MLB 12 The Show Gameplay Video - Cubs vs. Cardinals (OS Exclusive) - Part 3

[jlatz10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Vash - go take a look yourself. It is on MLB's site - right center against the cardinals, hit further than the pitch in question. He got the bat out and it went to the right center gap.

Pared is right. It's a common mistake but don't forget to switch the stadium from Wrigley to Busch in that FOX module. Barney inside-outed the ball to RF quite a bit last season.

[sydrogerdavid]

These guys are big leaguers ya know? They can do almost anything when hitting the ball.

[Vashyron.]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Vash - go take a look yourself. It is on MLB's site - right center against the cardinals, hit further than the pitch in question. He got the bat out and it went to the right center gap.

That pitch was down the middle and up. He wouldn't have hit that pitch nearly that far on a fly on a fastball belt high and on the black of the inside corner. Also, that is probably the farthest he could've hit the pitch. I've seen slap hitters in 11 The Show, hit opposite field HRs on pitches right on the high inside corner.

[jmik58]

Quote: Originally Posted by Vashyron.

That pitch was down the middle and up. He wouldn't have hit that pitch nearly that far on a fly on a fastball belt high and on the black of the inside corner. Also, that is probably the farthest he could've hit the pitch. I've seen slap hitters in 11 The Show, hit opposite field HRs on pitches right on the high inside corner.

You just said it yourself... in '11. The ball physics are new to '12 so you won't have that same issue.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Vashyron.

That pitch was down the middle and up. He wouldn't have hit that pitch nearly that far on a fly on a fastball belt high and on the black of the inside corner. Also, that is probably the farthest he could've hit the pitch. I've seen slap hitters in 11 The Show, hit opposite field HRs on pitches right on the high inside corner.

My point is your example was the very first thing I looked for and disproved. When I give you an example, you have to try and explain it... after you said it could never happen.

If it could never happen, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The absolutes are not comments to make. We're not talking about '11, we're talking about what you just questioned on '12... and to say X player should never do something like that... when there is video proof they just did... there's not much else to say. You're going on beliefs and I'm going on facts.

Anyway, I don't like getting into discussions with people who say never. Just found it funny in this instance when I saw the first highlight. Often times they're pretty wrong and that's what makes baseball great - fans say never and never always seems to happen.

[WhiteM5]

Quote: Originally Posted by Vashyron.

That pitch was down the middle and up. He wouldn't have hit that pitch nearly that far on a fly on a fastball belt high and on the black of the inside corner. Also, that is probably the farthest he could've hit the pitch. I've seen slap hitters in 11 The Show, hit opposite field HRs on pitches right on the high inside corner.

Hey Vash, I'm on-board for making sure the physics are as real as they can be, but were you taking into account the timing of the bat and not just location? For example, the real-life Barney triple clearly is middle-in and you can see him slightly late, pulling his hands in to get around. I watched the MLB 12 vids closely, and from what I could tell, timing seemed to make a big difference as to pull or opposite field. I was pretty satisfied that a middle-in pitch could (and should) go opposite (or result in being jammed) given a swing that is slightly late. Same for outside pitches...swinging early would result in a pulled grounder (or weakly pulled).

[Vashyron.]

Quote: Originally Posted by jmik58

You just said it yourself... in '11. The ball physics are new to '12 so you won't have that same issue.

Yeah, I know I'm talking about 11, that's why I keeping a close eye on the 12 videos looking to see these new improved bat-on-ball physics. The opposite field power in this series has always been ridiculous. Oh, and Jon Jay can't take a inside fastball, hit a long fly ball, and hit it past the centerfielder to left-center like that either. I could see him doing that on a pitch middle to away and getting full arm extensive a few times a season.

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

My point is your example was the very first thing I looked for and disproved. When I give you an example, you have to try and explain it... after you said it could never happen. If it could never happen, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The absolutes are not comments to make. We're not talking about '11, we're talking about what you just questioned on '12... and to say X player should never do something like that... when there is video proof they just did... there's not much else to say. You're going on beliefs and I'm going on facts.

I totally don't understand how a pitch middle of the plate and up is the SAME thing as hitting a pitch that's belt high and on the black of the inside corner. I wasn't saying Barney couldn't hit a ball that far, I'm saying he can't on that pitch.

[WhiteM5]

Quote: Originally Posted by Vashyron.

Yeah, I know I'm talking about 11, that's why I keeping a close eye on the 12 videos looking to see these new improved bat-on-ball physics. The opposite field power in this series has always been ridiculous. Oh, and Jon Jay can't take a inside fastball, hit a long fly ball, and hit it past the centerfielder to left-center like that either. I could see him doing that on a pitch middle to away and getting full arm extensive a few times a season. I totally don't understand how a pitch middle of the plate and up is the SAME thing as hitting a pitch that's belt high and on the black of the inside corner. I wasn't saying Barney couldn't hit a ball that far, I'm saying he can't on that pitch.

Actually I don't think you're wrong...either of you. I wouldn't care if they took 5% distance away from opposite field hits just to compensate. This way the beasts (Prince Fielder) could still hit them out 380-400 ft., and the smaller guys would be short of the warning track/or very rarely getting it out down the line. We also don't know what difficulty the video was played on...perhaps we don't see these exact hits with a higher difficulty. We also don't know the wind.