Att: Roster makers. (Some findings and observations)

[nogster]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cycloniac

So, is the workaround to create custom playbooks and move the plays from current into them? Eg create custom Nuggets playbook, move all plays from current Nuggets playbook to custom one, and use?

Yes. That is correct.
It's very easy to do as you can save the plays.
So customise the teams playbook to your liking. Save it. Then simply change the playbook to either a classic team or a generic playbook. Then go to the playbook menu and load the plays you saved.
This will overwrite the classic or generic playbook with the plays you set for that team but not carry over the annoying freelance "hardcode" (the only way I can describe it.

I guarantee you will notice a marked difference. Like, it is clear.
I also advise putting "run plays" coach slider to 99 for all teams and ypu will notice the plays actually being utilised based on the players touch tendencies and rating etc.....

[nogster]

The key then, like it always is, is to tinker and test the teams players touch tendencies so that you get the right players getting the right touches in a balanced way.
Sometimes it could literally just be a 1pt add or subtract that makes a huge difference to how the cpu calls the plays.

[Cycloniac]

Quote: Originally Posted by nogster

Yes. That is correct. It's very easy to do as you can save the plays. So customise the teams playbook to your liking. Save it. Then simply change the playbook to either a classic team or a generic playbook. Then go to the playbook menu and load the plays you saved. This will overwrite the classic or generic playbook with the plays you set for that team but not carry over the annoying freelance "hardcode" (the only way I can describe it. I guarantee you will notice a marked difference. Like, it is clear. I also advise putting "run plays" coach slider to 99 for all teams and ypu will notice the plays actually being utilised based on the players touch tendencies and rating etc.....

I did try this, and I noticed the different right away. Well done.

I'm curious on two things:
Run plays - I usually set this to 100 out of habit, but what do you notice with it set at say 50? Just more freelance?

Coach Points of Emphasis - I noticed that by default, teams aren't just set to neutral in each category. Do these still only affect sim stats in your experience?

[nogster]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cycloniac

I did try this, and I noticed the different right away. Well done. I'm curious on two things: Run plays - I usually set this to 100 out of habit, but what do you notice with it set at say 50? Just more freelance? Coach Points of Emphasis - I noticed that by default, teams aren't just set to neutral in each category. Do these still only affect sim stats in your experience?

1. I do the same as you and have done for many iterations of 2k. That is set the run plays slider to 99.
I feel more variety of plays are called. It's very subtle though. More subtle than I would like but like you, it's just what I have always done once I discovered the cpu played a better game with more variety (provided your ratings and tendency edits are done well enough.).

2. Honestly. I think the "points of emphasis" is more window dressing than an actual gameplay behaviour adjusting tool that it should be.
I still set them as how I see that teams style to be. But yeah I think it does little to the actual gameplay. The differences are too subtle imo.
Same with system proficiency.
I think that is more for franchise, sim thing than actual gameplay team behaviour changing. Cause I have never seen an actual marked, quantitative difference like you see regarding the finding I posted on this thread.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by nogster

1. Current team playbooks have hardcoded sets that take precedent over plays. This makes the "run plays" coaching slider practically redundant.

So basically, ACE coding is tied to the Playbook.

[nogster]

Quote: Originally Posted by Real2KInsider

So basically, ACE coding is tied to the Playbook.

Yeah, very likely Rashidi.

There is a legit, standout difference when making the adjustments i suggest.

Ace does and has always sucked.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by nogster

Yeah, very likely Rashidi. There is a legit, standout difference when making the adjustments i suggest. Ace does and has always sucked.

ACE is DaCzar's brainchild

It has potential but I suspect many of the coded aspects are too heavy-handed and probably don't have a statistical backing (arbitrary feel / minimal testing).

A lot of it is "If Player X is present with Y lineup conditions"

I.E. Stockton/Malone are only going to feel like Stockton/Malone w/ the respective-Era Jazz playbook.
If you gave John Stockton's Tendencies etc to Howard Eisley, they likely wouldn't play the same. I believe ACE is checking for the Player ID.

[nogster]

Quote: Originally Posted by Real2KInsider

ACE is DaCzar's brainchild It has potential but I suspect many of the coded aspects are too heavy-handed and probably don't have a statistical backing (arbitrary feel / minimal testing). A lot of it is "If Player X is present with Y lineup conditions" I.E. Stockton/Malone are only going to feel like Stockton/Malone w/ the respective-Era Jazz playbook. If you gave John Stockton's Tendencies etc to Howard Eisley, they likely wouldn't play the same. I believe ACE is checking for the Player ID.

Agree regarding with your freelance coding thoughts.
But you are incorrect regarding the Stockton, malone and eisley comment.

I can guarantee if you put stocktons tendencies (if they are properly edited) to Eisley, Eisley will play like Stockton.

But if you put Stockton and malone on the current jazz, change some of the plays to 1-4 pick n rolls and add some 4 low post plays that suit malone. You will find markannen still gets the lion share of the offense run through him. Even if you adjust the touch tendencies of the players.
Because ACE seems hardcoded in the current playbooks.

But if you change the jazz playbook to any other non current playbook. Add the suitable plays for Stockton and malone and viola. Markannen is now secondary scoring option.

It's only the current teams playbooks that are affected by this ACE freelance issue.

Remove those playbooks from your roster and the tendencies, plays and coach profile run plays actually work.