2018-19 UEFA Competitions Thread

[Brahvocado]

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I don’t think Zidane goes to United tbh.

I saw someone elsewhere explaining why OGS is under more pressure than people think, largely because of his own connection to the club and his nearly desperate desire to not let them down. Certainly an interesting take at the very least.

I could see Poch staying at Spurs another year, it looks like Real are going after Jose again.

IMO if OGS gets top 4 and makes it through the next round of the CL there’s no way he doesn’t get the job.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Plus, why mess with Chemistry on that team when they’ve got a good thing going?

Players seem to enjoy playing for him and he’s gotten more out of them than Mourinho has(not saying much I know)so they might as well keep it going.

I never bought into the whole “They can get Poch/Zidane” stuff.

[bhurst99]

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I can't believe there is still any doubt that OGS gets the full-time job. He has gone into what appeared to be a bad situation and turned it completely around.

He's not going to command a huge salary like Zidane and if the whole thing turns out to be a mirage next season, they can always fire him.

I think Poch is incredibly overrated but that's just me. I wouldn't take Poch over OGS at this point.

[Krebstar]

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I never bought into the whole “They can get Poch/Zidane” stuff.

I don't think they'll get Zidane, but are you saying you don't think they could convince ($) Pochettino? Because they most certainly could, and I think if he were offered the job he'd take it.

I can't believe there is still any doubt that OGS gets the full-time job. He has gone into what appeared to be a bad situation and turned it completely around.

He's not going to command a huge salary like Zidane and if the whole thing turns out to be a mirage next season, they can always fire him.

I think Poch is incredibly overrated but that's just me. I wouldn't take Poch over OGS at this point.

I didn't really express doubt—I was pointing out that there might be long-term planning which would make it not as easy as a decision. How many times have we seen caretaker managers do magnificent things, only to then stutter?

At this point I do think he gets it, but I do not at all buy into the idea that "they have to" give it to him. They're Manchester United, not West Brom.

Also, I would much rather have Pochettino over OGS every single time it was offered.

[Keirik]

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A few morning thoughts before I settle in on my snow day and prepare for the majestic Europa League to start.

1. I've caved a bit on the handball. I understand why it was given, but when it gets into judging intent/decisions made in real-time using slow motion, it's always going to be awkward and I'd care less about the call if rules were more clear. UEFA seems to be clearing them up for next year and apparently even verbally said how the rules will change, so it seems those have unofficially gone into effect. I just want consistency, but I know that's asking for way too much.

2. As someone who very much enjoys Unai Emery, I was very happy for him last night. The defeat to Barca was far more institutional than anything he did, and I always thought he got more of the blame than he should have. There are far bigger issues at that club than any manager can fix.

3. OGS is surely going to get the United job, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't because I feel like they're in a difficult position. You essentially have to give him the job now (yeah I'm finally giving him some credit), but what if they could get someone else they've had their eye on? What if they could get Poch or Zidane? Do you pass that up because of the obligation of giving it to OGS? What if after a season he can't get the team higher than he has them now, and with more pressure on club performances dip?

I don't think it's as easy of a decision for United to make as it appears depending on what other planning they've done. Also, no matter how well he's done, he and the squad will be under different expectations next season and if he's officially given the job. They've been able to ride their underdog status for now, but eventually, it ends, and that could have an effect on things.

Thats my problem with VAR in thie first place. I dont really like it used for judgement calls but I understand that its just going to ge part of the future and players are going to have to understand the scrutiny every play can come under. Just look at the Porto game as another example. Instead of tugging shirts and jumping uncontrollably at shots, defenders are going to havevto mark up better and just play a different game of football.

As for Ole. He has to get the job. At this point, if they dont fully meet or exceed the goals set for him when he took over then its simply from the hole Jose set for his team rather than any shortcomings Ole has. Hes brought some magic back to a club that has romanticized magic and drama for the majority of Fergies time at the club. I sont think Ole would have done his at another club but for United he was perfect and at the perfect time.
Could you imagine this game yesterday with Mourinho as manager? He would have spent days before talking about having no chance, injury excuses, setting up his post match interview for the loss "you expected a result with these injuries and pogba banned" before kickoff. The players feel that negative energy. Under Ole, they thrive and feed off his legend as someone that specifically played and experienced that very romanticized magic of the club. Just look at how Rashford, a 21 year old that was struggling under Jose, immediately step up for an extra time pk against a legendary Italian keeper in the quarter finals to send his club through and bury it with no thought. That was a thing of beauty lol.

[Krebstar]

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Hes brought some magic back to a club that has romanticized magic and drama for the majority of Fergies time at the club. I sont think Ole would have done his at another club but for United he was perfect and at the perfect time.

Under Ole, they thrive and feed off his legend as someone that specifically played and experienced that very romanticized magic of the club.

This helps the point I'm trying to make—a little.

Let me be clear, because it's far too easy to half read what I'm saying and react. I think he'll get the job, and I'm not saying he should not get the job. I'm just looking deeper and more long-term at where it goes from there.

Yes, he's been the right manager at the right time, but is it out of the realm of possibility to think that once it's not the right time he's no longer the right manager? It's almost as if he's setting an unrealistic pace and even future expectations for himself.

This run will end, the magic will end, and eventually, they'll have to deal with adversity( more so than they are now with injuries). To use a metaphor, he's using a romanticized view of the club and overwhelming positivity to fuel what's going on but eventually, that fuel will run out. What will happen then?

Maybe he'll lead them to great success and he'll be an incredible manager for them—who knows.

I'm not saying he's not getting it—I'm saying that once the fire is out, maybe you no longer need a firefighter, even if they're the one that saved you.

[Keirik]

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This helps the point I'm trying to make—a little.

Let me be clear, because it's far too easy to half read what I'm saying and react. I think he'll get the job, and I'm not saying he should not get the job. I'm just looking deeper and more long-term at where it goes from there.

Yes, he's been the right manager at the right time, but is it out of the realm of possibility to think that once it's not the right time he's no longer the right manager? It's almost as if he's setting an unrealistic pace and even future expectations for himself.

This run will end, the magic will end, and eventually, they'll have to deal with adversity( more so than they are now with injuries). To use a metaphor, he's using a romanticized view of the club and overwhelming positivity to fuel what's going on but eventually, that fuel will run out. What will happen then?

Maybe he'll lead them to great success and he'll be an incredible manager for them—who knows.

I'm not saying he's not getting it—I'm saying that once the fire is out, maybe you no longer need a firefighter, even if they're the one that saved you.

I totally understand and get what you are saying. To take your point one step even further, id say Jose set up Ole to be the perfect replacement. Clearly the players did not enjoy Mourinho anymore and Ole was the polar opposite. It made this core enjoy being a member of United and play for this team when they previously had no identity. However, yes the fire can burn out but itll still be the same core that have this pride and accountability. I think Ole has made himself into the guy the players want to perform and play for, the manager players do not want to disappoint. They see the love the fans have for him and that love is something that is decades long in the making. The core isnt going anywhere so i dont see that part of all of this as being something that wears out. In the end, literally no other manager could have done better than he has at this point so i dont see the club deciding there is a better fit.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I don't think they'll get Zidane, but are you saying you don't think they could convince ($) Pochettino? Because they most certainly could, and I think if he were offered the job he'd take it.

Oh, I knew if it came down to money, ManU would win that easy. I just didn’t think it would be anytime soon that he would make a move.

[Zac]

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Super annoyed with B/L Turner. The Europa league games should be on TNT also. I miss Fox.

[Suntan Superman]

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Super annoyed with B/L Turner. The Europa league games should be on TNT also. I miss Fox.

BR Live is garbage, the stream quality was so bad that I decided to stop watching after Sokratis' second yellow

[Brahvocado]

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Super annoyed with B/L Turner. The Europa league games should be on TNT also. I miss Fox.

Can't believe this is a common sentiment.

Fox put like zero effort into their soccer coverage, how do you manage to out-crap that?

[Brahvocado]

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CHO goal assisted by Ruben.

This is it boys, we did it.

[ImTellinTim]

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Can't believe this is a common sentiment.

Fox put like zero effort into their soccer coverage, how do you manage to out-crap that?

They basically flip a switch on FS2 when the match starts and call it Bundesliga coverage.

[Brahvocado]

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They basically flip a switch on FS2 when the match starts and call it Bundesliga coverage.

I've seen them showing Nascar re-runs instead of live Buli games.

And yet somehow they are still better than Turner, that's pretty impressive tbh.

[Krebstar]

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I decided to stop watching after Sokratis' second yellow

You chose wisely.