MBMavs20 2012 Pitch Edits Spreadsheet

[MBMavs20]

Quote: Originally Posted by seanjeezy

Are you planning to update during the year Mavs?

Yes, I am planning another update probably sometime in May. That way, starters should hopefully have a couple of starts under their belts and relievers should have some innings pitched as well.

At that time, if the community feels the control ratings are too high, I will lower them.

A BIG Thanks to Scott for his simming results. That should give us a better idea of the control rating.

[seanjeezy]

Mavs I'm also curious about how you chose a couple of pitches, for example Kimbrel's breaking ball... In the other thread there was a big debate over what to call it, There is visual evidence of it being a spike curve, but I settled on a slurve because the in-game knuckle curve does not have the correct movement type and the sweeping curve is not fast enough.

There were various instances in the other thread where posters would provide data from Fangraphs and Texas Leaguers verbatum without digging deeper and justifying their reasoning with charts, spin rate, rotation, etc. It is well known that data originating from gameday is not completely accurate since classifications are determined by algorithms and not someone personally looking at raw data and video footage. The algorithms have improved over the years, but it still has a hard time distinguishing fastball types, cutters vs sliders, and sweeping curveballs vs sliders.

I am by no means trying to discount you or your work, and if it comes off as such, I'm sorry, but the reason I'm so bullish on this stuff is because a poster in the other thread tried to tell me and several other posters that our classifications were wrong and he was right because "Fangraphs and Texas Leaguers said so and 2 is greater than 1"

I know how hard you worked on this since I did my own edits too, and I'd really like it if we could bounce ideas off each other or somehow collaborate for v3 since I was designated to do it, and I need all the help I can get if people want the set on time

[redsfan4life]

I will be done with the NL tonight, I'm not using these edits I'm just going with the control/movement SCEA gave out...but all pitchers will have their correct repertoires based on PitchFX data.

[redsfan4life]

My NL PitchFX edits are complete, they are in the vault. AL will be done probably Wednesday or Thursday.

[Scott]

Quote: Originally Posted by redsfan4life

I will be done with the NL tonight, I'm not using these edits I'm just going with the control/movement SCEA gave out...but all pitchers will have their correct repertoires based on PitchFX data.

How are you doing it if SCEA completely missing a pitch, like giving them a 2-seam instead of a sinker.

[redsfan4life]

Quote: Originally Posted by Scott

How are you doing it if SCEA completely missing a pitch, like giving them a 2-seam instead of a sinker.

In that case, I just keep the control/movement the same as what SCEA had. A sinker and 2 seam FB are nearly the same pitch in game, and you don't want to mess with simmed stats. There aren't many cases where SCEA completely messed up a pitcher's entire repertoire, they just have the arrangement all out of sorts. The main reason I did this is because I hate pitchers that throw 98 in game with a bugs bunny change up coming in at 77. I'm looking at you James McDonald. I'm sure there are more examples, anyway, that won't happen with these edits.

[arotwlv]

I found http://baseballnewshound.com/ an awesome website.

It is a great tool for when making the prospects and trying to find out their repertoire and what their speeds are. I know fangraphs doesn't have a lot of info on the minor leaguers. For a lot of the higher prospects it usually gives the pitches and what the speed and movement is.

[MBMavs20]

Quote: Originally Posted by seanjeezy

Mavs I'm also curious about how you chose a couple of pitches, for example Kimbrel's breaking ball... In the other thread there was a big debate over what to call it, There is visual evidence of it being a spike curve, but I settled on a slurve because the in-game knuckle curve does not have the correct movement type and the sweeping curve is not fast enough. There were various instances in the other thread where posters would provide data from Fangraphs and Texas Leaguers verbatum without digging deeper and justifying their reasoning with charts, spin rate, rotation, etc. It is well known that data originating from gameday is not completely accurate since classifications are determined by algorithms and not someone personally looking at raw data and video footage. The algorithms have improved over the years, but it still has a hard time distinguishing fastball types, cutters vs sliders, and sweeping curveballs vs sliders. I am by no means trying to discount you or your work, and if it comes off as such, I'm sorry, but the reason I'm so bullish on this stuff is because a poster in the other thread tried to tell me and several other posters that our classifications were wrong and he was right because "Fangraphs and Texas Leaguers said so and 2 is greater than 1" I know how hard you worked on this since I did my own edits too, and I'd really like it if we could bounce ideas off each other or somehow collaborate for v3 since I was designated to do it, and I need all the help I can get if people want the set on time

I gave Kimbrel a Slider mostly because I couldn't find a site or scouting report that said otherwise. The issue is that he gets so much vertical movement on it that the Slider in the game doesn't really represent it that well. And like you mentioned, the Knuckle curve doesn't have the same movement and the Sweeping curve isn't fast enough.