***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

[goonertaff]

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sorry guys but i hope we DONT sign Asharvin got to think hes a one trick pony ala karol Poporsky(sp?) for Man Utd plus your talking 10-20 million for a guy thats cover for Cesc

someone tell me how you can play cesc and asharvin in centre Midfield together and not get raped.

he also plays in the reserve striker roll which we dont use if ade and VPersie play or as the 5 th midfielder away from home which is ment to add some defensive steel to the team which he cant do because he cant tackle

so that leaves out wide and frankly hes not pacy enough but he can play wide left so maybe cover for Sicky sorry i mean Rosicky

Lets be honest we dont have an issue going forwards so why not strengthen with a Centre back (addition not replacement) and Defensive minded Midfielder with 8 attacking players in every arsenal team surely we can afford a spolier ala nicky butt/david batty christ there must be 50 such players not gifted football players but hard working team orentated selfless players that win the ball and pass it simple to someone talented

[Qb]

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someone tell me how you can play cesc and asharvin in centre Midfield together

To my knowledge, Arshavin is not a CM and wouldn't fill the same role as Fabregas (Cesc plays deeper in midfield) or play along side him. He plays as more of an AMF or SS, which leads me to believe that he would be used in much the same way as Nasri, Rosicky, Hleb, etc have been. Square peg, round hole? Possibly...

I share some of your reservations about signing him, in part because he's not a perfect fit with the squad, but more so due to there being more pressing thingson which to spend 15M. But they do need a creative player now due to injuries to Cesc, Theo & Rosicky. I just hope this isn't a short-sighted move, but that would be extremely out of character for Wenger. I guess we have to trust in the boss at this point...

there must be 50 such players not gifted football players but hard working team orentated selfless players that win the ball and pass it simple to someone talented

I think this is a great point. It seems Arsene puts such an emphasis on technique/skill, that he rarely considers someone who isn't "that type of player". Flamini was a great example -- he wasn't the most technically skilled guy (although he had some ability for sure), but he worked is tail off and Ray Parlour would be another. There aren't many players who possess elite skill, physical prowess and have the attitude to run themselves into the ground. But as you said, there are many more who have the latter two...

[ZM Punk]

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sorry guys but i hope we DONT sign Asharvin got to think hes a one trick pony ala karol Poporsky(sp?) for Man Utd plus your talking 10-20 million for a guy thats cover for Cesc

someone tell me how you can play cesc and asharvin in centre Midfield together and not get raped.

he also plays in the reserve striker roll which we dont use if ade and VPersie play or as the 5 th midfielder away from home which is ment to add some defensive steel to the team which he cant do because he cant tackle

so that leaves out wide and frankly hes not pacy enough but he can play wide left so maybe cover for Sicky sorry i mean Rosicky

Lets be honest we dont have an issue going forwards so why not strengthen with a Centre back (addition not replacement) and Defensive minded Midfielder with 8 attacking players in every arsenal team surely we can afford a spolier ala nicky butt/david batty christ there must be 50 such players not gifted football players but hard working team orentated selfless players that win the ball and pass it simple to someone talented

Thats what most people on this board have wanted all along. It just doesn't seem like its the same thing Arsene wants. I think most of us are excited more for the fact that Arsene is actually opening up his pocket book than for the player he is actually bringing in.

Andrei may not exactly fit on this team when everyone is healthy. But right now he has a certain attribute that doesn't exist very much on this team right now. Quality.

[Acid]

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I don't see Rosicky ever playing for Arsenal again, as much as I'd like him to. Arshavin will add depth though, something we lack and something we need to pursue a trophy.

We'll never have a perfectly healthy season, so we need players who can step in and fill gaps whenever we need it. Cesc has been so consistently healthy that Arsene never had a backup plan for if Cesc got hurt for a long period time like he currently is. That's why our central midfield consists of Denilson and Abou ****ing Diaby.

Other top class teams don't have that. Using central midfielders as an example, Chelsea has Essien, Deco, Mikel, Ballack, and Lampard. Liverpool have Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, and Lucas. United have Scholes, Anderson, Carrick, Hargreaves, and Fletcher. Compare those players to Denilson, Diaby, and Ramsey.

It's not rocket science as to why we have struggled the last few years, it's because we have no quality on our bench. Our bench for the Bolton game was:

Bendtner - Who is consistently inconsistent.
Vela - A promising player but is still raw in terms of Premiership experience
Fabianski - Keeper, nothing really to say
Bischoff - Kid we got on a free transfer coming off a huge injury last season at Bremen
Ramsey - 18 years old, will be a great player but can't really be counted on to play in big games
Gibbs - LB/LM hybrid who isn't the best defender (as shown in the Charlton Carling Cup game)
Wilshere - 17 years old, has a ton of hype around him because of preseason games but can't hang with Premier League players just yet.

If Adebayor or Van Persie go out for a long stretch, can we really just Bendtner to consistently play at a high level? I don't think we can, that's why Arshavin is a must, IMO.

[goonertaff]

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IIt's not rocket science as to why we have struggled the last few years, it's because we have no quality on our bench. Our bench for the Bolton game was:

Bendtner - Who is consistently inconsistent.
Vela - A promising player but is still raw in terms of Premiership experience
Fabianski - Keeper, nothing really to say
Bischoff - Kid we got on a free transfer coming off a huge injury last season at Bremen
Ramsey - 18 years old, will be a great player but can't really be counted on to play in big games
Gibbs - LB/LM hybrid who isn't the best defender (as shown in the Charlton Carling Cup game)
Wilshere - 17 years old, has a ton of hype around him because of preseason games but can't hang with Premier League players just yet.

If Adebayor or Van Persie go out for a long stretch, can we really just Bendtner to consistently play at a high level? I don't think we can, that's why Arshavin is a must, IMO.

With the exception of Bendtnar every one of those players should be on loan somewhere! and not on our bench

as to your opinion of our current starting CM partnership its Denislon that i can't see developing Diaby can lose concentration and get sloppy with the ball, which is some thing to work on denilson seams to make bad choices alot of the time

but your totally right no depth means no rest for your starters and more chance of niggly injuries which you then have to play with and more chance of major injuries

[rsnomar05]

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Great post on Arseblog today about how stupid it is for the official site to bill dubbing the return of Cesc, Rosicky, and Eduardo as being "like new signings."

The offical site writers should realize that at this point, nothing will soften the blow of not signing anyone, so we better get Arshavin.

[ZM Punk]

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Great post on Arseblog today about how stupid it is for the official site to bill dubbing the return of Cesc, Rosicky, and Eduardo as being "like new signings."

The offical site writers should realize that at this point, nothing will soften the blow of not signing anyone, so we better get Arshavin.

Yup it looks as though they're already gearing up to put the spin control when Arsene once again sits on his *** during the transfer period.

I'm going to be a man of my word on my decision to quit supporting Arsenal. Unlike when I say I'm going to quit supporting the Bengals. I've only been supporting Arsenal for a year and a half as I spent my first two years searching for the right team. So they will be easier to end my allegience to than the Bengals who I've been supporting for 16 years.

Hopefully Arsene gets off his *** and makes a signing so I won't have to once again become a free agent fan. But I just can't support whats going on at this club right now.

[Qb]

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Wow, harsh words ZM... As for the official site, that's the type of crap that keeps me away. Not that it's only Arsenal's site that does it, as most team-affiliated ones are pretty weak when it comes to content.

I think the point of not being in touch with the fan base was great (may have been from Gunnerblog which ran a similar story). Touting injured players as 'new signings' is bad enough, but when those injured players won't be returning any time soon... gimme a break.

[ZM Punk]

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Wow, harsh words ZM... As for the official site, that's the type of crap that keeps me away. Not that it's only Arsenal's site that does it, as most team-affiliated ones are pretty weak when it comes to content.

I think the point of not being in touch with the fan base was great (may have been from Gunnerblog which ran a similar story). Touting injured players as 'new signings' is bad enough, but when those injured players won't be returning any time soon... gimme a break.

I've just become so freaking frustrated with this team. Most notably Wenger's stubborness. He talks about phillosophy this, phillosphy that. Bottom line is his phillosophy hasn't won jack crap for the last 5 years.

He talks about us having this great side and all. Fact of the matter is, this all mighty great side he has assemble has maybe 4 players that could see the field for a team like Man United.

Fabregas and Clichy definitely. Nasri and Ade would probably be spot starters. And he still stands put while every other team in the premier league spends money. Teams that I know are in a lot worst shape than we are finacially. Thats just unacceptable imo.

[RoyceDa59]

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I can understand your frustration but one thing that bothers me is their lack of depth on their team. Arsenal needs to fix this, you always need alternatives for your starters. I was really surprise that Wenger started the season with such a paper thin midfield, Cesc, Denilson, Ramsey, Diaby, and Song may be good players in their own way but they playing them together is not working very well. I will say this was the first year I have seen Cesc play so out of his style I dont even recognize him sometimes. He needs a holding defender really badly, Xabi Alonso and him would make a perfect fit in the midfield and any type of scrappy midfielder. I really feel just signing Arshavin will NOT be enough, he would be an ok signing but I feel Arsenal needs at least another good signing too.

[goonertaff]

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I can understand your frustration but one thing that bothers me is their lack of depth on their team. Arsenal needs to fix this, you always need alternatives for your starters. I was really surprise that Wenger started the season with such a paper thin midfield, Cesc, Denilson, Ramsey, Diaby, and Song may be good players in their own way but they playing them together is not working very well. I will say this was the first year I have seen Cesc play so out of his style I dont even recognize him sometimes. He needs a holding defender really badly, Xabi Alonso and him would make a perfect fit in the midfield and any type of scrappy midfielder. I really feel just signing Arshavin will NOT be enough, he would be an ok signing but I feel Arsenal needs at least another good signing too.

could not agree more!!

Arsharvin is a complete waste of money- not because he's a crap player, he's not he's very good (not as good as most people think though) he's a copy of what we already have and does nt fix any of the holes in the team

we are a wonderful team to watch, ive watched and been to Arsenal for almost 25 years and i would bet you any sum of money that no one on this board would support Arsenal if we were playing under George "secret agent" Graham. God it was souless crap to watch you used to prey Arsenal did nt score in the first 10 mins or the ball would nt cross the half way line again

But old George could lock up a game like no one else and sometimes (not often) I miss seeing a gritty 1-0 win. I cant get comfy and enjoy the game unless we have a 3 goal lead and less than 2 mins of injury time left

So BUY A BALLWINNER DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER, anyone will do anyone who's played in the EPL who's tough gritty no nonsense, comitted, agressive passionate hardworking and does nt have the desire to ride 4 tackles and perform a back flick on the edge of the area. Someone who just wants to protect the back four

Why is it difficult because Wenger want a Viera or Petit who's all of the above plus a great passer can score and contribute in other ways. So while he searches we get diaby/Denilson or Song trying to be a defensive midfielder which none of them can do.

At this point id even accept Joey Barton and I was happy to see him hang 2 months ago

[ZM Punk]

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There has got to be better players on the bench than Diaby. He is absolute rubbish. I have never seen anyone give up possession like he does. Give Ramsey a shot, he can't be any worse.

[Qb]

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Three more points... I was already thinking about my "[bleep] this [bleep]" post after Hull equalized, but thankfully the team finally seemed to give a [bleep] in the last 10 minutes or so. Too bad Villa took care of business as well, but I guess there's far too many games left to be scoreboard watching now...

[rsnomar05]

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Three more points... I was already thinking about my "[bleep] this [bleep]" post after Hull equalized, but thankfully the team finally seemed to give a [bleep] in the last 10 minutes or so. Too bad Villa took care of business as well, but I guess there's far too many games left to be scoreboard watching now...

Yeah, I was pissed at the equalizer. Untypical bad play by Clichy who is usually so much better. And even though it was gimme, Bendtner has now scored in two games in a row, and hopefully (though I doubt it) this trend with him continues.

[rsnomar05]

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Apparently the Arshavin signing might happen this week. It's kind of ironic that we're reportedly willing to spend $15 mil to get the guy but we've let so many players go for wanting money.