Is there any offensive scheme/freelance that simulates Denver Nuggets?

[DreamAgain]

I'm having trouble initiating my offense through Nikola Jokic. Specifically dribble handoffs and cuts - they just don't happen the way I want them to. The only way I've been able to kind of do it is by running Handoff plays over and over but even then my players rarely ever dive the paint hard enough. If I call a handoff for Jamal Murray he will just sit at the 3 point line if I don't hand it off to him.. instead of cutting like he would normally do in real life. The other problem is if they are designed for somebody other than the 5 to do initiate the handoff then Jokic won't even be a part of the play, which many of them are like that.

Here's a good example of how I'd like to see players on my team cut:
https://youtu.be/7ap2cffD9bo?t=21

And here's just a standard offensive set for Denver. Jamal passes ball to top of key, Jokic fakes a hand off and Jamal dives hard. Nothing is available, Jokic initiates a dribble handoff with Gary forcing defense to collapse and Faried smartly rotates under the basket for an easy layup. In 2k I'll often see somebody like Faried just camp outside the paint with no off-ball movement at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pts7kDQZCIk

Denver is arguably the best offensive team in the NBA and they don't have a dedicated freelance system. The game defaults to running 3 out 2 in or pace. What gives?

I'm far from a 2k guru so if you know of a way to get Denver to play like Denver please tell me, but I haven't been able to do it =(

[jeebs9]

Wouldn't it be 4 out 1 in?....

[cam21224]

If you play offline I highly suggest Van' s Playbooks.

If you play online, possibly 4-1 like jeebs stated above.

[vannwolfhawk]

I haven't really dove into freelance yet so can't help you there, but as far as plays or plays that work go for a Jokic type look at these plays below for Elbow's or DHO's... I am actually redoing the Nuggets as we speak with a few minor adjustments, but I do have their rough draft playbook up and Jokic is a legit passing threat with the CPU...

Passing Bigs / Elbow Plays

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Quote: Originally Posted by lbj273

Any specific High/Low Post or DHO plays that come to mind that can take advantage of a good passing big man such as Jokic or Chris Webber?

High/Low

Punch 5 Horns Fist (Traditional High/Low look)
Punch 45X
08 Punch 15 Fist - Has High/Low look as an option in the play...

The Elbow plays

Fist 15 DBL Pin
Punch 45 Elbow RIP
08 Punch 15 Fist
Punch Zipper Fist 15

Here are some for passing bigs like Webber or Sabonis. Check those classic teams as well as I loaded them up with big passing plays... Below are a few passing plays from bigs in the post, elbow, and high post. Keep in mind some the action go's through them not necessarily getting the assist. Also, these are plays the CPU and User can run well. I'm sure there are a few more but either it has bad spacing, execution, etc....


Passing Bigs
Quick 3 Scissor
Punch 4 RIP Hammer
Fist Horns Motion 15
Quick 2 Punch Flare
Punch 34 Chin
Punch Strong 15
Punch 25 TRI
Quick 51 Up 4
Punch 5 RIP 2
90 Quick 2 Give 41
90 Quick 51
Quick 3 Punch Motion
Punch 52
Floppy 2 Chin
85 Quick 1 DBL
90 Quick 53 Fist
87 Quick 52
Cut 24 Chin
Quick Horns Motion 3 Up
Punch 5 Horns Fist
87 Iso 1 Motion
High 4 Up

Best DHO Plays
Give Swing
Give 43 Horns
Give Horns 42 Away
Give Motion 42
Give Horns Flip 1
Give 51
Give 53
Give Zipper 51
Give 53 Horns Quick
Give 52 Horns
Give 52 Swing Quick
Give Swing 42

Good DHO's from other Play Types
Fist 52 Dive 4 Out
Quick 12 Dive 51 Give
Give Zipper 51
Fist 51 Give 4 Out
Quick 31 Give 12

[DreamAgain]

Quote: Originally Posted by cam21224

If you play offline I highly suggest Van' s Playbooks. If you play online, possibly 4-1 like jeebs stated above.

I play offline only. I'll try out 4-1 in a bit but doesn't that focus more on a low post threat? Which jokic can do but a lot of the times he's at the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDCetUuSzSs

Strictly speaking this is more or less what Denver is running, with some tweaks to it to make use of Jokic's passing.

[DreamAgain]

Quote: Originally Posted by vannwolfhawk

I haven't really dove into freelance yet so can't help you there, but as far as plays or plays that work go for a Jokic type look at these plays below for Elbow's or DHO's... I am actually redoing the Nuggets as we speak with a few minor adjustments, but I do have their rough draft playbook up and Jokic is a legit passing threat with the CPU... Passing Bigs / Elbow Plays Spoiler High/Low Punch 5 Horns Fist (Traditional High/Low look) Punch 45X 08 Punch 15 Fist - Has High/Low look as an option in the play... The Elbow plays Fist 15 DBL Pin Punch 45 Elbow RIP 08 Punch 15 Fist Punch Zipper Fist 15 Here are some for passing bigs like Webber or Sabonis. Check those classic teams as well as I loaded them up with big passing plays... Below are a few passing plays from bigs in the post, elbow, and high post. Keep in mind some the action go's through them not necessarily getting the assist. Also, these are plays the CPU and User can run well. I'm sure there are a few more but either it has bad spacing, execution, etc.... Passing Bigs Quick 3 Scissor Punch 4 RIP Hammer Fist Horns Motion 15 Quick 2 Punch Flare Punch 34 Chin Punch Strong 15 Punch 25 TRI Quick 51 Up 4 Punch 5 RIP 2 90 Quick 2 Give 41 90 Quick 51 Quick 3 Punch Motion Punch 52 Floppy 2 Chin 85 Quick 1 DBL 90 Quick 53 Fist 87 Quick 52 Cut 24 Chin Quick Horns Motion 3 Up Punch 5 Horns Fist 87 Iso 1 Motion High 4 Up Best DHO Plays Give Swing Give 43 Horns Give Horns 42 Away Give Motion 42 Give Horns Flip 1 Give 51 Give 53 Give Zipper 51 Give 53 Horns Quick Give 52 Horns Give 52 Swing Quick Give Swing 42 Good DHO's from other Play Types Fist 52 Dive 4 Out Quick 12 Dive 51 Give Give Zipper 51 Fist 51 Give 4 Out Quick 31 Give 12

Thanks!

[cam21224]

Quote: Originally Posted by DreamAgain

I play offline only. I'll try out 4-1 in a bit but doesn't that focus more on a low post threat? Which jokic can do but a lot of the times he's at the top. Strictly speaking this is more or less what Denver is running, with some tweaks to it to make use of Jokic's passing.

Yeah you'll definitely want to use Vans books it opens up the game a lot and you'll get to make use of Jokic's passing

[vannwolfhawk]

Quote: Originally Posted by DreamAgain

I play offline only. I'll try out 4-1 in a bit but doesn't that focus more on a low post threat? Which jokic can do but a lot of the times he's at the top. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDCetUuSzSs Strictly speaking this is more or less what Denver is running, with some tweaks to it to make use of Jokic's passing.

I have that DVD and we ran that with our college team last year as a base... I would like to see this as a freelance if not in though (again have not messed with freelance)... I have not seen them run this action though.

Here is some early notes I have on them (small sample size) and things I saw from early pre season games and 1 regular season game was some T-series stuff, tons of DHO's with Jokic up at the top of key, Flex action, 4 out 1 in, some High/Low looks, Jokic in straight iso punch plays with no Laker Cuts or off ball interchanges majority of time, Punch Strong 15, Elbow PNPops (4 Out Spread -PNR Mid), Horns Elbow action with pin downs & flex action options on weak side, basic spread PNR's, 15 Out PNFade 3pt play, Weave into PNR, 43 Double - Mid Range Play, etc...

They also run a lot of early offense and DHO's in their secondary break which I don't think we can replicate in 2k, but they also run a lot of trail ball screens early which you can... 2k I believe has their run play slider at 50 so bumping that up and adding a lot of the actions through plays you can get it as close as your going to get but it has to be manipulated through plays...