Madden 09 isn't so bad.

[CapnKill]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bgamer90

Madden 09 has it problems (just like any other football game) but it's pretty good imo. When I think of "terrible" I think of Madden 06/07 for the 360. Madden 09 was far from terrible imo.

Only reason why Madden 09 seems to be "not so bad" is cause 06, 07 and 08 were complete garbage.... so 09 in comparison looks like a golden god.... however, its far from it.

[CapnKill]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigpapa_bliss

I love Madden 09 fpr 360 (Madden player since 89) - The Robo QB and CPU running probs are fixable with ALOT of roster editing, which made the game ALOT of fun. Obviously alot needs to be done, but I felt 09 version was first version since "next generation" systems, that shined. FG nets finally, stat overlays and 2 announcers was nice. I also think its the game mode you play (online vs franchise). I only care about playing 1 season w/my favorite team and winning the Superbowl (and hopefully get a celebration!) ..thats it.. no online, no multiple seasons. So I'm easier to please than a "Full Franchise" player, who needs NCAA classes, etc, and everything else. There will be a ton of complaints after 2010 is released too. But sometimes you just need to kick back and realize just how good you have it (or load the Madden 93 version for Genesis off of Collectors Edition)

We complain about the lack of features and such, but no complaint rings louder than the fact that gameplay is not good! Gameplay will always be the #1 thing that determines the quality of a Madden game.

[PGaither84]

Quote: Originally Posted by raphael

just watched your video. what's your point exactly, madden 09 only sucks a little bit?

I am sick and tired of people complaining that you cant play a sim game on Madden 09 and that it is crap because there are things that you can do to exploite the game and wha wha.

When I see videos and comments about people complaining about geting intercepted by a MLB when who is 15 yards away from their intended target becasue they threw a bullet with lead up, i can't help but scream to myself "WHY DID YOU THROW A BULLET?!?" There are so many BAD Madden players out there who don't understand the finer points of the passing and running game and then when they do something wrong they blame the game.

I agree that the rocket catch is garbage. then I read how people want to throw jump balls and passes to Fitz like in the Panthers game, but Fitz was effectively ROCKET CATCHING. The real problem is that there is no effective counter to the rocket catch and that the rocket catch is too easy to perform. The Rocket Catch should require more skill by the user than turning around and holding Y when the ball is close. The Rocket Catch should also only be effecive with top notch recivers like Fitz aand Moss and the like. Defenders should also attack the jumping reciver and only the best ones should hold onto the ball when hit hard. As it stands the worst reciver in the game can do the Rocket Catch AND take the hit and hold on.

Players complain about the FB dive and the QB sneek. The QB sneek has no real counter short of a player mistake or a fumble. the other problem is that real NFL QBs try to fall/push forward and go down. in madden they just take the ball and run for it, not dive. the FB dive was broken becasue of the things Ian described and I am sure they are fixed. the FB dive is a powerful short yardage play in real life. It is just TOO good in 09.

So many times i see "Oh people do unrealistic things in madden and that makes the game unrealistic." yes it is the games fault that many people online think they are Fran Tarkington. The flaw is that QBs shouldn't be as accurate as Fran Tarkington. That, and the playmaker stick is too strong. When people do un-sim things, un-sim things happen, CRAZY!

When you try to play a sim game and un-sim things happen, ie.; collision detection problems, then there is a problem. People will exploit the artificial intellegence to get an advantage.

One of the videos I watched, the player threw a terrible bullet pass adn the reciver had to slow down and spin to make the catch. The user then was complaining that speed means nothing and hat his player was in good position and that madden cheated him on the play and on and on. Never once realizing that he hrew the WRONG pass and that somenice touch on the ball would have led his reciver in stride and he would have scored. his mistake, not Madden's. Madden did what it was told. throw a hard low pass and that altered the timming of the play and the route screwing him up. but obvously that's the games fault he told it to do that.

We have been brought up in other games of madden to think that you shoudl lay hard on the sprint and to bullet most every pass. This isn't the case anymore and you need to stop yelling at EA and the Madden crew becasue it doesn't work like that anymore.

[BayAreaRYder226]

I still play *shrugs*

[PGaither84]

Quote: Originally Posted by Derrville

Your defending those vids? And theres a vid of Orlando Pace Catching passes. whats that tell you?

I agree that the ratting curve is busted in a lot of areas and the second video is out right proof that a lot of those rattings do "mean nothing" but o say they all mean nothing, make the worst QB you can and play with him. tell me they ALL mean NOTHING.

and, again, in responce to the Issac Bruce Video, what did the defenders do wrong? they ALL were playing a basic man coverage. the REAL issue is that none of them recognized that there were 10 other guys in coverage as well adn they would start playing a ZONE like buble around him where ever he goes. What more do you want from the AI than to do its job? You tell it to play Man, they all played man. Bruce's route running was better than their man coverage ratting and it looks to me like a user catch anyway. Am I wrong?

[PGaither84]

In Madden you can changes a players position and make him have a worse overall ratting. then you go to resign him in the ofseason for very little money becasue he is terrible at his position. Now you changes his position back so he is good. Is that sim? No. It's the games fault that you chose to cheat the system. maybe you shouldn't be abel to change players positions? No that's not sim either. What is the solution? You change the way a player asks for money. You have to allow players overall to play aPART in the contract, ala Head Coach.

Ian and his crew are using the Three step process to fixing Madden.

Step one: Identify the problem.
Step two: Fix it!
Step three: Repeat steps one and two untill it's all FIXED.

[Vikes1]

Granted theres nothing I can do about Madden '09' being just plain boring to play.

But if it at least had cpu sliders [that were affective] the game could have been salvaged. I'm speaking only for myself.

[jerseyjay14]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bgamer90

Madden 09 has it problems (just like any other football game) but it's pretty good imo. When I think of "terrible" I think of Madden 06/07 for the 360. Madden 09 was far from terrible imo.

i respect your opinion but in my mind madden 09 was a pretty terrible game.

yes madden 06 on next gen was probably worse... but when you consider that was the first version on next gen it gets cut some slack.

madden 09 was the 4th next gen version of the game and it still was a terrible game. the gameplay stunk, it lacked feature weve had for years, there were a good share of bugs and glitches, and online leagues where a joke.... other then graphics, the game really has nothing going for it.

its easily one of the 2 or 3 worst maddens to ever come out