***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

[Perceptor]

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We were the future of football in 2007-08 when we had a great core to build around ie. Cesc, a young RVP, Hleb, a healthy Rosicky etc. Unfortunately, we didn't add the missing pieces to make them a class side and we've spent the last 3 years flattering to deceive. How many times have we said, "Get a central defender Wenger. Get a keeper Wenger. Get some quality depth Wenger." And we got..........nada

[Krebstar]

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We were the future of football in 2007-08 when we had a great core to build around ie. Cesc, a young RVP, Hleb, a healthy Rosicky etc. Unfortunately, we didn't add the missing pieces to make them a class side and we've spent the last 3 years flattering to deceive. How many times have we said, "Get a central defender Wenger. Get a keeper Wenger. Get some quality depth Wenger." And we got..........nada

Then when we add a few of those, we lose what we had before and we're back to where we started.

[ZM Punk]

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We were the future of football in 2007-08 when we had a great core to build around ie. Cesc, a young RVP, Hleb, a healthy Rosicky etc. Unfortunately, we didn't add the missing pieces to make them a class side and we've spent the last 3 years flattering to deceive. How many times have we said, "Get a central defender Wenger. Get a keeper Wenger. Get some quality depth Wenger." And we got..........nada

You can't be the future when were basically just a WalMart for bigger clubs.

[Krebstar]

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You can't be the future when were basically just a WalMart for bigger clubs.

I like to think of us as more of a Target.

[ImTellinTim]

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LOL, I thought the same exact thing, Kreb. Wal-Mart would be Everton.

[rsnomar05]

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What does everyone think of the 4-4-2 we used in the CC? He says it's not something he plans on utilizing in the future, and scoring hasn't been our problem as of late (it was defense in the last match), so I'm fine with our current formation for now, but if things don't shape up soon, I would not be against a tactics change.

[RoyceDa59]

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What does everyone think of the 4-4-2 we used in the CC? He says it's not something he plans on utilizing in the future, and scoring hasn't been our problem as of late (it was defense in the last match), so I'm fine with our current formation for now, but if things don't shape up soon, I would not be against a tactics change.

I like the 4-4-2 personally I felt Arsenal should have never changed from it. I know it worked well with Hleb, Flamini, Eduardo and Adebayor but he should have kept it instead of switching to the High D-line 4-3-3 Barca like formation. It took Arsenal so long to get use to that formation and just when they do Cesc and Nasri are gone. So now we need to see a different approach, Mertesacker is too slow to be playing that formation and it most certainly doesn't fit Arteta's play style even though he is doing well at adapting.

[Krebstar]

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I desperately want a 4-4-2.

Put in Chamakh in front of RVP and we'll see good things happen. I know it sounds crazy, but it'll be better than we have now which is RVP dropping back and nobody else in the box.

Oh, RVP also needs to stop taking corners. Get in the f'n box.

[blaza]

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I desperately want a 4-4-2.

Put in Chamakh in front of RVP and we'll see good things happen. I know it sounds crazy, but it'll be better than we have now which is RVP dropping back and nobody else in the box.

Oh, RVP also needs to stop taking corners. Get in the f'n box.

What would your center-mid pairing be?

[Krebstar]

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What would your center-mid pairing be?

Now that is a good question.

Song and Arteta, I guess. Wilshere would go out to the side. Not ideal for him, though.

It could just be that it's late in games, but when we bring in two strikers we really change. Plus, as much of a slump as Chamakh has been in, if we put the ball in the air, he's going to head them in inevitably. Also, I think part of it is that it's late in games, but we need to find a way to play with that mentality but not exactly that aggression. Score, but still be ready to defend.

When it's late in games and we're down, we shoot instead of picking the perfect pass. That is what we need to bring from the 80th minute to the 10th minute.

[misterbroom12]

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SZCZ
Sagna TV5 BFG Santos
Walcott Wilshere Arteta Gervinho
Chamakh RvP

Would be awesome to have Song to come on late to protect leads, Gibbs too to provide a bit more reserve in choosing when to attack. Ramsey, Arshavin, Benayoun and Park seem to give us all a specific look to add if we are looking stale heading into the latter part of a game. I feel the 4-4-2 is definitely a need for us to try out, maybe at home in Europe to be safest, but it would make teams have to figure our attack out again. Especially because defenders would have to worry about Chamakh in the center, it would open tons of room for the rest of our more skillful players. Plus, as we saw at Blakburn, Chamakh is more than capable of finishing in the air, even when well marked.

[blaza]

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SZCZ
Sagna TV5 BFG Santos
Walcott Wilshere Arteta Gervinho
Chamakh RvP

Would be awesome to have Song to come on late to protect leads, Gibbs too to provide a bit more reserve in choosing when to attack. Ramsey, Arshavin, Benayoun and Park seem to give us all a specific look to add if we are looking stale heading into the latter part of a game. I feel the 4-4-2 is definitely a need for us to try out, maybe at home in Europe to be safest, but it would make teams have to figure our attack out again. Especially because defenders would have to worry about Chamakh in the center, it would open tons of room for the rest of our more skillful players. Plus, as we saw at Blakburn, Chamakh is more than capable of finishing in the air, even when well marked.

Does look good in theory, but we would get absolutely overun in midfield with that lineup.

Song, (unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you feel) is a must start in our current setup.

[barryf1fan]

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I agree about Song, I don't know how you take him out and expect to have the presence in the defensive mid that we have with him.

I like the look of W-W-A-G in the mid, but who is checking back (other than Arteta) when we need that transition on D in the mid-field? Song is the only one to me who regularly gets back in to defend. Also, as much as I wish Arshavin would be the player he is capable of - he just doesn't defend well at all. Not consistently anyway.

Chamakh is a roll of the dice up front, when he's on - he's on and unfortunately when he's not.. well, you know.

I just hope we get the 3 points from Rovers, if we don't... it's just gonna be that much longer of a season.

[blaza]

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Yeah, Chamakh is not worthy of a starting spot right now, he's been terrible.

Also, Gibbs is first choice LB on current form for sure. Santos' last start was a nightmare.

[misterbroom12]

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In our current 4-5-1 I agree that Song is a must start, with a 4-4-2 though I believe Jack is hard working enough and Arteta is experienced enough that they will both defend well. Either one of them defending as well as Song isn't probable, but I'd rather us have the ball and not have to defend than have us not keep it as well and force whoever Song is paired with to play more defense than offense.
For the most part, that lineup should serve us well, and in games against more formidable opponents then maybe you take off Walcott or Gervinho, throw Song on and move Arteta a bit wider. Either way I believe that a 4-4-2 is our best option moving forward. We have been figured out in attack with our current formation, so much so that WITH Fabregas and Nasri we had a tough time picking the lock. Without them now, we need a new approach to match the hard work and persistence that we must put in to win games. Once that starts coming together, the quick and neat passing sequences we were used to seeing bring goals will do so once again, but only once we go back to and prove a threat playing route 1 football.