Madden NFL 25 Impressions (PS4)

[HingleMcCringleberry]

Jamal Charles has 148 yds and 2 scores rushing on me only halfway through the 1st Q because of the off tackle runs. Both 50+ yards untouched into the endzone. It's not that I "suck" at the game, it's that the AI in this game is horrible, and the blocking on off tackles and screens is absolutely perfect. This is just getting ridiculous now, as the OL is consistently blocking my line 7 yards downfield, my linebackers and DBs are not pursuing, but just bum-rushing the middle of the field where nobody is, and everyone just falls to the ground when trying to tackle and misses completely. It's either I send everybody to commit to that one gap on the classic run commit "YOLO BLITZ" and leave the rest of the field open all game or just ignore it and get rushed on for 500 yards. Will they ever fix this? It's just terrible, and inexcusable. I can only imagine what it must be like in online play where everyone exploits every single flaw in this game. 3 games and 1 quarter through the season and teams have about 800 rushing yards on me already. Absurd

[The JareBear]

Quote: Originally Posted by HingleMcCringleberry

Jamal Charles has 148 yds and 2 scores rushing on me only halfway through the 1st Q because of the off tackle runs. Both 50+ yards untouched into the endzone. It's not that I "suck" at the game, it's that the AI in this game is horrible, and the blocking on off tackles and screens is absolutely perfect. This is just getting ridiculous now, as the OL is consistently blocking my line 7 yards downfield, my linebackers and DBs are not pursuing, but just bum-rushing the middle of the field where nobody is, and everyone just falls to the ground when trying to tackle and misses completely. It's either I send everybody to commit to that one gap on the classic run commit "YOLO BLITZ" and leave the rest of the field open all game or just ignore it and get rushed on for 500 yards. Will they ever fix this? It's just terrible, and inexcusable. I can only imagine what it must be like in online play where everyone exploits every single flaw in this game. 3 games and 1 quarter through the season and teams have about 800 rushing yards on me already. Absurd

Yeah don't let anyone tell you differently, running outside is hard to do in the NFL. EA needs to fix it.

[HingleMcCringleberry]

another thing, anyone else having issues with going for a tackle and the player choosing to turn around and engage a blocker that they already got through? the AI is just terrible. absolutely terrible. I'm getting fed up with these 15+ yards per carry averages, where backup running backs can look like a mix between usain bolt and hercules. my linebackers can't tackle, my safeties don't play "last line of defense" and just overpursue the wrong direction each time, and my line can't pick up an extra rusher or even continue blocks after i get to the line of scrimmage. My 95 overall RB has a worse YPC average than Trent Richardson. Averaging 2 yards per run right now. If i really need to, I can get 500 passing yards every game if i really need to prove it to this game. I can just run streak routes and one out of 4 the corner will commit run leaving my guy wide open (and the QB sometimes still misses by 10+ yards with 99 THA)... but I want realistic. It seems that every aspect of this game is about trying to exploit a flaw, and that is how you win. period. i keep trying to enjoy it yet i've played and quit the same game 8 times due to this unrealistic nonsense. smh

EDIT:

And Why on plays around 3RD AND 19 do the corners bite on play action leaving guys open. that should just never happen. ever. c'mon man!!!

Another Edit:

Just had to add it for my own little laugh because they just ran another 80 yard run untouched up the middle. absolutely unacceptable for 25 years in the business.

Final Edit:

After another 90 inch vertical jump pick from their corner and another 90 yarder, i rage quit yet again. Here are the numbers well less than halfway through the 4th Q... My QB has 332 yards and a TD and Pick, 71% passing. Not bad. Now for the good stuff. My RB has 19 carries for 9 yards. Yeah... 9 yards. Looks like I must suck huh,

And here are their stats. Terrell Pryor - 100% completion rating. Yes y'all read that correctly... 100%. Looks like Tiburon needs to watch some tape because clearly they missed something there. J Charles has 19 carries for 359 yards and 4 scores. WTF madden. inexcusable. I spend more time yelling at this game for it's letdowns than I do watching Eli Manning every Sunday. It may in fact be a better buy for my money to spend $50000 to get on the 25+ year waiting list for season tickets at Giants Stadium than it would be to spend another $60 on another version of Madden. Considering stopping the "3 year plan" where i buy one madden every 3 years and changing it to a "5 year plan," a "25 year wait list," or just forget about football games until somebody steps up and makes something worth my money. Sorry for ranting, i just don't know what else to say. i am at a complete loss for words. 3 games through my first CFM and I am done.

[OhMrHanky]

Quote: Originally Posted by HingleMcCringleberry

another thing, anyone else having issues with going for a tackle and the player choosing to turn around and engage a blocker that they already got through? the AI is just terrible. absolutely terrible. I'm getting fed up with these 15+ yards per carry averages, where backup running backs can look like a mix between usain bolt and hercules. my linebackers can't tackle, my safeties don't play "last line of defense" and just overpursue the wrong direction each time, and my line can't pick up an extra rusher or even continue blocks after i get to the line of scrimmage. My 95 overall RB has a worse YPC average than Trent Richardson. Averaging 2 yards per run right now. If i really need to, I can get 500 passing yards every game if i really need to prove it to this game. I can just run streak routes and one out of 4 the corner will commit run leaving my guy wide open (and the QB sometimes still misses by 10+ yards with 99 THA)... but I want realistic. It seems that every aspect of this game is about trying to exploit a flaw, and that is how you win. period. i keep trying to enjoy it yet i've played and quit the same game 8 times due to this unrealistic nonsense. smh EDIT: And Why on plays around 3RD AND 19 do the corners bite on play action leaving guys open. that should just never happen. ever. c'mon man!!! Another Edit: Just had to add it for my own little laugh because they just ran another 80 yard run untouched up the middle. absolutely unacceptable for 25 years in the business. Final Edit: After another 90 inch vertical jump pick from their corner and another 90 yarder, i rage quit yet again. Here are the numbers well less than halfway through the 4th Q... My QB has 332 yards and a TD and Pick, 71% passing. Not bad. Now for the good stuff. My RB has 19 carries for 9 yards. Yeah... 9 yards. Looks like I must suck huh, And here are their stats. Terrell Pryor - 100% completion rating. Yes y'all read that correctly... 100%. Looks like Tiburon needs to watch some tape because clearly they missed something there. J Charles has 19 carries for 359 yards and 4 scores. WTF madden. inexcusable. I spend more time yelling at this game for it's letdowns than I do watching Eli Manning every Sunday. It may in fact be a better buy for my money to spend $50000 to get on the 25+ year waiting list for season tickets at Giants Stadium than it would be to spend another $60 on another version of Madden. Considering stopping the "3 year plan" where i buy one madden every 3 years and changing it to a "5 year plan," a "25 year wait list," or just forget about football games until somebody steps up and makes something worth my money. Sorry for ranting, i just don't know what else to say. i am at a complete loss for words. 3 games through my first CFM and I am done.

Lol, I share your pain, brotha. I've seen a few of your posts and they speak volumes to the programming issues madden has. I will say that IMO, 13 played better and I really enjoyed it with a zero slider set. For this game, NG, I'm working on some sliders to make the game more enjoyable and realistic. I know I'll never get to realistic, but I hope to make it enjoyable. I know it's a bit of a pain, but if u dig football enough and want an enjoyable game to play, I suggest starting with all pro and tweaking all sliders from there. From what I've read of your posts, I guarantee u will not enjoy this game on default Allmadden or default ALLPRO, but think u might find a nice mix starting with ALLPRO and tweaking from there. Good luck.


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[HingleMcCringleberry]

Quote: Originally Posted by OhMrHanky

Lol, I share your pain, brotha. I've seen a few of your posts and they speak volumes to the programming issues madden has. I will say that IMO, 13 played better and I really enjoyed it with a zero slider set. For this game, NG, I'm working on some sliders to make the game more enjoyable and realistic. I know I'll never get to realistic, but I hope to make it enjoyable. I know it's a bit of a pain, but if u dig football enough and want an enjoyable game to play, I suggest starting with all pro and tweaking all sliders from there. From what I've read of your posts, I guarantee u will not enjoy this game on default Allmadden or default ALLPRO, but think u might find a nice mix starting with ALLPRO and tweaking from there. Good luck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Already started trying All Pro. It's still just bad. My QB just overthrew a pass by throwing it literally almost 90 yards on the fly. It went from the 10 yard line to about the 15... So 85 yards about. And then 2 plays later he has an open guy only 15 yards on a go route and underthrows it by 7 yards to get it nearly picked off. The AI is horrible. on any difficulty setting. Just horrible. Nobody goes for pass deflections and everyone goes for picks, tacklers engage blockers they already shed instead of going for the ball carrier in a 1 on 1 drill, mediocre QBs throw for 80% on you, any running back can still get 150-200 yards on you consistently, and guys like Desean Jackson are running over linebackers they do not see coming.

I try to put some faith in the game but it's to the point where there is no light at the end of the tunnel. The only hope we can all have is that other companies get back in the game and ESPN stops hyping this game up every single commercial so that we can get competition back so everyone has a game for them. This is good for the arcade guy. It doesn't feel real at all, and every game feels like its against the same team. Once again going back to my belief that no matter what team you play you are playing the game against Madden only. I just threw my shoes across the house only to pick em up and throw em again because of this cringeworthy gameplay. It just isn't fun man. nothing else to say. And it's been that way for years. The last Madden game I actually enjoyed was 05. I played about 30 games of 2k that year too because my friend had it, and it was fantastic. It felt intense like an actual football game should. Madden doesn't have that intensity anymore. At least back then I could get the best of both worlds.

Every aspect of the game was just so much more in-depth... from create a fan, to the stadiums and new teams, to franchise mode having nearly everything. Scouting, drafting, multiple Free Agent Wires, Multiple coaches and scouts if i remember properly, you could choose captains, and there were more realistic stat increases and decreases depending on how a player played that year. It was so immersive that I played almost 15 years in my franchise which is more than I have in any game period. And then 06 came out with superstar mode or whatever, and it was fantastic... Interviews that affected your team play and everything, practices, training camp, performance institutes, and the wonderlic like test, choosing your parents... all of these having an effect on your player and your team. better agents giving you every perk imaginable, whereas worse agents would give you nothing. And now this CFM or CCM whatever it's called is in, and it doesn't even compare. You have no control over the game at all. Madden chooses captains, a rookie QB will throw 5 TDs and 25 Picks and get a 7 point stat boost because its his second year... Choosing a player does nothing at all, as its just the same as the poorly done franchise mode where you simply play games as one player instead of the team. Each mode (player, coach, owner) just gives you more control than the last, which is still very limited control... Even the last Madden I owned before that wonderful selection of games from 2005, which was M2000 on the old N64, was more entertaining than this. I know a good football game or several are possible because it has been done before. Madden, 2k, and blitz were all fun back in the day in their own way. So were backyard football and NFL street for that occasional "pick up game on the front lawn" feel. but with the way things have been going, they must change or else we will have the same cycle through another generation of gaming systems. I believe that I am just inspiring myself with false hope that the exclusivity license will end, and we will see something along the lines of "EA/Tiburon sign 7 year extension on exclusivity deal."

Sorry again for the nonsense ranting, I'm extra moody because I had to get a tooth removed and have been on pain meds all week. Can't even have a drink on New Years Eve man.

[OhMrHanky]

Heeheehee. It's all good, man. I was a huge fan of 2k and instantly saw they were leaps and bounds ahead of madden. I instantly switched to 2k on the old dreamcast. And, I barely remember playing 2k5, but I remember really liking it and knowing that that franchise was just going to keep getting better and more realistic . . . And then the bomb dropped and ea bought the exclusive NFL license. Dude, I was instantly pissed. I was loving 2k5 and knew madden was garbage compared to it. Madden didn't get anywhere near 2k5 until madden 10 for god sakes! It took em 5 years to produce something close to that caliber, and on a next gen system?? 2k5 on xbox is still better than almost every madden on 360. Ridiculous. But, as I've said, I actually think they went in the right direction with the infinity engine in 13, but not surprisingly, they took a step backwards with 25, IMO. I was completely disappointed with the demo when it came out. Did u play that? The demo was HORRIBLE!!! Graphics were funky and the play control was nonexistent. Holy cow, I don't know what the hell they were thinking putting that demo out. I almost didn't buy it, but of course, the football fan in me had to have the latest football game, so I bought it. It was better than demo, but definitely a step backwards which just drives u nuts when they finally make a decent product. A brand new game engine. And, this one actually feels like real players doing something. Now, if they can just build on that and keep polishing. And, instead, it's like they completely rebuilt the whole thing. U cannot honestly tell me that is the same infinity engine from 13. No way. I don't believe it. I can't. All of the animations look canned again. They're not organic. They're not unique. Uggghhh. Back to the drawing board. I think everyone's going to be waiting on pins and needles for the announcement of whether they get the exclusive license or not. I wonder when the deal runs out exactly. Like, what day. They need to have a countdown for that. Most likely, they'll get it again. And, of course, not only does that not spur innovation due to lack of competition, but how much money do they spend on that? That's gotta be huge. Apparently, too much money for them to buy quality game testers. Lol.


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[HingleMcCringleberry]

Quote: Originally Posted by OhMrHanky

Heeheehee. It's all good, man. I was a huge fan of 2k and instantly saw they were leaps and bounds ahead of madden. I instantly switched to 2k on the old dreamcast. And, I barely remember playing 2k5, but I remember really liking it and knowing that that franchise was just going to keep getting better and more realistic . . . And then the bomb dropped and ea bought the exclusive NFL license. Dude, I was instantly pissed. I was loving 2k5 and knew madden was garbage compared to it. Madden didn't get anywhere near 2k5 until madden 10 for god sakes! It took em 5 years to produce something close to that caliber, and on a next gen system?? 2k5 on xbox is still better than almost every madden on 360. Ridiculous. But, as I've said, I actually think they went in the right direction with the infinity engine in 13, but not surprisingly, they took a step backwards with 25, IMO. I was completely disappointed with the demo when it came out. Did u play that? The demo was HORRIBLE!!! Graphics were funky and the play control was nonexistent. Holy cow, I don't know what the hell they were thinking putting that demo out. I almost didn't buy it, but of course, the football fan in me had to have the latest football game, so I bought it. It was better than demo, but definitely a step backwards which just drives u nuts when they finally make a decent product. A brand new game engine. And, this one actually feels like real players doing something. Now, if they can just build on that and keep polishing. And, instead, it's like they completely rebuilt the whole thing. U cannot honestly tell me that is the same infinity engine from 13. No way. I don't believe it. I can't. All of the animations look canned again. They're not organic. They're not unique. Uggghhh. Back to the drawing board. I think everyone's going to be waiting on pins and needles for the announcement of whether they get the exclusive license or not. I wonder when the deal runs out exactly. Like, what day. They need to have a countdown for that. Most likely, they'll get it again. And, of course, not only does that not spur innovation due to lack of competition, but how much money do they spend on that? That's gotta be huge. Apparently, too much money for them to buy quality game testers. Lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Myself and likely many others think that 2k5 is still better gameplay wise from a sim standpoint than Madden now in 2014, and every year before that. 10 was a great jump ahead, but then everything backtracked and changed. How fitting would it be if they held a Lebron James style "I'm taking my talents to ____" type thing on ESPN for the exclusivity license? And as far as the testers go, tourney guys always have more of a say than sim guys. Sim players are more casual players with just a hardcore mindset when it comes to realism in sports games. I get pissed off when my QB passes for 700 yards in a game, because it would just never happen. Maybe if it is the guy I create as myself I would let it happen just once so I would secure the record. But still, you get the point. A lot of these MLG and Tourney guys think they are the face and the chosen ones when it comes to gaming, and think they are the greatest to ever grace the controller in the world. Therefore, they must have a Jon Gruden type knowledge when it comes to football since they win tourneys against other similar minded people. If a bad snap, a botched hold or any sort of realistic "human error" scenario takes place in a tourney, these guys will come after EA and they will never hear the end of it. They are bedroom "command center" nerds, not football players or fanatics and they don't understand the concepts of the game enough to succeed in a realistic football environment... And if they don't get what they want, they turn into a hybrid mixture between the spoiled whiny Eric Cartman fat kid and the Super Sweet 16 Drama Queens.

Of course I am making generalizations here but I have played Madden online in the past against these whiny type guys and when they would do really cheap things to exploit the glitches in the game, they would send messages to me calling me a "b*tch" and saying I should quit because I suck... and then when I would exploit the same flaws to come back and beat them later on, they would rant on about me being lucky and saying I cheated or whatever. Same with call of duty. I played with a ton of these MLG people all spent more time practicing the exploits and flaws than the actual game itself. And they knew all the flaws like the back of their hand. These guys invented the Drop Shot, 300 dollar modded controllers, and all the special layouts that cater to having unhuman KDs and what not. And if you manage to succeed against these guys making them have a KD less than 2.5 or whatever, they call you a camper and gang up to file reports on you in attempt to get you banned or something. I even had one guy who was mad that I was sniping or something in a backroom the whole game and killed him 10 times in Matchmaking, so he tried boxing me into corners in the game when he was on my team and spraying to grab attention to the area and get me killed. Sent me about 5 hate messages afterwards as well.

To get back on topic here...
I heard from somewhere that 2k was doing face scans this season for 2015. don't know if it is all hype or whatnot, but that could be good signs for things to come. Maybe with an end to this license another company can rise up from out of nowhere and make the most realistic NFL game imaginable, blowing both 2k and EA out of the water. too bad we will never know until this exclusive license ends, which the NFL likely has more control over than anyone.

[Moegames]

Quote: Originally Posted by myke5225

Just got it last night. I think the game plays so much better than current gen. I played a game in the snow and threw 2 picks due to my receivers falling down - it was glorious! It just feels better and I feel like I'm playing football. My two cents. Merry Christmas everyone!

much better game of football indeed