Obtained rights to missing players?

[VDusen04]

Quote: Originally Posted by fileman3

Reggie Miller will be on the all time pacer team right???

No word yet. Considering 2K's difficulty securing his rights in years past I'm not sure I'd get my hopes up. Then again, I wasn't planning on any new 90's classic teams and 2K surprised me there so maybe they could have some other tricks up their sleeve. Miller and Barkley seem out of their control though.

[gu8lal8]

Quote: Originally Posted by yellow86

The problem is they won't allow us to edit players on classic teams, which is ridiculous in itself, because against the CPU even if you put all those generic on 0 minutes they will still get heavy minutes! Simulated games too.

They should give those generic players the overall rating of the missing guy and the correct skin color that would solve alot of problems in a classic team myleague.

How awesome would it be to just have to change a guys name and put some accessories on him and that's that.
I wouldn't mind if they look generic just give him the correct rating.

[Junior Moe]

Quote: Originally Posted by gu8lal8

They should give those generic players the overall rating of the missing guy and the correct skin color that would solve alot of problems in a classic team myleague. How awesome would it be to just have to change a guys name and put some accessories on him and that's that. I wouldn't mind if they look generic just give him the correct rating.

That's just begging for a likeness lawsuit. Not sure how familiar you are with the Ed Obannon V NCAA case here but essentially, a players physical characteristics constitutes their likeness. Say 2K put a 6'6" 250 pound bald, brown skin star PF on the classic 76ers team. Barkley could reasonable assume that was him and sue. 2K isn't going anywhere near that.

[Poohdini1]

Quote: Originally Posted by World1

Agreed. He was in like one of the early updates. It was like he wasn't on board for the release and shortly after we had him idk what that was. Rasheed NEEDS to be added tbh. It's one thing when we can't get role players for these teams or bench warmers but Guys like Rasheed and Nash....yikes.

It's honestly disrespectful to give us the 04 Pistons and 00 Blazers without Sheed, like wtf is the point?

Same goes for the Kings/Webber, why bother when you don't even have the best player?

[Housh123]

Quote: Originally Posted by Junior Moe

That's just begging for a likeness lawsuit. Not sure how familiar you are with the Ed Obannon V NCAA case here but essentially, a players physical characteristics constitutes their likeness. Say 2K put a 6'6" 250 pound bald, brown skin star PF on the classic 76ers team. Barkley could reasonable assume that was him and sue. 2K isn't going anywhere near that.

Its not as hard as you think.


If 2k creates a player and puts him in the game with the name Charles Barkley then yes its sue city.


Now lets say they create a VERY generic player, with Charles measurements and puts him on the 76ers all time team and names him "Power Forward". Being 6' 6", 250 pounds, bald, lightskin is not inclusive to one man on earth. Also 2k can put whoever the heck they want on any teams roster. So you cannot prove that the player is 100% a depiction of Charles Barkley. All 2k has to do is find a dude who looks kinda like Barkley and say that yes Charles is the inspiration for this player but this gentleman right here is who we depicted because we couldn't get Charles.


This wouldn't work for the NCAA because its unrealistic that a company would be able to get 2000 look alikes to depict the likeness of these kids. If 2k has less than 10 guys who they have to depict without a facescan then its believable that they went out and found 10 guys who looked like actual NBA players.

Like in simple words. You can copy Charles likeness and make money off it. But you can get a random guy off the street and scan him, and call him Charles Barkley even if you go as far as place him on a team that the real Barkley was on....because at the end of the day you are not depicting the actual Charles Barkley. You are depicting a look a like.

Now if your asking well if it's that easy why haven't they done it, the answer is they don't have to because of community creations and two they are very respected by the NBA and basketball players and they probably don't want to hurt that relationship.

[Junior Moe]

Quote: Originally Posted by Housh123

Its not as hard as you think. If 2k creates a player and puts him in the game with the name Charles Barkley then yes its sue city. Now lets say they create a VERY generic player, with Charles measurements and puts him on the 76ers all time team and names him "Power Forward". Being 6' 6", 250 pounds, bald, lightskin is not inclusive to one man on earth. Also 2k can put whoever the heck they want on any teams roster. So you cannot prove that the player is 100% a depiction of Charles Barkley. All 2k has to do is find a dude who looks kinda like Barkley and say that yes Charles is the inspiration for this player but this gentleman right here is who we depicted because we couldn't get Charles.

It's not hard, but 2K isn't going to put themselves in that position. What you're saying is basically what NCAA Football (and basketball) was doing with the player avatars. LOL! They don't have to outright name the avatar after an actual player to infringe on that players likeness. And those measurements aren't exclusive to one man on earth. But they are to one prominent bald 76er legend. The same as the NCAA player avatars. Therein lies the rub. 2K has no reason to put themselves out there like that and do all that fake person stuff you suggested. If the dude doesn't want to OK his likeness, respect that. I'd always just edit Terry Cummings off one of the Bucks teams to Charles and call it a day.

[VDusen04]

Quote: Originally Posted by Housh123

Its not as hard as you think. If 2k creates a player and puts him in the game with the name Charles Barkley then yes its sue city. Now lets say they create a VERY generic player, with Charles measurements and puts him on the 76ers all time team and names him "Power Forward". Being 6' 6", 250 pounds, bald, lightskin is not inclusive to one man on earth. Also 2k can put whoever the heck they want on any teams roster. So you cannot prove that the player is 100% a depiction of Charles Barkley. All 2k has to do is find a dude who looks kinda like Barkley and say that yes Charles is the inspiration for this player but this gentleman right here is who we depicted because we couldn't get Charles. This wouldn't work for the NCAA because its unrealistic that a company would be able to get 2000 look alikes to depict the likeness of these kids. If 2k has less than 10 guys who they have to depict without a facescan then its believable that they went out and found 10 guys who looked like actual NBA players. If you do it like this then I actually think you can even name the guy Charles Barkley. Like in simple words. You can copy Charles likeness and make money off it. But you can get a random guy off the street and scan him, and call him Charles Barkley even if you go as far as place him on a team that the real Barkley was on....because at the end of the day you are not depicting the actual Charles Barkley. You are depicting a look a like

Junior Moe nailed it. 2K used to mess around with this in the early and mid-2000's. Their NHL, NCAA and NFL games all had classic teams with the attributes and vitals of all the real players of those teams but with generic faces. I remember NHL even had a jersey number formula to figure out who was who (No. 1 meant it was a real life No. 9, No. 2 meant real life No. 8, etc).

The Ed O'Bannon suit sent everyone running for the hills when it came to that little trick though. I think the story goes that the suit originated when one of O'Bannon's family members was using '95 UCLA in EA College Basketball and was dominating with a bald, left-handed No. 31. It was O'Bannon in just about every respect except name. The subsequent lawsuit was a multi-million dollar mess for EA. And that's the last time any game designers tried to be coy about slipping in generic classic athletes.

If the O'Bannon thing never went down, I'm certain we'd have seen plenty of modern day "SG No. 99" situations like we used to see in NBA Live. Then again, without that lawsuit maybe 2K would have never pushed as hard to secure real likenesses and we'd be stuck with a lot more "generic" classics.

[yellow86]

Give me the Kings back from 01-02 as well, **** Webber!