2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

[Brahvocado]

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People hate City so much they forget UEFA aren’t exactly the good guys.

UEFA is in a very precarious position here because there is a more than decent chance CAS takes City’s side and the fallout from City winning the appeal could potentially be horrific for UEFA.

Will be good entertainment.

[Suntan Superman]

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One needn't look any further than UEFAs handling, or lack thereof of racism to see how little UEFA actually cares.

[Brahvocado]

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A very bright light is about to be shone on UEFA during this appeal process and I’m still not sure that’s something they will be able to cleanly walk away from.

[Suntan Superman]

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In the end, I guess Brexit means Brexit.

[Zac]

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In the end, I guess Brexit means Brexit.

I hadn't thought about that. This stuff was being ignored until then wasn't it.

[Suntan Superman]

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I mean the length of the investigation is 100% UEFA incompetence. I don't think Brexit legitimately has anything to do with it.

[3304Life]

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UEFA turns too much of a blind eye to racism, we know that.

However it’s not really relevant right now. City have been found to be serial cheaters. And for that, they’re being punished. And I don’t think anybody who isn’t a City fan should be sad about that.


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[Brahvocado]

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UEFA turns too much of a blind eye to racism, we know that.

However it’s not really relevant right now. City have been found to be serial cheaters. And for that, they’re being punished. And I don’t think anybody who isn’t a City fan should be sad about that.


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I don’t think anyone is sad.

The issue is it isn’t quite as cut and dry as you are making it out to be. FFP itself has been criticized from the beginning and it’s implementation has been poor and possibly not legal.

I don’t like the way UEFA does anything, including how they handle FFP, and nobody else should either really.

[Suntan Superman]

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I don't feel sad for City persay, I mostly feel bad for anyone that's fallen victim or going to fall victim to UEFA's ridiculousness. It's like the mob is prosecuting a street gang. No one is actually winnning, the only people losing are the fans, which UEFA has certainly made very well known they do not care about the fans.

[ImTellinTim]

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Champions League knockouts fire up today, and we have a couple tasty matchups.

At. Madrid vs. Liverpool and Dortmund vs. PSG

Tomorrow is Atalanta vs. Valencia (smh) and Spurs vs. Red Bull

[jb12780]

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Rooting for a Red Bull upset.


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[Krebstar]

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Jumping away from the actual football for a second and back to UEFA's ruling—what I think is really interesting and seems under-reported or misunderstood overall is what exactly City have been found guilty of.

Apparently it had nothing to do with money spent, profit/loss difference, etc. It came down to them being deceitful and blatantly lying about where money was coming into the club. The ownership putting money into the club wasn't the issue, as that could've happened to a degree. It was that they lied about it, even when they didn't really need to (it seems).

Just really interesting, as on the surface one would think oh, they spent too much and have too much debt therefore they violated FFP rules. But really, lying about the source of the income to such a brazen degree is what they're being punished for, and it doesn't seem like they needed to lie about it and if they didn't, the punishment may not have been as severe.

But anyway, actual football, really hoping Atalanta can continue into the next round.

[ImTellinTim]

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It does have to do with profit/loss stuff because they are doing things like blatantly overvaluing items such as shirt sponsorships and naming rights. It's all a big accounting shell game to cover up the fact that the owner is pumping more money into the club to avoid losses than is allowed. The spending isn't being backed by sustainable revenue, which is the entire philosophy behind FFP. They don't want clubs to be wrapped up in horrible debt directly to their owner which causes problems when the owner leaves the club.

The question is if you believe those rules should be there. And the issue is that clubs like PSG have already done this and haven't faced penalties like this. The other problem is that the rules don't really scale up to the level where you literally have a nation footing the bill. To me, they were always more to prevent things like Portsmouth or Leeds happening.

All that said, I'm not going to sit here and feel sorry for a group of people who blatantly ignore rules seeing consequences. And I'm also not going to feel sorry for UEFA if this all blows up in their face because they haven't equally applied the rules.

[Krebstar]

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I should've been more clear. Reading back what I wrote, it didn't make sense at all.

According to The Guardian's David Conn, the punishment is for "a breach of trust, not a breach of the financial limits of FFP."

So, my point which was never really that clear is that it's not breaking FFP violations that UEFA is pissed about, it's that City lied about it. If City just pumped money into the club via the ownership and then handed over their records showing they did that, UEFA would've been like ah you jerks, you can't do that due to FFP...so, have a small fine and don't do it again.

But, because they tried to cover up their clear breaking of FFP, they received a harsh punishment.

So, UEFA cares more about the lying than the blatant breaking of FFP. If City just put money into the club via the owner and said "What are you going to do about it?" when they had to hand over their documentation, they would've gotten another slap on the wrist. But, because they tried to cover it, they were harshly punished. That is the interesting part to me, and by interesting I mean lol UEFA.

UEFA doesn't care if you spend more than you make, as long as you don't lie about it.

[ImTellinTim]

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That is the other point - they have knowing and blatantly broken the rules since basically day 1.

And that's why I don't really buy the "well everyone/these clubs have done it" line. No, not everyone does it and certainly not like City. This fight was always going to come eventually.