Madden NFL 12 Has Rated Four Players at 99. Overrated? Who Missed the Cut?

[BigSpleen]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ronnie brown23

nnamdi isnt a 99 overall. wat a joke

prob one of the best man to man cover corners ever? how is that a joke?

[crenk]

My bro and I have been playing a 2 man franchise on madden 09 ps2 for the last couple of years. If memory serves we are in year 7 and I alone have something like 8 or 9 players ranked 99, he has about the same. Probably another 20-30 in the league. I think 5 or 6 Qb's are 99 etc. I Hope the progression in madden 12 limits it so after a few years we aren't overloaded with talent. Way better to get a 99 on your roster an feel like you really have a special player imo

[BigSpleen]

Quote: Originally Posted by PaPZ187

Nnamdi is an excellent player, and IMO should be a 98 if Revis is a 99. The reason that Revis sees more passes his way is because he follows the opponents top weapon no matter where he lines up (left, right, slot, etc.) so if you want your best player involved you have to go through Revis (just ask Reggie Wayne in the playoffs - 1 catch for 1 yard!). As great a player as Aso is, to avoid him you just line up your top WR on the opposite side of him and its as easy as that. Revis plays straight man to man the majority of the time without any help over the top and will cover you in the slot and/or either side of the field where as Aso is limited in that regard. Again, not taking anything away from Aso as he and Revis are the ONLY 2 true shutdown CBs going today, just IMO (and plenty of others from GMs to analysts to current players and coaches) Revis is slightly better overall.

revis also has safety help and exotic zone coverage to help. ASo was one on one with fits last year and fitz was invisible, no safety help nothing. Sorry, Aso is the best Cb in the league.

the raiders moved around aso a lot more on #1 WR last year.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Palo20

It's not that Nnandi doesn't cover number 1 WRs, it's just that he always plays RCB. If the number 1 lines up on the left, he covers him. Nnandi and Revis are both special players. Using 2009 as an example, Revis covered all number 1 WRs on the opposing team and when he was thrown at, QBs had a rating of about 32.0. That was Brady to Moss, Schaub to Johnson, Manning to Wayne (for one half), Ryan to White, Matt Moore to Steve Smith, Brees to whomever Revis covered that day, etc. Revis was thrown at as much as any CB in the league and held those combos to a rating of 32.0. Was he helped by a good pass rush? Yes, but those numbers are ludicrous. He made those guys worse than Jamarcus Russell. Now also in 2009, Nnandi was thrown at less than 2 times per game (Revis saw over 120 passes his way) . Nnadi was right around 30 throws his way. That's legitimately shutting down half the field. Obviously other teams were showing him serious respect because he's that good. I just think Revis is a once in a generation talent to do what he is doing in the most pass happy time in league history. And for the record, Routt had an outstanding season last year. He should have a high rating.

I'll say this about Revis, I have seen him frustrate big big time opposing WR's with no help more than I have seen any CB since Deion. That includes guys like Aso and Champ Bailey, etc.

Aso is a great player, bar none the 2nd best cover corner in the league, but Revis in what I have seen is simply at a different level. He's that good imo. I thought he was off a bit early last year, but the holdout and a hamstring injury I think put him behind, but he seemed to get stronger as the season progressed.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by BigSpleen

revis also has safety help and exotic zone coverage to help. ASo was one on one with fits last year and fitz was invisible, no safety help nothing. Sorry, Aso is the best Cb in the league.

That's not really true. They play a ton of zero coverage, or play 1 coverage with safety help on the other side so they can load the box and do all that whacky stuff up front. Revis is alone on an island as much as anyone.

I've seen him now twice frustrate Vincent Jackson like no other including Aso, and he did a number on Andre Johnson unlike I have ever seen.

[BigSpleen]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

I'll say this about Revis, I have seen him frustrate big big time opposing WR's with no help more than I have seen any CB since Deion. That includes guys like Aso and Champ Bailey, etc. Aso is a great player, bar none the 2nd best cover corner in the league, but Revis in what I have seen is simply at a different level. He's that good imo. I thought he was off a bit early last year, but the holdout and a hamstring injury I think put him behind, but he seemed to get stronger as the season progressed.

Except Aso is better. The raiderrs DID in fact use Aso a lot more on just #1 receivers and moved him around. he made Larry Fitzgeral dissappear last year all game. No safety helop, ever always 1 on 1, Revis does not play man to man 1 on 1, he almost always has safety help and other exptic coverages to help him.

Aso statistically has had 2 of the best years a cb can have in shutting down receivers.

[BigSpleen]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

That's not really true. They play a ton of zero coverage, or play 1 coverage with safety help on the other side so they can load the box and do all that whacky stuff up front. Revis is alone on an island as much as anyone. I've seen him now twice frustrate Vincent Jackson like no other including Aso, and he did a number on Andre Johnson unlike I have ever seen.

Aso does that weekly.... Reggie wayne 1 catch, a diving 1 at that as ASo was all over him. larry fitzgerald.... Same. Whats your point?

Again, no one plays man to man and leaves the CB alone like the raiders do. Revis has a lot more help then NAm ever had.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by BigSpleen

Except Aso is better. The raiderrs DID in fact use Aso a lot more on just #1 receivers and moved him around. he made Larry Fitzgeral dissappear last year all game. No safety helop, ever always 1 on 1, Revis does not play man to man 1 on 1, he almost always has safety help and other exptic coverages to help him. Aso statistically has had 2 of the best years a cb can have in shutting down receivers.

Defensive stats particularly in the secondary are a lot of hokum.

Again the Jets play a TON of zero coverage. Or basically man/free rolled to Cromartie's side. But they have so much confidence in the two CB's they play zero coverage a lot. How do you think they are able to run those overload, and underneath zone blitzes?

The notion that Revis gets a ton of safety help is false. Their front's and blitzes are exotic, but their coverage in the secondary is pretty vanilla. You'll see a robber techinque occasionally, but that defense is predicated on pressue man coverage on the perimeter which allows them to overwhelm the offensive line with numbers.

Not sure what you're basing Aso being better than Revis on, other than some coverage stats.