Ideas for an All-Cheaters Team

[bfindeisen]

Here is my (admittedly biased) defense of Ortiz as briefly as I can:


What the skeptics say:

He wasn't a power hitter in Minnesota.

Wrong. He was always thought of as a developing power hitter in the minors as David Arias. He increased his HR numbers year after year and hit 18 his final minor league season in 450 ABs.

Taken from the back of the David Arias rookie card:

One of the most feared sluggers in all of minor-league baseball last season, David's 8 intentional walks ranked third among Single-A players. The Twins are looking for his potent bat to eventually inflict damage in the Metrodome.

He would eventually hit 18 HRs in 303 AB's and 20 HR's in 412 ABs in his final 2 seasons in Minnesota.


What about the year he hit 50 HRs?

So what? He hit 50 in his absolute prime. For a power hitter, 50 in your prime isn't anything crazy. Roger Maris hit 61 in 1961, remember?


He played with Manny, they both must have been doing them.

Really? Then why hasn't Ortiz tested positive for ANYTHING and Manny failed multiple tests?


He's 38. He shouldn't be hitting this well.


Why not? There have been numerous examples of players hitting for avg. late in their careers and it's not like he's still hitting 40+ HRs. He's lucky if he hits 30 this year. Doesn't anyone remember a juiced Barry Bonds hitting 40+ HRs at 39?


A couple final points:

- Since his last couple of years in Minnesota, his body type has largely remained the same, and even in his prime, he wasn't muscular...just big.

- Why are all these players failing tests left and right over the years and Ortiz (who is tested constantly) hasn't? You mean to tell me, he just happens to have better drugs and people than a Barry Bonds or Alex Rodriguez?

- All of the players I listed in the first post have either outright failed drug tests, admitted to using PEDs, had a corked bat break open during game, or have been linked to PEDs by other players who were under legal oath to tell the truth.

[bfindeisen]

Quote: Originally Posted by JHedges2

2013 World Series Boston team average: .169 David Ortiz' average: .688 38 years old? His average has INCREASED every year since he was 33 (in 2009, when he hit .238). You can't tell me there's NOTHING fishy about that...

He had a wrist injury in 2009. Hitters generally take a while to come back from wrist injuries. That, and he was very out of shape during those years after the second WS title. After 2009, he had a rude awakening and came to spring training (I believe 2011) having lost a ton of weight. Considering that, I don't think it's entirely unbelievable he improved after that.

[BA2929]

Quote: Originally Posted by gwshark9

I think you need to make room for George Brett...the infamous pine tar bat

The Royals protested that and the decision was actually overruled/reversed.

Quote:

MacPhail ruled that Brett had not violated the spirit of the rules nor deliberately "altered [the bat] to improve the distance factor."

So you could only add in George if you're including jerks who get too much sun from playing golf.

[bfindeisen]

Quote: Originally Posted by BA2929

The Royals protested that and the decision was actually overruled/reversed. So you could only add in George if you're including jerks who get too much sun from playing golf.

Hahaha!

I actually did consider George Brett, but I decided not to include him because I was already stocked at 3B pretty heavily and, as you mentioned, I really didn't think it was blatant "cheating". Bottom line, I don't consider George Brett to be a cheat in any way, so he doesn't belong here.

[Mitchrapp]

Quote: Originally Posted by bfindeisen

Nettles got caught using a corked bat...I believe it was actually "corked" with super bouncy balls, lol

Ah, I do recall that now.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Quote: Originally Posted by bfindeisen

So since I have been waiting for the PS4 version to be released, I've had a lot of downtime to think about the way I am going to play The Show when I get it. After the whole Michael Pineda pine-tar scandal last night, it occurred to me it might be interesting to create an All-Cheater team in game. When I started to think about it, I found that I could field a pretty cool team that would be fun to play with. Actually, at some positions there is too much talent. Here is my team breakdown thus far: Catcher: Benito Santiago Paul LoDuca 1st Base: Mark McGwire Jason Giambi Rafael Palmeiro 2nd Base: Brian Roberts Chuck Knoblauch Randy Velarde 3rd Base: Alex Rodriguez Ken Caminiti Graig Nettles Shortstop: Miguel Tejada Jhonny Peralta Left Field: Barry Bonds Ryan Braun Albert Belle Center Field: Lenny Dykstra Brady Anderson Melky Cabrera Right Field: Sammy Sosa Gary Sheffield Nelson Cruz Designated Hitter: Jose Canseco Manny Ramirez Starting Pitchers: Roger Clemens Andy Pettitte Kenny Rogers Gaylord Perry Kevin Brown Bartolo Colon Endinson Volquez Michael Pineda Relievers: Eric Gagne John Rocker Mike Stanton Jason Grimsley Guillermo Mota Jay Howell Brendan Donnelly Manager: Pete Rose Starting Lineups and Pitching Rotation below...any suggestions?

A fine idea and fine a team too. I might find room on the pitching staff for Joe Niekro and Rick Honeycutt myself though lol

[bferra13]

The ultimate irony here is that a Patriots fan made this thread.

[berenjena]

You lost all credibility when you put Michael Pineda in the middle of a bunch of steroid users. Seriously? All-Cheater team for using something most pitchers use at one point during the season and all players are ok with it... The only thing he did wrong was not hiding it well.

Based on your common sense. Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz should be in this list for the same reason as Pineda.

You also lost a ton of credibility when you put Manny and A-Rod on that list, but magically missed DAVID ORTIZ on that list...who by the way should be starting at DH.

Ortiz was in the 2003 list where A-Rod, Manny, and Sammy Sosa were...yes that also was the Year Ortiz magically became a star for the Red Sox.

Oh he was also supposed to get back at us with the details...but the coward hasn't said anything since then.