PES 2017 Tactics

[RoyceDa59]

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A work around could be to make them both compact with positioning in the Out possession formation and wide with the instructions. Or the other way around.

Yeah this might be the best, I'll figure something out and post another update later tonight. Also I can confirm that Counter w/ Long Ball tactic with support range between 1-3 for Long Ball teams works pretty well on my side. A few factors that come into play are if you are using Wingers they must be set to at least WF when Out of Possession. This allows the CPU to keep the ball more when you lose the ball in their half and they will look to play long ground passes as well.

I would like a few more to test this to see if they notice a change as well. This works really nicely for small/or certain mid table teams who don't pass w/ high passing accuracy and keep very little possession but can still be a threat going forward.

[Gnemi]

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Yeah this might be the best, I'll figure something out and post another update later tonight. Also I can confirm that Counter w/ Long Ball tactic with support range between 1-3 for Long Ball teams works pretty well on my side. A few factors that come into play are if you are using Wingers they must be set to at least WF when Out of Possession. This allows the CPU to keep the ball more when you lose the ball in their half and they will look to play long ground passes as well.

I would like a few more to test this to see if they notice a change as well. This works really nicely for small/or certain mid table teams who don't pass w/ high passing accuracy and keep very little possession but can still be a threat going forward.

I'm glad you stumbled into this discovery because there is nothing more infuriating in PES 2017 than two middling teams that prefer long ball / counter attack taking turns hoofing it. The midfield end up caught in a torturous game of keepaway, like a bunch of dogs watching two humans throw a frisbee back and forth.

[papinho81]

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Can you explain what you guys are talking about? What is SMF?


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I think SMF stands fro side midfielder. I suggest you to read klashman post #331. His exchange with Tinker has pretty much everything that has been discussed.

[papinho81]

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Yeah this might be the best, I'll figure something out and post another update later tonight. Also I can confirm that Counter w/ Long Ball tactic with support range between 1-3 for Long Ball teams works pretty well on my side. A few factors that come into play are if you are using Wingers they must be set to at least WF when Out of Possession. This allows the CPU to keep the ball more when you lose the ball in their half and they will look to play long ground passes as well.

I would like a few more to test this to see if they notice a change as well. This works really nicely for small/or certain mid table teams who don't pass w/ high passing accuracy and keep very little possession but can still be a threat going forward.

The problem with WF winger in out possession formation is that they do not help defending. I think it is something demandhall pointed out right at the beginning. Could you check that with your formations?

[RoyceDa59]

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The problem with WF winger in out possession formation is that they do not help defending. I think it is something demandhall pointed out right at the beginning. Could you check that with your formations?

Excuse me on that I mean "In Possession" I need my morning tea lol. The wingers need to be a WF or SS depending on the player. Also WF wingers out of possesion work well for teams who high press if you have them switch to SMF or side midfielder (for Gnemi ) you will lose that. Also defence levels matter as well will have them drop back enough to defend.

[papinho81]

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Hi friends!

Here is a video with fluid formations and individual tactics for the 20 Ligue 1 teams.

I hope you will like them!

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[klashman69]

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hi, papino thank you for ligue 1 tactics, PES Universe will have All my tactics and if you wish all of yours included in its next V3 update.

I've been testing many of them out this week and i want tell you all, all the tactical work we do will be dedicated to one option file which will be continually updated!

PES Universe are going big and hard this year to bring to you the best football experience possible

[elprez98]

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hi, papino thank you for ligue 1 tactics, PES Universe will have All my tactics and if you wish all of yours included in its next V3 update.

I've been testing many of them out this week and i want tell you all, all the tactical work we do will be dedicated to one option file which will be continually updated!

PES Universe are going big and hard this year to bring to you the best football experience possible

Don't you guys know I have a ML already?

[papinho81]

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hi, papino thank you for ligue 1 tactics, PES Universe will have All my tactics and if you wish all of yours included in its next V3 update.

I've been testing many of them out this week and i want tell you all, all the tactical work we do will be dedicated to one option file which will be continually updated!

PES Universe are going big and hard this year to bring to you the best football experience possible

Your welcome!

It would be a great honor to have these tactics included in pesuniverse OF.
I am not personally using (yet?) pesuniverse OF, because they have been slow and also they only have 1024 kits for few leagues so far. I am currently using Erzo77 content exclusively but who knows...

[Gnemi]

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If you haven't already, you need to be using Klashman's tactics for Chelsea. They are far more accurate representations of Conte's current ideas.


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[papinho81]

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Klashman, two things stroke me a bout you EPL tactics:

- CMF and DMF are positioned most of the time upper in the "Out possession formation" than in the "In" one. I guess it is to have the midfield pressuring higher pitch.

- The CB have very often low positioning in the "IN" formation (ie: Arsenal, Liverpool). Is the idea behind that to allow them covering FBs?
I played few games with Liverpool using these tactics and I was a bit annoyed by the very deep positioning the CB have in the "On" formation. In transition (cpu getting the ball) my CB were really far from my midfield and worse, quite far from the cpu attackers. It is like cpu attackers had extra space to start their counter attack.

Could you explain a bit your reasoning with these two aspects of players positioning in your EPL tactics?

[RoyceDa59]

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Klashman, two things stroke me a bout you EPL tactics:

- CMF and DMF are positioned most of the time upper in the "Out possession formation" than in the "In" one. I guess it is to have the midfield pressuring higher pitch.

- The CB have very often low positioning in the "ON" formation (ie: Arsenal, Liverpool). Is the idea behind that to allow them covering FBs?
I played few games with Liverpool using these tactics and I was a bit annoyed by the very deep positioning the CB have in the "On" formation. In transition (cpu getting the ball) my CB were really far from my midfield and worse, quite far from the cpu attackers. It is like cpu attackers had extra space to start their counter attack.

Could you explain a bit your reasoning with these two aspects of players positioning in your EPL tactics?

I think there are two/three things that cause it at least while I am testing. First is the Attacking FB's tactic and shifting SB to SMF in the "In Possession" formation. Also the attack/defence levels cause this as well.

[klashman69]

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Klashman, two things stroke me a bout you EPL tactics:

- CMF and DMF are positioned most of the time upper in the "Out possession formation" than in the "In" one. I guess it is to have the midfield pressuring higher pitch.

Yes, your right, this is for the pressure transition. If you leave them deep they invite too much space

- The CB have very often low positioning in the "IN" formation (ie: Arsenal, Liverpool). Is the idea behind that to allow them covering FBs?
I played few games with Liverpool using these tactics and I was a bit annoyed by the very deep positioning the CB have in the "On" formation. In transition (cpu getting the ball) my CB were really far from my midfield and worse, quite far from the cpu attackers. It is like cpu attackers had extra space to start their counter attack.

Could you explain a bit your reasoning with these two aspects of players positioning in your EPL tactics?

Sort of, when it comes to CB positioning for Liverpool, they have the gergenpress but Klopp demands his midfielders and attackers to manifest this, Liverpool's backline is rather stable, they don't press high up the pitch like Arsenal are doing now.

The key to the defence off the ball really is dependent mostly on How high you set the defensive line slider.

[papinho81]

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Great thread.
I'm mainly interested in Serie A and B tactics,and trying to get the game less frantic at times.
Any good tips?
I'm almost done with my second ML season,and thinking about starting all over again,and edit all the teams in those two leagues.
I have a great tactic for the team that I play,it's done by Kenpachi over at Evo web.
So you guys might want to have a look over there.
Saw the spreadsheet on page one,but are more interested in getting the teams to play more midfield and less end to end.
All help appreciated

I could be wrong, but I think if you want to have less end to end games, you need to have a good number of players that actually contribute to the defending phases of the game.

What I mean is that LWF/RWF (let's call them SWF ), SS and CF barely contribute to defend in their own half. I would not let more than two players with one of these positions in the "Out possession" formation. You want at least 8 players actively defending. Otherwise you (or the cpu) end up with a midfield with 3 players (if you a line of 4 in defense) and its quite easy to bypass the midfield using the width of the pitch. Another downside of having too many of these offensive positions in the "Out" formation is, these players are already in position to attack (at the midfield line) almost out numbering the defense of the attacking team. As soon as the ball is intercepted they offer solutions for long balls, through balls, any kind of rapid offensive projections (Remember Boca in the demo?). While the user might not be able to exploit these efficiently, the cpu lethally uses these solutions which ends in end to end game style.
So if you have one CF and two SWF in your "In" formation, I recommend at least changing one of the two SWF in a SMF (Side midfielder) in your "Out" formation (these is of course better if the cpu formations have these too).

Also, I think it is important to not move too down pitch the midfielders and the defensive line in the "Out" formation. Two or three clicks is in general the maximum I go (Klashman even sometimes move them a bit upper). You want them to defend, but also to be there to press the opponent when the ball is lost.

If you move them too down pitch, I think you will get a proper implementation of the all out defense approach. The all out defense instruction is "broken", do not use it. Set all the teams with the
front line pressure instruction.

Have you tried the Ligue1 tactics I posted (video)? I think many of the tactics I imputed for L1 teams results in midfield play occurring way more than with default tactics.

Of course these are only my short terms observations as a PES current gen newbie. So others more experienced players might provide sharper advices.

[elprez98]

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Can you play online after editing without losing all of your edits?