Pasta Padre video comparison of 2K and The Show: 2K hacks too much

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by zpq12

This is spam. I thought one of the mods posted in the impressions thread that this Show vs. MLB **** wasn't going to be tolerated. In any case, I don't really have a huge issue with the taken strikes in the game. If you throw good pitches you can get the CPU to take strikes. I guess I don't feel like there is a big problem with the game from what I've seen with the demo. The OP is a troll who clearly has no interest in MLB 2K9.

What the mods posted was in regards to Show vs 2K trash talking. This is just a comparison posted from another site. The content isn't trolling or combative. It's the people's comments about them (not saying everyone) that make it combative.

Also, while I agree that some blow it out of proportion or use hyperbole based on the demo, I fail to understand the "throw good pitches" line of thinking here. The CPU can't hit "good" pitches more often than not and swings at really bad ones too. It's a deeper issue than that.

You may not have an issue with it, and that's fine. The trouble for those of us that do, is that it lies deeper than how you pitch. It's an issue with AI logic (or it's use of IE or whatever). The CPU is VERY easy to fool and certainly has a "swing first" mentality generally, regardles of where you locate in the zone. The frequency may not bother some, but there is frequency there.

It may be just an issue given the "pro" setting or default sliders, but I can assure you it's bigger than "make good pitches."

[allBthere]

Quote: Originally Posted by JonahFalcon

Bryan Wiedey (Pasta Padre) is a well-respected sports game reviewer/journalist. This is not a "The Show rules/sucks!" "2K rules/sucks!" thread.

no he's not respected. I wouldn't call him a journalist either. He's an EA nuthugger to the largest degree. This is his way to stir the pot. Everyone knows there is a bit on an issue w/ the ai taking first pitches. He's loving the bickering trust me, mission accomplished pasta-pouto!

I'm not even sure why this show vs 2k thread was allowed to begin with especially since it's so transparent in its attempt to cause people to argue.

[jeffy777]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

it lies deeper than how you pitch. It's an issue with AI logic (or it's use of IE or whatever). The CPU is VERY easy to fool and certainly has a "swing first" mentality generally, regardles of where you locate in the zone. The frequency may not bother some, but there is frequency there.

Some of that could have to do with the fact that the demo is on a low difficulty level. One would think that the CPU won't be so easy to fool once we can crank the difficulty up. I guess it goes up another 3 notches according to 2K, so we'll see what happens.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by JonahFalcon

Bryan Wiedey (Pasta Padre) is a well-respected sports game reviewer/journalist.

guess I missed when Pastapadre became a "well-respected sports game journalist". For years his views showed an obvious and blatant slant. Which he was free to have, obviously. But trying to oversell him as a journalist is a bit much

[Woodcutta]

Obviously PastaPadre is doing something wrong in 2k9 b/c I can strikeout the AI without them swinging at a ball in the strike zone. I've also got first pitch strikes without the AI swinging and I've gotten strike two called. It isn't overly prevalent but it does happen. I started seeing it happen more often when I used the Inside Edge and stayed away from the hitters' hot zones. I've also got the AI to swing at pitches out of the zone after setting them up.

From someone that until last year played baseball competitely since tee ball (I'm now 25), this problem is being blown out of proportion. It may not be perfect but with some tweaks of the sliders and/or playing on a higher diffculty setting pitch counts should be as realistic as people on this board seem to want.

[jeffy777]

Quote: Originally Posted by Woodcutta

From someone that until last year played baseball competitely since tee ball (I'm now 25), this problem is being blown out of proportion. It may not be perfect but with some tweaks of the sliders and/or playing on a higher diffculty setting pitch counts should be as realistic as people on this board seem to want.

I agree that we need to wait and see what the final game is like (especially on different difficulty levels and with slider adjustments) before we make a definite decision about this issue. If the game can't be adjusted to play realistically then we have a definite problem, but I'm not going to worry too much for now until some unbiased people actually get their hands on it and are able to see what it can (or can not) fully do.

[SoxFan01605]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeffy777

Some of that could have to do with the fact that the demo is on a low difficulty level. One would think that the CPU won't be so easy to fool once we can crank the difficulty up. I guess it goes up another 3 notches according to 2K, so we'll see what happens.

Oh, I agree. I even said as much. My point was it's not as simple as "PITCH BETTER," which is the shallow defense for the AI I've been reading a lot. Not sure how it will play out in the final build.

Whether or not it's a big problem or not remains to be seen in the final (hopefully Chase can shed some light, that's why I asked him). I just think it's clear that the AI we saw in the demo, whether by going up in difficulty, tweaking sliders, or perhaps even editing ratings is what needs adjustment, NOT user pitching.

[jeffy777]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

My point was it's not as simple as "PITCH BETTER," which is the shallow defense for the AI I've been reading a lot.

You are right. "PITCH BETTER" is not the answer, but to be fair it certainly does help from what I have seen in my time with the demo. Painting the corners, mixing speeds, etc. does help a bit, but there is still a problem for sure. Like you said, we'll just have to wait and see what the final version and even a little tweaking can do.