MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

[Blzer]

Quote: Originally Posted by jestep123

The argument about dev cycles is flawed to me. Its their endevor not mine. Its not like they dont have anything to gain. The biannual dev cycle is not an option because of the dollars that would be left on the table.

First of all, biannual means twice a year, not every two years. Secondly, I simply said two-year development cycles, I never said only release an iteration of the game every two years. Do it like Call of Duty, have two different teams. That might be just as costly though, but for the consumer you're certainly getting quadrupled freshness (since you're getting an entirely different experience every year based on the development team and they have two years to work on it each time).

Definitely something worth pondering over.

[Jishin75]

One video is a poor example, but since we can talk about it, let's do it.

What I liked:
Lights, clouds cover, talking about weather, new stats (vs left, vs right,pitchers and batters hitted), overall feeling of better graphics. The analog pitching looks nice and the custom camera will help like shoulder pads for a football player. Stances, the nice linedrive to the left with the lf running to the corner to catch it. We can see baseball in this game.

What I don't like: players don't use the body to throw, just the arm, there's no fluidity in the throw.
The commentary: boring as usual. I will heard the same thing about the young player who has to prove something to his new ballclub and so on. Boring.
The throwing error from the 3rd baseman Ramirez looked planned, the first baseman was already there like he knew, no try to stretch to catch an error. Awful, seems to me like 2k errors at first.
After the final out the catcher runs to Marmol coming from his back and Marmol is stuck..........then the tv scene with Marmol celebrating with the catcher. No fluidity.

Anyway, this is a great game.

EDIT: I hope we could feel the pressure of the last batter in the 9th with the crowd intensity.

[travis72]

Quote: Originally Posted by jestep123

Points well taken but lets be clear that this video was not leaked. This video was part of the "Mauer Monday's" promo. If we can agree on that, then it is fair to say this isnt some hack or pirate that got an early copy of the game. This video was put together by somebod(ies) and then likely approved by someone else. The dev cycle point is an interesting one. I get it. They cant or dont want to do this or that. Understandable. The problem is that the game changes, or in some case doesnt, but the release day price never does. That is why you see people making buying decisons off of videos. That, and the expectation that, for the amount of money you are asked to spend, the marketing machines behind these games would want to put their best feet forward. The argument about dev cycles is flawed to me. Its their endevor not mine. Its not like they dont have anything to gain. The biannual dev cycle is not an option because of the dollars that would be left on the table. Its my opinion that you do have the right to expect drastic differences from year to year, especially if the price point doesnt move or goes higher. As far as the vid being discussed here, the differences are not drastic and it sure doesnt put the game's best foot forward. Underwelming is a good description and that is suprising for as big a fan as some of us are and for this group as a whole.

I think the Vid was put together rather poorly and should have been better, but thats just my opinion. I do however believe this game will be the best to date of any sports game made as it has been since I have been buying it which was 09.
We have seen other companies or should I say 2 companies that make basketball games tyr to do to much in a year and screw things up. 1 company did not even release a game this year because they even felt it was to awfull to release. The other company while greatly improving a product that has not been great since 08 made some huge strides this year they left some horrible flaws in their game that should have been fixed( lack of charges in gameplay, team fg% team assist per game), just to name a few that are whacked on sim stats and they brag about how sim it is. To me sim is not only how it works in playing a actual game but also team sim stats in franchise modes. While the show has had some flaws in the past namely to many relief pitcher appearances last year everything else was eithe right on the money or close.
each and every year they continue to amaze me with what they do so while I can only speak for my self i am glad they dont try to re invent the wheel each year and have massive screw ups like other companies.

[jestep123]

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Quote: Originally Posted by Blzer

First of all, biannual means twice a year, not every two years. Secondly, I simply said two-year development cycles, I never said only release an iteration of the game every two years. Do it like Call of Duty, have two different teams. That might be just as costly though, but for the consumer you're certainly getting quadrupled freshness (since you're getting an entirely different experience every year based on the development team and they have two years to work on it each time). Definitely something worth pondering over.

Im just saying that dev cycles are a poor excuse IMO because, as I said, its their endevor. It's what they put on the table for the consumer so the responsibility for making changes that justify another 65 a pop fall to the developers. Think of it this way, Take any overused line in the Show's commentary. Now think about how many different games in which you have heard that exact same line. Now think about how much it cost to have that line delivered, possibly up to 5 years ago. They are making money hand over fist. Its a small example but the game itself hasnt changed that much.

That said, I buy it every year and willingly do so but for those on the fence, or without the means of purchasing multiple games in the big sports gaming month of March, this vid was a poor effort which again, is suprising from SDS.

For the record, according to the Cambridge Dictionary. the prefix "bi" can mean "twice" or "once every two". Technically, however, I did use the wrong word. I should have said "biennial".

My apologies to the English teachers or majors out there.

[Blzer]

Quote: Originally Posted by jestep123

[ Im just saying that dev cycles are a poor excuse IMO because, as I said, its their endevor. It's what they put on the table for the consumer so the responsibility for making changes that justify another 65 a pop fall to the developers. Think of it this way, Take any overused line in the Show's commentary. Now think about how many different games in which you have heard that exact same line. Now think about how much it cost to have that line delivered, possibly up to 5 years ago. They are making money hand over fist. Its a small example but the game itself hasnt changed that much. That said, I buy it every year and willingly do so but for those on the fence, or without the means of purchasing multiple games in the big sports gaming month of March, this vid was a poor effort which again, is suprising from SDS. For the record, according to the Cambridge Dictionary. the prefix "bi" can mean "twice" or "once every two". Technically, however, I did use the wrong word. I should have said "biennial". My apologies to the English teachers or majors out there.

Haha it's okay, I just wanted to make sure we were referring to the same meaning, even if you used the wrong term.

I am one of the people who agree that there needs to be a different way to treat the value of the game we're buying so that it's somehow mixed up year in and year out. I have plenty of ideas up there in my noggin, but it would take a lot to get them all in the right way.

[12]

Quote: Originally Posted by jestep123

Points well taken but lets be clear that this video was not leaked. This video was part of the "Mauer Monday's" promo. If we can agree on that, then it is fair to say this isnt some hack or pirate that got an early copy of the game. This video was put together by somebod(ies) and then likely approved by someone else. The dev cycle point is an interesting one. I get it. They cant or dont want to do this or that. Understandable. The problem is that the game changes, or in some case doesnt, but the release day price never does. That is why you see people making buying decisons off of videos. That, and the expectation that, for the amount of money you are asked to spend, the marketing machines behind these games would want to put their best feet forward. The argument about dev cycles is flawed to me. Its their endevor not mine. Its not like they dont have anything to gain. The biannual dev cycle is not an option because of the dollars that would be left on the table. Its my opinion that you do have the right to expect drastic differences from year to year, especially if the price point doesnt move or goes higher. As far as the vid being discussed here, the differences are not drastic and it sure doesnt put the game's best foot forward. Underwelming is a good description and that is suprising for as big a fan as some of us are and for this group as a whole.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't have those expectations, but it is my opinion that if the expectations aren't being met, then the product isn't worth your money.

[jestep123]

Quote: Originally Posted by Blzer

Haha it's okay, I just wanted to make sure we were referring to the same meaning, even if you used the wrong term. I am one of the people who agree that there needs to be a different way to treat the value of the game we're buying so that it's somehow mixed up year in and year out. I have plenty of ideas up there in my noggin, but it would take a lot to get them all in the right way.

Yeah I am a big advocate of that especially in this time we are in right now. It feels like dev times are reduced, workforces are being reduced and the the quality, year to year is being reduced. The only thing not being reduced is the price. None of that anywhere is being passed to the consumer. I mean lets get with the program.

What's that you say, used games are big business? You mean I can get a game for 20-40 off and the only thing I dont get is a warranty that is almost never used anyway? Get out of town!!!!

[jestep123]

Quote: Originally Posted by Apostle

I'm not saying that you shouldn't have those expectations, but it is my opinion that if the expectations aren't being met, then the product isn't worth your money.

Fair enough but if enough people's expectations arent met, you have a serious problem on your hands.

By the way, at this point we are talking about some other game because, as poor as this video was, that WILL NOT happen to The Show. This game has a cult following like few on these boards.

Its so funny, you look at the info being released on here for FNC, TW12 and Nascar, all good games in their own right and the three of those threads combined dont have anywhere near the comments that this thread does.