2020-2021 English Football Thread

[3304Life]

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One of the biggest faults of VAR is that they can review Firmino’s handball because it led to a goal but not Dier’s, whereas if Spurs had broken and scored they could only review Dier’s and not Firmino’s. No context considered for why he handballed it.

Reminds me of Watkins having a goal disallowed when Ogbonna fouled him and pushed him into an offside position.


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[ImTellinTim]

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You end up taking it for granted a lot, but Wijnaldum's ball control and retention is actually insane.

EDIT: Then he does that, lol

[3304Life]

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You end up taking it for granted a lot, but Wijnaldum's ball control and retention is actually insane.

Wijnaldum and Thiago swapping looks like the change we needed. Gini is a better defender positionally and Thiago is a better distributor. Gini has been great.


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[ImTellinTim]

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Thiago also makes at least one borderline tackle per match too. Rather not have him being the one protecting the back line.

[Brahvocado]

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One of the biggest faults of VAR is that they can review Firmino’s handball because it led to a goal but not Dier’s, whereas if Spurs had broken and scored they could only review Dier’s and not Firmino’s. No context considered for why he handballed it.

Reminds me of Watkins having a goal disallowed when Ogbonna fouled him and pushed him into an offside position.


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Yeah this has been one of my biggest complaints about it as well.

[Krebstar]

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Looking up random stats and came across something expected, but interesting.

Chris Wood has the second-most aerials won (92) and the most lost (96).

The next time I hear a pundit say Burnley is about more than hoofing it forward, I'm going to throw something.

They also have two players in the top-ten for caught offside—Wood and Barnes. If it was one, that would just be the style of the player, but they're ranked fourth and fifth.

[Krebstar]

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I know not everyone will agree with this, but the consistent gushing by commentators and pundits over Højberg's performances has consistently annoyed me. "Oh, he's done so well, what a bargain, you can tell how much Mourinho loves him, etc."

Yeah, because he's a midfield battering ram with the finest of a rhino.

He leads the league in attempted tackles and fouls (although Ashley Barnes is only three behind with four fewer appearances, insane). Three players have made more successful tackles than him.

Quick comparison of two other midfielders who do not receive nearly the amount of adoration, but maybe because they don't throw themselves into other players as much.


Pierre-Emile Højberg:
19 apperances
53 tackles • 40 fouls • 24 interceptions
Dribbled past 36 times • dispossessed 13 times
9 key passes • 87% pass accuracy • 10 successful dribbles

James McArthur:
18 appearances
57 tackles • 32 fouls • 23 interceptions
Dribbled past 24 times, dispossessed 11 times
15 key passes, 81% pass accuracy, 14 successful dribbles

Yves Bissouma:
18 appearances
54 tackles • 30 fouls • 18 interceptions
Dribbled past 15 times • dispossessed 17 times
7 key passes • 86% pass accuracy • 28 successful dribbles

It's not that Højberg hasn't been good, he just seems praised to an insane extent because his price but even more because he runs around hacking at people under Mourinho's instruction.

[Krebstar]

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He leads the league in attempted tackles and fouls (although Ashley Barnes is only three behind with four fewer appearances, insane). Three players have made more successful tackles than him.

Quick reminder of how awful Ashley Barnes is, as what he's done in his few appearances is remarkable, in a way—then I'll get back to work.

In only 15 appearances, he leads the league in yellow cards (4) by fowards, and he's second in the league in fouls (37)—Højberg is first in fouls (40) but has played four more matches.

He's attempted one dribble, and it was unsuccessful.

Edit: Fixed his crap stats.

[ImTellinTim]

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I had to look because I know that 4 yellow cards doesn't lead the league. There are players who have been suspended for accumulating 5.

He probably has the most yellows by a forward, but there are quite a few players on 5 and three players on 6.

Hector Bellerin has the most yellows with 7.

[3304Life]

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Hojbjerg is immense though. He was the only player (with maybe Rodon) who actually turned up for Spurs. Everybody else was terrible.


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[Brahvocado]

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Hojbjerg is the perfect Mourinho center mid, and the epitome of a player you hate unless they are on your team.

He is a "master of the dark arts" as the English like to say when it's a player they want to spare the slandering, dives all the time to win fouls but never gets called for diving, nor does he even get a reputation for it despite it featuring heavily in his game. Just as good as Fernandinho at tactical fouling, and receives just as little punishment for doing it regularly.

Of course he is also very skilled, and good at what he does, but he was practically built to play for a Mourinho team.

[ImTellinTim]

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He also plays for Spurs so naturally pundits are going to talk about him and not players who play for Palace and Brighton

[Krebstar]

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I had to look because I know that 4 yellow cards doesn't lead the league. There are players who have been suspended for accumulating 5.

He probably has the most yellows by a forward, but there are quite a few players on 5 and three players on 6.

Hector Bellerin has the most yellows with 7.

Ahhh I think I went out of control with my filter and forgot to reset it on that one haha. I need to always include a ‘crap stats’ warning.

[Krebstar]

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Hojbjerg is the perfect Mourinho center mid, and the epitome of a player you hate unless they are on your team.

Honestly, I'd be frustrated at the amount of fouls he commits, and for being incredibly physical in terms of how he tackles, he can be gotten by.

Like I said, he's a very talented player, but because he's in Mourinho's side there, in my opinion, has been an aura created around him as if he's dominating midfields with his presence. No, he just fouls, grabs, pulls, etc. I'm not saying he's not effective, I'm saying he's praised for being more than he is right now.

He also plays for Spurs so naturally pundits are going to talk about him and not players who play for Palace and Brighton

It's definitely more of something I've noticed on commentary. Bissouma is someone I've seen/heard praised online, especially.

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My whole point, and what I found interesting, is that others are doing similar work, but in ways they're better. I'll be shocked if Bissouma isn't grabbed by a bigger club this Summer.

If Ndidi was fit, he'd be doing very well in several of those positive categories I mentioned before.

[jb12780]

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