Defensive Line Play in Madden / APF2K8

[JHova1982]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

If Madden isn't far off, I'm not sure what it's close to. If you watch, there is no pocket, guys stand up and pretty much react to anything in their general area, moving out of their lanes, or back towards the QB (the squishing effect I mentioned earlier). Regardless of the on field execution, the one thing that truly separates the games is APF2K8's ability for players to call their DLine play before their actual play. A proper DLine play can stop a run by plugging a gap, or setup a hot blitz by opening up a lane. With the current Madden '09 implementation your DLine play is left to the mercy of whoever designed the play you are calling and is the same game in and game out.

i totally agree with that. who ever invented that idea in the 2k football team was a genius and im sure IMO in real life that the defensive line gets different assignment than the actual play being called

[tonynyy]

Good stuff guys. All Pro definitely has it. EA should just bring in an Offensive Line coach and use him as a consultant. Maybe Howard Mudd, since he's retired?

[Sauk]

Quote: Originally Posted by LBzrule

Actually their BOB protection logic is pretty damn good. I'm not fond of the slide protection though. It is a full slide and in the NFL if you do that on a consistent basis you will get your players feeling sorry for themselves, because they are gonna be without a job, sorry for the fans because they have to watch this sad display, and poor QB is going to die. They need half line slides and let the back side stay man on man, like so: Here you get the Will backer walked up to the line and the Center declares weakside help. So now the Tackle steps out and picks up the Will, the Guard steps to the DE and the Center steps to the DT. On the backside the G and Tackle are in big on big (BOB). In Madden the entire line would slide weak and unless you leave that TE in to block that back side DE comes in unabated.

Pretty good illustration there.

A good protection always protects the inside first, inside to outside. So to have a back on the inside is a touch scary. Usually you will have that RT look for the blitz while the back helps him on his outside. So he will pick up the end in the case the LB will come.

Again most time if a team is sliding like that they are going to be hot throws and not long 5 step throws. But you always protect the inside first. Besides if both the M and S blitz if the tackle slides down he will just create a nice big pile of people so that the inside is secure.

Anyways good drawing

[Captain Obvious]

damnit i wish ian would chime in and tell us hows it going with some videos to back it up so he can put us at ease. this is the single biggest beef ive had with madden FOREVER.

[noplace]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tito78

Did you go to community day ?

Nope. Didnt need too. One thing EA has been is consistant.

[grunt]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sauk

Pretty good illustration there. A good protection always protects the inside first, inside to outside. So to have a back on the inside is a touch scary. Usually you will have that RT look for the blitz while the back helps him on his outside. So he will pick up the end in the case the LB will come. Again most time if a team is sliding like that they are going to be hot throws and not long 5 step throws. But you always protect the inside first. Besides if both the M and S blitz if the tackle slides down he will just create a nice big pile of people so that the inside is secure. Anyways good drawing

Good post. Are you saying the rt would be responsible for an inside blitz?

[rhombic21]

In addition to the things that have been discussed here, one of the things that needs to change is the psychic ability of linemen on one side of the formation to peel back and pick up blitzers coming from the complete opposite side of the formation, which really neuters a lot of the zone blitzes. Like you'll have blitzes where you drop a DE on one side off, and bring a slot corner or safety off the other side, and the tackle that was originally responsible for the DE will, at the snap of the ball, turn and run at a perfect angle to pick up the blitzer.

If you play around with it, it's clear that the OL is basically psychic in it's ability to identify which players are blitzing and which aren't. You can counteract it somewhat by manually "fake" blitzing (rushing in briefly and then dropping back into coverage), and some plays have DEs who do those sort of assignments by default, which will cause the pressure to get there, but it's still ridiculous to watch an OT peel back and block a nickleback coming off the edge on the complete opposite side of the formation. And this will happen regardless of ratings, so it's not even a skill issue.

Last year (08) the blitzing defenses gave the OL huge problems because they didn't have slide protection. This year, they went way too far in making the OL able to recognize blitzes on the fly. They need to have the OL pass block logic basically be the same as last year, and add in the slide protections as they were implemented on last-gen.

[NYGmen56]

Quote: Originally Posted by JHova1982

i totally agree with that. who ever invented that idea in the 2k football team was a genius and im sure IMO in real life that the defensive line gets different assignment than the actual play being called

Agree... Does anyone know who the dev's where for the 2k football series?? Who ever they where, much props.. Seriously, 2k must of went out and got themselves MIT engineers or something to build their game lol.. Just amazing how they did all that 5 years ago. Imagine what they could of done now?? Damn..