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LocDawg5050 · 01-20-2019, 11:20 AM

Do you guys feel like RPO can be successfully implemented in madden? I mean it would be how the option run is carried out. Hold the button to have the RB keep it in the zone run or wait for the passing icons to appear to throw.

Obviously the players decision would be to read what the defense is doing ie... are the LB showing the run stop or are CB playing soft.

But their needs to be variation of the play in the formation. I would assume see some sort of HOT call for the defense where they show blitz but actually stay in zone. Just something to counter the RPO call.

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cjacks17 · 01-20-2019, 11:25 AM

Pretty sure they had it in NCAA games.

It’s really annoying that it’s not in.

Honestly the playbooks need some serious work.

When Lamar Jackson took over for the ravens their playbook completely changed. It’s still not updated to show the new playsets so if you use the ravens you have to use another teams playbook.

Really only Carolina has the read option in multiple plays.

LocDawg5050 · 01-20-2019, 11:39 AM

I agree....the PB's need to be updated to what's being used in the NFL. Yeah some runs are in there but there is a lot more shifting and motions and pre sets that are happening to make the defense show their card.

Would like to see the fake snap used like it should be..not just to draw the DL offsides but i wanna see the blitzing defenses players take that step forward. The QB sees that and makes a hot adjustment.

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tg88forHOF · 01-20-2019, 02:14 PM

This has been discussed several times in the past.....true RPOs would basically require a full, ground-up AI rewrite, and thus aren't likely any time soon.

EA devs have talked publicly about this. What you described as "easy to implement" is purely from a user control perspective...AI is an entirely different critter.

The run block/pass block decision is a keystone AI trigger for (nearly) every other AI behavior; defensive player behavior especially is based on it. If simply dropped in as is, you'd get behavior like DBs simply freaking out and ignoring routes. Failed handoffs, the o line simply failing to move, receivers freaking out, etc. Draws work because nobody is going downfield to block first, and as it is, draws can cause some really weird AI behavior. A downfield route while the line is run blocking is straight out.

Those dependencies can be changed....but there are so many, you're 75% of the way to a full AI rewrite anyway, and you probably better do it to avoid some ridiculous code regressions.

And for the record, no, NCAA didn't have RPOs. They had some play-action plays where you could force a handoff instead. RPOs were in development on the NCAA engine (that was traditionally where EA did most of their new stuff), but it wasn't ready for NCAA 14, and the series was cancelled after that.

Some quick source articles....the SB Nation one in particular is a great read, and a strong example why EA needs to bring NCAA back, to improve Madden's quality if nothing else:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...ootball-madden

https://www.usgamer.net/articles/mad...ss-option-news

booker21 · 01-21-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cjacks17


	Pretty sure they had it in NCAA games. It’s really annoying that it’s not in. Honestly the playbooks need some serious work. When Lamar Jackson took over for the ravens their playbook completely changed. It’s still not updated to show the new playsets so if you use the ravens you have to use another teams playbook. Really only Carolina has the read option in multiple plays.

Don't hold your breath. We are still running the same plays for over 20 years.

EA add 2 or 3 formation and we are all YAY! but if you think about it is so sad

kennylc321 · 01-22-2019, 11:21 AM

The other part of it is the defense. You have to be able to implement a defense that can defend it

Jagsfan24 · 01-22-2019, 02:58 PM

Well being it deals with a play action fake kinda move, and in Madden this year most the time i do a play action i get sacked, so i am not sure if it can work. Maybe though, would be cool

LocDawg5050 · 01-24-2019, 11:59 AM

Jagsfan...i know its a lil off topic but i set my blocking to the roll out side. If i PA and roll out left...i set my block to that side...oddly enuff i get more time to pass.

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01-20-2019, 11:20 AM	#1
LocDawg5050 Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Jul 2012	RPO in Madden Do you guys feel like RPO can be successfully implemented in madden? I mean it would be how the option run is carried out. Hold the button to have the RB keep it in the zone run or wait for the passing icons to appear to throw. Obviously the players decision would be to read what the defense is doing ie... are the LB showing the run stop or are CB playing soft. But their needs to be variation of the play in the formation. I would assume see some sort of HOT call for the defense where they show blitz but actually stay in zone. Just something to counter the RPO call. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

01-20-2019, 11:25 AM	#2
cjacks17 Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Jun 2017	Re: RPO in Madden Pretty sure they had it in NCAA games. It’s really annoying that it’s not in. Honestly the playbooks need some serious work. When Lamar Jackson took over for the ravens their playbook completely changed. It’s still not updated to show the new playsets so if you use the ravens you have to use another teams playbook. Really only Carolina has the read option in multiple plays. mathey270, AlvinM_23 and LocDawg5050 like this.

01-20-2019, 11:39 AM	#3
LocDawg5050 Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Jul 2012	Re: RPO in Madden I agree....the PB's need to be updated to what's being used in the NFL. Yeah some runs are in there but there is a lot more shifting and motions and pre sets that are happening to make the defense show their card. Would like to see the fake snap used like it should be..not just to draw the DL offsides but i wanna see the blitzing defenses players take that step forward. The QB sees that and makes a hot adjustment. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk martz28 likes this.

01-20-2019, 02:14 PM	#4
tg88forHOF Pro OVR: 0 Join Date: Jun 2018	Re: RPO in Madden This has been discussed several times in the past.....true RPOs would basically require a full, ground-up AI rewrite, and thus aren't likely any time soon. EA devs have talked publicly about this. What you described as "easy to implement" is purely from a user control perspective...AI is an entirely different critter. The run block/pass block decision is a keystone AI trigger for (nearly) every other AI behavior; defensive player behavior especially is based on it. If simply dropped in as is, you'd get behavior like DBs simply freaking out and ignoring routes. Failed handoffs, the o line simply failing to move, receivers freaking out, etc. Draws work because nobody is going downfield to block first, and as it is, draws can cause some really weird AI behavior. A downfield route while the line is run blocking is straight out. Those dependencies can be changed....but there are so many, you're 75% of the way to a full AI rewrite anyway, and you probably better do it to avoid some ridiculous code regressions. And for the record, no, NCAA didn't have RPOs. They had some play-action plays where you could force a handoff instead. RPOs were in development on the NCAA engine (that was traditionally where EA did most of their new stuff), but it wasn't ready for NCAA 14, and the series was cancelled after that. Some quick source articles....the SB Nation one in particular is a great read, and a strong example why EA needs to bring NCAA back, to improve Madden's quality if nothing else: https://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...ootball-madden https://www.usgamer.net/articles/mad...ss-option-news Haze88, patsfan1993, Big Bankhead and 3 others like this. Last edited by tg88forHOF; 01-20-2019 at 02:55 PM.

01-22-2019, 11:21 AM	#6
kennylc321 Pro OVR: 0 Join Date: Aug 2018	Re: RPO in Madden The other part of it is the defense. You have to be able to implement a defense that can defend it underdog13 likes this.

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01-22-2019, 02:58 PM	#7
Jagsfan24 MVP OVR: 0 Join Date: Mar 2016	Re: RPO in Madden Well being it deals with a play action fake kinda move, and in Madden this year most the time i do a play action i get sacked, so i am not sure if it can work. Maybe though, would be cool

01-24-2019, 11:59 AM	#8
LocDawg5050 Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Jul 2012	Re: RPO in Madden Jagsfan...i know its a lil off topic but i set my blocking to the roll out side. If i PA and roll out left...i set my block to that side...oddly enuff i get more time to pass. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk roadman likes this.

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