***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

[JHedges2]

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What was up with Mustafi? He looked straight up bad yesterday. Just a matter of needing to settle in?

I think he needs time to settle and feel more comfortable. I think that will also stop him to feel like he needs to impress too much.

I think we're seeing the issues relating to thrusting a defender into place when they've had 3-4 days of training with their new teammates. It takes time for a defending pair to mesh, and these guys haven't had much time.

Kreb is on point; I completely agree.

Also of note, Cech wasn't back there running point either...

[Keano16]

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Give it five-ten games of playing together and you'll be fine. In the future if you can sort out a left back and groom Holding/Chambers to take over from Koscielny and having Bellerín has your defence sorted.

[KG]

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Monreal is pretty damn good in his own right. He pretty much put Gibbs out the door.


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[Krebstar]

***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

I'd say Nacho is easily one of the top fullbacks in the league right now. Left back is more than sorted for the present, but he's not getting younger.

[Brahvocado]

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Why are so many people absolutely positive Bellerin is going to be a world class RB? He's no different from Yedlin right now, and nobody is saying Yedlin is going to be world class.

Positionally they are the same player. Gets even worse when I see people trying to compare Bellerin to Alaba.

[Keano16]

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Should have said sorted for the future, don't get me wrong, Monreal is a good player just he's starting to hit the wrong side of thirty. Brah, Bellerín is a good bit younger and training with Arsenal will only make him better, he already has pace on his side and he can only improve from a technical point of view.

[Brahvocado]

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Should have said sorted for the future, don't get me wrong, Monreal is a good player just he's starting to hit the wrong side of thirty. Brah, Bellerín is a good bit younger and training with Arsenal will only make him better, he already has pace on his side and he can only improve from a technical point of view.

Yes but people were saying literally the same thing about Yedlin.

"He's got crazy pace and athleticism, his positioning etc. will come along eventually"

Don't get me wrong, both players could and probably will go on to become perfectly good defenders. What gets me is the assumption that Bellerin is going to be the best in the world, with seemingly the logic of "omg he's so fast, imagine how good of a defender he'd be if he actually knew how to defend!"

People compare him pretty regularly to Alaba, who was already one of the best in the WORLD at Bellerin's age, not just good for his age group.

[Keano16]

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Yes but people were saying literally the same thing about Yedlin.

"He's got crazy pace and athleticism, his positioning etc. will come along eventually"

Don't get me wrong, both players could and probably will go on to become perfectly good defenders. What gets me is the assumption that Bellerin is going to be the best in the world, with seemingly the logic of "omg he's so fast, imagine how good of a defender he'd be if he actually knew how to defend!"

People compare him pretty regularly to Alaba, who was already one of the best in the WORLD at Bellerin's age, not just good for his age group.

Personally I've never seen him compared to Alaba and he rightly shouldn't be. I suppose because he cam through Barca's academy and plays for Arsenal while showing some promise and potential, people rate him better than Yedlin.

[Krebstar]

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Bellerin still has a lot left to learn, but he's by far the best right back option we've had since Sagna left. His pace allows him to make defensive mistakes which he makes due to his inexperience, and he greatly aids in attack when it comes to counters.

To me he's far more than just pace, but it's clearly his greatest strength as of now. He shows great potential, and he has a great chance to fulfill due to being the first choice in his position.

[Brahvocado]

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Nacho breaks the mold for defenders in your team imo, he's incredibly solid.

Really, the more I think about it the more I'm not surprised Bellerin is so highly rated by Arsenal fans. He's very fast, fluid in the attack, not really that good at defending and is prone to inexplicable mental lapses. He's Arsenal in a nutshell.

Anyway, I'm sure he will become a good defender, but I'd be shocked if he became one of the best in the world.

[OneDrop]

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Nacho breaks the mold for defenders in your team imo, he's incredibly solid.

Really, the more I think about it the more I'm not surprised Bellerin is so highly rated by Arsenal fans. He's very fast, fluid in the attack, not really that good at defending and is prone to inexplicable mental lapses. He's Arsenal in a nutshell.

Anyway, I'm sure he will become a good defender, but I'd be shocked if he became one of the best in the world.

He will become one of the best in the world no doubt. There's just not a lot of good fullbacks around anymore. Comparing him to Yedlin is jokes, Yedlin's nowhere NEAR as good as Bellerin is.

[cdawg44]

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So today in the Presser Arsene had the bright idea to say he'd rather have Coquelin-Santi together deep over Xhaka-Santi because it's "better" and Coquelin does more defensively.

First of all, you dropped £35 million on Xhaka to be your anchor in midfield for the next 7 years or so and you have him sitting on the bench. In the PSG game, Xhaka had more tackles in 15 minutes on the pitch than Coquelin had 75 minutes, not to mention all the fouls Coquelin kept committing.

Then, you know you want to play possession football above all else and need to get balls the outside which Xhaka is great at. He Can pass, retain possession and has better timing on his tackles and positional discipline. The only thing I can think of that Coquelin has over Xhaka is speed, which does get him trouble at times. But yeah, I swear Arsene gives me a headache and doesn't realize his arguments make zero sense at times.

[Brahvocado]

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He will become one of the best in the world no doubt. There's just not a lot of good fullbacks around anymore. Comparing him to Yedlin is jokes, Yedlin's nowhere NEAR as good as Bellerin is.

I just don't see how you can be so sure of that, especially as an Arsenal fan.

And no, Bellerin on current ability isn't multiple levels above Yedlin. Watch them both play, they are very similar. Bellerin is better, but currently not by much.

[OneDrop]

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I just don't see how you can be so sure of that, especially as an Arsenal fan.

And no, Bellerin on current ability isn't multiple levels above Yedlin. Watch them both play, they are very similar. Bellerin is better, but currently not by much.

Give me ten RBs that are better than Bellerin right now. If Yedlin was as good he wouldn't be at Newcastle right now, whereas Bellerin plays for a consistent top four club. I'm not saying Yedlin is trash but Bellerin's obviously better right now.

[ImTellinTim]

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10 RBs in the world that are better or just the EPL?