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  • RayAllen20
    MVP
    • Jun 2009
    • 1825

    #1

    Madden needs a new throwing system

    The vision cone was a genius idea but they couldn't execute it effectively. The passing system now fails to show a QB looking at recievers, changing reads, and looking off defenders. So is an idea for changing it up.

    The Superstar camera. We use the superstar camera and the right stick to change views. This way you can look at a reciever at one end of the field only to turn at the complete other side of the field. The defenders will be aware of your vision so you can look them off and pumpfake and freeze them. This would be an amazing way of seperating great QBs compared to bad ones and rookies. Peyton Manning would be able to change his vision easily and may even be zoomed farther back so he can see wider. Now rookies have problems with going through his reads. He will barely look away from his first read. When you change his view it will be blurry for a couple seconds making the read harder. This with the differential in accuracy would have complete realism. You could also have an actual blind side if you are looking to the right and get pressure from behind, and not see it coming and BOOM fumble. Now that would be realism. On defense you have the normal view but you can still watch the Qbs eyes and he'll still have a blindside. Imagine playing against Peyton Manning one week where you can't stop him because he is confusing your defenders by looking all over the field and pumpfaking. Then playing against Sanchez who is just staring at his primary reciever on every play.

    With this though we'd need a smarter throw away system. Pressing the right stick and a recievers icon will causethe QB to throw it at the ground near the reciever. High awareness QBs will throw it well while a low awareness QB might once in a while make a mistake and it will be intentional grounding or a possible interception.

    While were talking about a new passing system there should be a new rating. Pocket Awareness. Ben Roethlisberger should be more aware the pocket is collapsing and escape it although he will most likely hold on to it for too long. Tom Brady should sometimes become a robo Qb. While lower qBs won't realize it and get sacked more often.

    That's it. Tell me if you like the idea. Add to it u want and comment.
    I will always, always be a Jets fan. But trust me it hurts.
  • steveo
    Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 467

    #2
    Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

    First, the superstar angle sucks. It's way too hard to get an idea of depth.

    Second, the problem with an idea like this is that you need time and the game doesn't offer you much time to throw as it is. If they changed the blocking to actually work then it could work but doubtful.

    The reality is there will never be a "realistic" representation of passing in a game at least not on these systems and any in the forseeable future. It's simply too hard to try and mimic. Maybe if we had virtual reality helmets but with a controller looking at a video image? No thanks.

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    • Matt23134
      Rookie
      • Aug 2009
      • 418

      #3
      Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

      Don't quote me on this but I believe Backbreaker is trying to offer something like this.

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      • 18manning18
        Rookie
        • Sep 2005
        • 135

        #4
        Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

        The original poster's idea is simply genius. Not perfect of course but what is, I don't think you should make anything go blurry but moving the camera basically with the right stick not only removes that unsightly cone but it simplifies things. And to the poster who said madden doesn't allow you the time do use this idea effectively, i say that's one of the things that make the idea awesome. You should basically know where your recievers are gonna be without having to actually look at them, that's what the great quarterbacks do anyways. This could also be implemented into throwing on the run. A guy with good throwing on the run could zoom out more letting him see all his options, whilst a quarterback who sucks at it might zoom in more so you might not see as many options as fast.

        The second part i really like about your idea if throwing the ball away. This is pretty much broken in my opinion because you have to scramble out of the pocket just to get rid of the ball. I understand the nfl rules but you have to understand Peyton manning often throws the ball at a receivers feet if theres simply nobody open. We should be able to do this too instead of choosing between forcing a pass or scrambling and risking a fumble.

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        • JohnnyNutman
          Rookie
          • Apr 2009
          • 234

          #5
          Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

          i liked the vision cone. i just think it was stupid how small the cone would get for crapper QBs. its fine that manning, brady or favre could see almost the whole field, but even jp losman or david carr can see half the field (or at least a 1/3). sometimes the cone was too small that it barely covered one reciever. if it at least covered a couple of recievers (on even the worst qbs) then it might be more fair.
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          • darthlaidher
            Banned
            • Aug 2009
            • 503

            #6
            Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

            if the cone comes back im gonna be pissed. i think its fine as it is, but double tap would be ok.

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            • erictaylor
              Rookie
              • Aug 2009
              • 38

              #7
              Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

              I've had zero problems with throws...

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              • DerkontheOS
                MVP
                • Jul 2009
                • 3136

                #8
                Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

                Originally posted by darthlaidher
                if the cone comes back im gonna be pissed. i think its fine as it is, but double tap would be ok.
                Double tap?....I liked the vision cone, because it gave you a reason to sit that rookie quarterback with low awareness and try to groom him into a starter.

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                • darthlaidher
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 503

                  #9
                  Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

                  Originally posted by DerkontheOS
                  Double tap?....I liked the vision cone, because it gave you a reason to sit that rookie quarterback with low awareness and try to groom him into a starter.
                  yeah like double tap the receiver u want to throw to.

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                  • JMBOO
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 338

                    #10
                    Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

                    The problem is that as long as Madden sells, it will stay as is. And you can take that to the bank.

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                    • RayAllen20
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 1825

                      #11
                      Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

                      Originally posted by erictaylor
                      I've had zero problems with throws...
                      I know because its too easy and unrealistic for defenders. Defenders dont know where Im looking so I can just stare down my primary reciever all day without linebackers knowing it. I know the accuracy seperating the great QBs and the bad QBs is great but this would really seperate them phenomally.

                      In Madden 10 I can take a rookie QB and win the superbowl. Rookie QBs are the worst defensive readers in the game. They barely look past their first read and have a lot of trouble if he is not open. If you have sports illustrated read the article with Palmer, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Romo, and Rodgers talking about the hardest position in sports. Right now in Madden its not hard at all.

                      And for the person that says as long as Madden sells it wont change. Madden is not selling well right now. They need drastic changes this year.
                      I will always, always be a Jets fan. But trust me it hurts.

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                      • Jump
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 603

                        #12
                        Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

                        Originally posted by steveo
                        First, the superstar angle sucks. It's way too hard to get an idea of depth.
                        lol. People have been spoiled by "God view" for way too long.

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                        • BroMontana82
                          Support Sim
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 2225

                          #13
                          Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

                          yeah there really needs to be a way to throw the ball at the receiver's feet or over their heads out of bounds on purpose. not only would this make things more realistic, but it force people to stay in the pocket, which is a good thing.

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                          • Hawkeye9999
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 7

                            #14
                            Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

                            Microsoft's Project Natal would work perfect for this (assuming the camera actually works). It could track your head (allowing your head to control some version of the vision cone) without interfering with the controller controls. Playstation eye might be able to do the same thing.

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                            • darthlaidher
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 503

                              #15
                              Re: Madden needs a new throwing system

                              Originally posted by Hawkeye9999
                              Microsoft's Project Natal would work perfect for this (assuming the camera actually works). It could track your head (allowing your head to control some version of the vision cone) without interfering with the controller controls. Playstation eye might be able to do the same thing.

                              only problem i see with that is when you move your head you would have to keep your eyes on the screen while moving your head and that would make it a little tricky to focus on one receiver, i think you'd need a massive tv screen that would surround you sort of like a flight simulator for it to work, or multiple monitors. and besides its by microsoft that would leave the ps3 out, and i dont think EA would make madden a exclusive to xbox because u cant offer one feature to one a console and not to the other, and im talking about next gen consoles not like the ps2 because i know things are left out in that game.

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