Madden NFL 11 Blog: Locomotion w/ Videos and L.T. Screenshot

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

I don't know why everyone keeps saying the technology is unproven. It's proven. It's been used in The Force Unleashed, and another little game called Grand Theft Auto 4. The technology is available, and proven. EA simply chose not to use it.

its unproven in sports games. Which is why everyone..including EA, will be keeping a close eye on Backbreaker and seeing how well it works, especially given the length of time that BB has been in production.

[cdk10]

Wonder if the new locomotion is going to help with the DBs that can backpedal all the way down the field with your WR that are running full speed down the field???

[huskerwr38]

I remember Ian saying stuff about how he saw Backbreaker videos and didn't think the game could ever work (or something to that effect) with Euphoria. Players wouldnt be able to break tackles, they would just fall over if someone just touched them. I also know that he has said that he hopes it does work. But my question is why do you think he said that he didn't think Euphoria wouldn't work with football.

[coogrfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

I don't know why everyone keeps saying the technology is unproven. It's proven. It's been used in The Force Unleashed, and another little game called Grand Theft Auto 4. The technology is available, and proven. EA simply chose not to use it.

Apples and oranges, anyone?

[Jimixiii]

Quote: Originally Posted by huskerwr38

I remember Ian saying stuff about how he saw Backbreaker videos and didn't think the game could ever work (or something to that effect) with Euphoria. Players wouldnt be able to break tackles, they would just fall over if someone just touched them. I also know that he has said that he hopes it does work. But my question is why do you think he said that he didn't think Euphoria wouldn't work with football.

I remember him saying that very well, but he was dead wrong. Now he's practically the spokes person for EA/Madden & EA chose to embrace their Pro-Tak idea instead of trying Euphoria, so obviously being the spokeman Ian has to be for whatever EA chooses, he had to sell us on Pro-Tak. Whether it was just feedback he received from other EA execs or what he saw 1st hand at the time about Euphoria, it was incorrect information about the physics in Euphoria because Backbacker videos have been showing their fair share of broken tackles.

[Valdarez]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

its unproven in sports games. Which is why everyone..including EA, will be keeping a close eye on Backbreaker and seeing how well it works, especially given the length of time that BB has been in production.

A game is a game, the fact that you add sports in front of it changes nothing.

Quote: Originally Posted by huskerwr38

I remember Ian saying stuff about how he saw Backbreaker videos and didn't think the game could ever work (or something to that effect) with Euphoria. Players wouldnt be able to break tackles, they would just fall over if someone just touched them. I also know that he has said that he hopes it does work. But my question is why do you think he said that he didn't think Euphoria wouldn't work with football.

They could code the break tackles in there and it would have ProTak pretty much from the ground up, albeit without the silly 9 man group hugs. If anyone has the video or the post where Ian talks about Euphoria and says it won't work, I'd definitely like to read it. Because that's pure bull. It might be that they can't plug it in to the existing system, which could be true based on the way their game works with the motion capture / rendering / game logic and such. Euhporia might not be a plug and play library, but something you build from the ground up upon. I'm sure there's a LOT of pressure to not rebuild Madden from management who wants to keep costs down (remember, EA said they put less money into research for sports game than any other segment), but to keep building on what they have used for the last 15 years and just make it better.

[K_GUN]

I still haven't seen it in a sports game

unproven to me

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

A game is a game, the fact that you add sports in front of it changes nothing.

it changes everything. I don't remember a time playing GTA 4(didn't play The Force Unleashed) where a guy was trying to tackle another person who was trying to juke him out of shoes and then was trying to break the tackle while others were piling on. Euphoria is a great technology, but even though it is, it doesn't qualify it as being an engine that works for every genre of game. If it was, EA, 2k, SCEA, THQ, amongst others who produce sports video games would be all over it.

Thats why I stated that everyone(at least those who produce sports games) will be paying attention to how well received Backbreaker is amongst the gaming community in terms of the Euphoria engine.