Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

[da ThRONe]

For alot of fans of both NCAA and Madden(me included) importing the draft class from one to the other is huge. As of know the logic behind importing draft classes are random at best.

There are some rating that arent even close to a guys college ratings. On occasions I have move QB's over with 97 THP on to have their THP be in the 60's on Madden. I dont even know how this is possible. For a player to lose sometimes as much as 30 points on such a tangible skill.

I dont understand how something like this can slip through the cracks. I would like more attention paid to this aspect of the game. So hopefully for Madden 11 there is some kind logic for importing draft classes.

[cletusdog]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

this aspect of the game has absolutely ruined it for me this year.
Import drafts are my favorite feature. I like a fairly realistic outcome. This nonsense that they've given us this year is just trash and I can't get into it at all.
It's very frustrating.
The only quick fix that I can see to it is allowing us to edit the draft class pre and post draft.
If people don't want that, simple, don't edit.

[havokeff]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

I'm not seeing the problem here.
Look at real life. Look at how many players from each draft actually make it in the NFL.
Having a lot of players, even the top flight players, from each class not pan out is perfectly realistic.

[TomBrady]

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Agreed. But still, one doesn't go from 99 top speed in college, to 82 top speed in NFL IRL. (Like Trindon Holliday did for me from NCAA to Madden)

[havokeff]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

Why? Being the fastest person in college, does not automatically mean you are the fastest person in the NFL.

[ridemooses]

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I agree with both, if you are fast in college that doesn't make you fast in the NFL; it's all relative. However, a player like Holliday should be fast in the NFL too because he is an amazing athlete and a track star. They need to figure out a better system of changing the stats from NCAA to Madden. Maybe have a performance based NFL Combine so someone like Holliday will run a 4.3 40 because he's got natural speed.

I think until EA realizes that stats fluctuate throughout the NFL season with injuries, progression and strength and conditioning, this game will never be realistic.

[CJS_OS]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

Why? Being the fastest person in college, does not automatically mean you are the fastest person in the NFL.

But it means you're slower overall?

[havokeff]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

What is the difference in a 99 to an 82? Assuming a 99 is a 4.25 (which varies) and an 82 is a 4.50 you are literally talking about tenths of a second. And still, that is 40 speed. Game speed is completely different thing.

Again, there is really no problem with the drop.

[cletusdog]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

yes, absolutely there are draft busts. what these imported classes are doing is making the top college stars busts before the draft even begins.

= 0 fun

[havokeff]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

Which is exactly like real life. The difference is that you know their 'stats'.
Peyton Manning comes out of college into the NFL with an 84 rating, while Ryan Leaf comes in with a 64. One is a bust, one isn't, and no matter how much they play, it is going to be that way. Yet, coming out of college, they were both 99s.
See, just like real life.

[nacnud]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

The OP has a point, if you have a strong arm, you have a strong arm. Jamarcus russel has a strong arm regardless if he's throwing in the nfl or ncaa. Percy Harvin is fast in the nfl or ncaa. They should fix it.

[cletusdog]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

No, Bradford and Clausen, for example, are the top 2 pro rated QBs. they are the top 2 QBs rated in my NCAA. they are both rated 96 or higher. i've changed their height weight to play the madden draft game.
when i get to the draft, one is projected a 5th rounder, the other is a 7th.

this is how madden is creating busts before the draft

show me a time in history where a top college QB falls to the 5th - 7th round. I'm not talking about a noodle arm like Gino Torreta, Ken Dorsey or even possibly a Tebow. These guys, bradford and claussen have arm strength ratings in NCAA that should be plenty to go along with all of their other attributes.

if a player is a bust, i draft him high and he just never progresses or even gets worse. Madden has it backwards.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

Which is exactly like real life. The difference is that you know their 'stats'.
Peyton Manning comes out of college into the NFL with an 84 rating, while Ryan Leaf comes in with a 64. One is a bust, one isn't, and no matter how much they play, it is going to be that way. Yet, coming out of college, they were both 99s.
See, just like real life.

What you seem to fail to realize is what makes a players bust now-a-days with all these work outs and drills or intangible things. If you can throw a ball 80yards in college you dont go to the pros and only throw it 55yards. If you can benchpress 600 you dont go down to 350 when you leave one level. We are talking about tangible skills. Speed can be measured and a 4.3 flat is the same in high school as it is in college and the same goes for the pros.

Things like AWR I can understand taking a monster hit at the next level. BCV, PBF, or even BKT or THA all make some sense. If C.J. Spiller ends up a bust in the pros it wont be because he forgot how to run fast.

[cletusdog]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

Which is exactly like real life. The difference is that you know their 'stats'.
Peyton Manning comes out of college into the NFL with an 84 rating, while Ryan Leaf comes in with a 64. One is a bust, one isn't, and no matter how much they play, it is going to be that way. Yet, coming out of college, they were both 99s.
See, just like real life.

according to Madden, Leaf is now projected in the 6th round, so he really isn't a bust right? he was just a 6th rounder

[mburke2]

Re: Importing draft logic for Madden 11.

I agree with the OP that tangible attributes should not be decreased drastically when a player transitions from college to the NFL. A QB who has a strong arm in college will also have a strong arm in the NFL. His accuracy ratings will most likely take a hit and his AWR as well, but arm strength will not decrease. I think the trouble is when you get into attributes such as speed and strength because of the ratings being relative. Fast players in college will also be fast in the NFL, but the ratings need to reflect the better competition in the NFL. For example, if a CB say has a 99 speed in NCAA, he may not be a 99 in Madden because he won't necessarily come into the league and be the fastest player and the ratings are relative to the competition. Maybe the 99 speed NCAA player has a 95 or 96 speed in Madden. But these little drop offs should have little to no effect on highly-rated players in NCAA being projected to be 5th-7th round picks, which I think is the overall point being made.