACTIVINESS
0 Rayo Vallecano
0 Mallorca
1 Gijon
1 Real Sociedad
2 Betis
2 Zaragoza
2 Villarreal
2 Athletic Bilbao
2 Osasuna
3 Levante
3 Getafe
3 Santander
3 Malaga
3 Schalke 04
4 Valencia
4 Espanyol
4 Sevilla
4 Atletico Madrid
4 Hertha Berlin
5 Borussia M.Gladbach
5 Siena
5 Werder Bremen
5 Toulouse
5 Nancy
6 VfB Stuttgart
6 Granada
6 Augsburg
6 Montpellier
6 Juventus
7 Bayer Leverkusen
7 Nurnberg
7 Hannover 96
7 Hamburger SV
7 Catania
8 FC Cologne
8 Genoa
8 Marseille
8 Bolton
8 Palermo
9 Parma
9 Kaiserslautern
9 Bayern Munich
9 Caen
9 Roma
10 Auxerre
10 Cesena
10 Freiburg
10 Novara
10 Wolfsburg
11 Paris Saint Germain
11 Chievo
11 Fiorentina
11 Mainz 05
11 Evian Thonon Gaillar
12 Blackburn
12 Arsenal
12 Napoli
12 Aston Villa
12 Lazio
13 Bologna
13 Atalanta
13 Fulham
13 Inter
13 Borussia Dortmund
14 Manchester United
14 Ajaccio
14 Chelsea
14 Everton
14 Tottenham
15 Saint Etienne
15 Rennes
15 Cagliari
15 Lyon
15 Real Madrid
16 West Bromwich
16 Newcastle
16 Swansea
16 Hoffenheim
16 Valenciennes
17 Lecce
17 Sunderland
17 AC Milan
17 Norwich
17 Udinese
18 Nice
18 Sochaux
18 Lille
18 Brest
18 Manchester City
19 Dijon
19 Bordeaux
19 Lorient
19 Queens Park Rangers
19 Barcelona
20 Stoke
20 Wigan
20 Wolverhampton
20 Liverpool


Champions league teams:

PLAYER SUPPORT
1 Ajax
3 Zenit Petersburg
5 Benfica
9 Basel
9 CSKA Moscow
10 Trabzonspor
15 APOEL Nicosia
16 Olympiakos
16 Shakhtar Donetsk
17 FC Porto
19 Genk
19 BATE Borisov
20 Otelul Galati
20 Viktoria Plzen
20 Dinamo Zagreb

SUPPORT RANGE
0 Ajax
2 Trabzonspor
4 Benfica
4 CSKA Moscow
5 FC Porto
5 Basel
6 Zenit Petersburg
7 Shakhtar Donetsk
10 Dinamo Zagreb
13 APOEL Nicosia
14 Olympiakos
17 Genk
18 Viktoria Plzen
18 BATE Borisov
18 Otelul Galati

POSITION SWITCH
1 FC Porto
2 Olympiakos
2 Zenit Petersburg
2 Benfica
7 Trabzonspor
8 Otelul Galati
10 Basel
13 Ajax
15 CSKA Moscow
18 Viktoria Plzen
19 Shakhtar Donetsk
19 Dinamo Zagreb
20 Genk
20 BATE Borisov
20 APOEL Nicosia

ATTACKING STYLE
2 Viktoria Plzen
3 APOEL Nicosia
4 Olympiakos
5 Benfica
7 Basel
7 Zenit Petersburg
9 Genk
9 Ajax
11 Trabzonspor
11 FC Porto
12 Dinamo Zagreb
12 Otelul Galati
12 CSKA Moscow
16 Shakhtar Donetsk
19 BATE Borisov

PRESSING
0 BATE Borisov
2 FC Porto
2 Benfica
3 APOEL Nicosia
4 Ajax
4 Viktoria Plzen
5 Otelul Galati
5 Dinamo Zagreb
6 Genk
8 Shakhtar Donetsk
10 Basel
11 Trabzonspor
12 Olympiakos
13 CSKA Moscow
17 Zenit Petersburg

DEF LINE
2 Viktoria Plzen
3 APOEL Nicosia
3 Dinamo Zagreb
5 Genk
5 BATE Borisov
6 Basel
7 Olympiakos
8 CSKA Moscow
10 Otelul Galati
11 Trabzonspor
11 Benfica
12 Shakhtar Donetsk
13 Ajax
18 Zenit Petersburg
19 FC Porto

COMPACTIVENESS
5 Otelul Galati
4 Viktoria Plzen
13 Zenit Petersburg
4 Trabzonspor
9 Ajax
20 Dinamo Zagreb
12 Benfica
5 Genk
20 APOEL Nicosia
9 BATE Borisov
4 FC Porto
7 CSKA Moscow
9 Shakhtar Donetsk
13 Olympiakos
16 Basel

[KG]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

Nice...

You might want to put that in a google spreadsheet. Maybe clubs as columns with the categories as rows?

Just a suggestion but thanks for the work!

[Krebstar]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

So if the team isn't listed under a category it's the default setting?

EDIT: Nevermind, I was looking at the CL teams. Going to give these a shot.

[Krebstar]

Re: 2012 AI Tactics and Settings

Forget that, as KG suggested above, Google spreadsheet it is.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...nVVbjgxa2pQZEE

12/5: EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A, Liga BBVA and Ligue 1 entered. The other/CL teams will be later today.

All full leagues now are on their own sheet which can be viewed by using the tabs at the bottom. All other clubs are on the 'Other' sheet. National teams also now have one sheet, in hopes those can be filled. Lastly, all teams in the game now have slots.

For everything in a printer friendly format, select the 'All' tab at the bottom.