How to make players play like themselves - The ATD Guide

[Real2KInsider]

Also, to make matters even dumber, 2K's playbook list doesn't even add up correctly.

I manually counted the plays from each category. Their main team screen says 27 plays, yet I came to 34.

Here's what the Listed plays are

Sixers Playbook
27 Total (-7)
8 Pick & Roll
2 Isolation
5 High Post
2 Cutter
0 Low Post
0 Midrange
0 Guard Post
7 Handoff (+1)
3 Three

The Grand total doesn't include Roll Man. Apparently one of those Roll Man plays is miscategorized as "Handoff", accounting for the difference.

[jstidlly]

Hey guys. I like you alls input here and I got some nice results, very simple:

- increase every player dish to open man proportionately
- Lower all isolation tendencies by about half. I think this was huge in ball distro
- Adjust touches to bring them closer together
- make sure 3pt wingers have play discipline high

I used most recent roster. I have HOF sliders only adjusted for speed, blocking shots, and jump shot D. Keep ATB baseline 50, let the players individual tendencies for attack, pull up, or pass dictate.

Examples: 7 cpu vs CPU 3s for Middleton. Most on Ante and Bledsoe kick outs. Same for Annouby and Powell TOR.

[Vedreanu]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

This is because you have two PNR plays assigned for him. PNR Ball Handler is a conglomeration of P&R Point and P&R Wing. All you did is add the same plays twice by having both. You're getting ahead of yourself. "P" stands for "Page", as it would in any book. Note the D-Pad indicators.

Thanks for clarification, I really was convinced "P" standed for priority!
Maybe I should start play the game a bit (not only watching ) to get a grip around these things

Quote:

When you set a playtype it is adding all the plays the team has of that type to the player's book. Priority is determining the order. You can Add/Remove plays from a team manually as you see fit, from the Playbook menu (the one before Assign Plays).

I knew about editing a Playbook. In one of previous posts I even described an experiment in which i removed ALL PLAYS from Sixers playbook except one.

The goal was to test under what conditions would that one play appear in gameplay and relation between its appearance to freelances.


I must say I still do dont understand the mechanics of underlying game structure to the full extent.

Currently it seems to me that FREELANCES are the core structure, and that each Freelance executes its own inbuilt plays!!

That would mean manually set plays in ROSTER EDITING area actually do not appear in the match itself (at least CPU vs CPU) no matter the priorities and whatnots.

This would make all the plays settings rather useless. Probably most users here could be pretty shocked by this "discovery".



Why and how have I come to this conclusion?
Well because of the experiment I was talking about:

=> I adjusted all the settings so the Simmons would get all the plays called for himself and get the maximum amount of touches. But only ONE PLAY was added in the whole Sixers playbook!

I put RUN PLAYS slider to 100 and still that onle single one play appeared very rarely or not at all?!?!


I think I should make a video about it to make things more clear, because its pretty complicated to write post about this stuff and also I have a feeling users of this forum have a tough time following my thoughts

[daveberg]

Most frustrating thing is the fact we can't select a teams' freelance plays when editing rosters outside of myleague. If I'm editing the roster in full, I should have FULL access to all players and team aspects.

Shouldn't have to pause them damn game everytime a match starts to change a teams freelance set ups - it's nonsense.

Incredibly difficult to also get classic teams to play in a specific manner in regards to mid range and post up play.

Even with sliders adjusted with post ups to the max, and some tendency tweaks, I still rarely see any stuff down low.

[Vedreanu]

Ok, I made the video. I was editing it for more than an hour to make it viewer friendly, then the program just crashed and, of course, everything was lost.

Instead of going through all that again, I uploaded the video:




And added detailed descriptions with TIME CODES underneath.


I will paste the descriptions here aswell, but I will put a spoiler around them, bcs of the lenght.

Please someone comment this. I'd like to here any explanation.

Spoiler

Take a close look at this experiment:

0:01 Simmons was set to 99 TOUCHES (in order to have his plays called all the time), 1 DISH (so he doesnt pass the ball at the start of possesion), 99 PLAY DISCYPLINE.
All other players got touches to 0 in order to maximise to theoretical probability of Simmons gettings his play called.

0:30 He got only one play assigned in Sixers' Playbook. That was also the only play in the playbook.

0:40 Play type: PNR; play name: '65 FIST 1 SIDE

0:44 All players that will be fielded got their plays removed. All priorities for all players in starting 5 (plus Robinson III) were set at "NONE". Except for Simmons, he got his only play assigned at priority1.

1:21 All starting players have 48 minutes assigned

1:49 "Fatigue:OFF, Foul out: off" in order to maximize play time and pertain the "experimental conditions".

2:36 Lets study the only play in the playbook: double screen for Simmons at the left side.
Positions 4 (Harris) and 5 (Embiid) involved in making screens.
Play DISCYPLINE is 100 for all except Simmons (99) so the play would not break when started.

3:29 RUN PLAYS slider lowered to 65 in order for play not to start immediately, but with delay. So we can observe what happens before.

4:34 We will add the play instead of "post up" to the portfolio. We will assign it to Simmons.
Freelances as default.

4:51 Series: Static (in order to observe the freelances more easily), Do not repeat (so each freelance/play could be played out in short time).
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MATCH START:
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5:11First possesion - Simmons with the ball, I think we had two plays inside this possesion. None was the assigned one (65 FIST 1 SIDE).

5:45 Second possesion - Simmons goes for early dish to the left side, eventhough he has DISH set at only 1?? Play ends soon with Embiids layup.

7:09 Third "normal" possesion - again the early dish to the left, few secs later Embiid pops to take the open 3. Not our play...

7:38 RUN PLAYS slider raised to 85 in order to eliminate most of the possible random distractions at the early phase of possesion/play.

7:50 We can see play activating almost immediately after Simmons stops at the perimeter. But that still is not our play. Why is he not calling the 65 FIST 1 SIDE play?

8:27 Simmons starts the play almost immediately, but again this is not what we were looking for! Play ends up with a nice open 3pointer from Robinson. Nice, but Robinson doesnt have any play assigned in Sixers Playbook :/

9:26 Richardson being the play initiator eventhough I've turned this off in his VITALS??

10:36 Simmons tries to pennetrate aside Kemba, he stopped and immediately dishes to ball to right. Wait? His "dish to open man tend" was set to 1, wasnt it? Let's check toegether: 0:01

11:16 Again Ben immediately sends the ball to the right. Ok, this is his EIGHT play, there are NINE plays in the in-game OFFENSIVE SETTTINGS menu, so maybe the next one will be the right one?? Remember, we have are series order set to STATIC... The next one should be it!!

11:36 Bloody hell. It looked good for a second, when Embiid went up to the perimeter to make a screen. But where was Harris? He should be making the first screen, before Joel, remember: 2:36
That's not our play, yet again!!

12:08 WTF?!! Again the early dish to right and run to the corner from Simons??? That was the 10th complete possesion, 65 FIST 1 SIDE just got ignored totally!!

14:24 Wait, I will push the CONTROLER to Sixers side, take control over the team to check wether the play is even in the quick-playbook... The hell, there it is 14:30!!!
Did you see it? I've chosen it with L1 button!
14:31 Holly molly, you can even see correct markings and play direction at the floor!!
THAT IS THE PLAY!!!

[Vedreanu]

Quote: Originally Posted by daveberg

Most frustrating thing is the fact we can't select a teams' freelance plays when editing rosters outside of myleague. If I'm editing the roster in full, I should have FULL access to all players and team aspects. Shouldn't have to pause them damn game everytime a match starts to change a teams freelance set ups - it's nonsense. Incredibly difficult to also get classic teams to play in a specific manner in regards to mid range and post up play. Even with sliders adjusted with post ups to the max, and some tendency tweaks, I still rarely see any stuff down low.

I agree.
Its also frustrating that defensive settings cannot be applied in CPU vs CPU matches, at least I didnt succeed!

And also that some TENDENCY SLIDERS are broken, it seems to me.
What are those:

- "attack the basket" is a strong candidate
- "look for post players" is another one, according to my observations

The most frustrating part might be the total entropy caused by all the bloody sliders and tendencies. I am pretty sure a bunch of those cancel each other out or make each other behave unpredictable even to developers.


Another big frustration is the hilariously low amount of non-shooting fouls.
I tried raising all the related tendencies and sliders to get somewhat realistic results there, no luck.

On the other hand - if you want to see half or 2/3 the realistic number of fouls in a match, that means 90% of them would be shooting fouls, which leads to players like EMBIID having foul trouble in almost every match played against any decent inside player.

I simmed 5-6 matches of Phila vs Milwaukee, in neither Embiid played his "programmed" minutes bcs of foul trouble.




I must be fair and also state that many sliders DO ACTUALLY WORK.
- 3p slider is a good example, lower it to zero and nobody will shoot the bloody ball behind the arc!
But it doesnt work the opposite way
Raising it to 100 is a precondition to get anywhere NEAR the realistic amount of threes shot in modern game.


So yeah, A LOT of work for DEVS if they want a better product next year.

[Vedreanu]

Ok, so its either me completely losing my mind, or AI is starting to take over the humanity by operation MIND****!


I tried once again the "experiment", but this time I put offensive playcalling to AUTO. Then I put ACE on only for offense.
Nothing. Everything was just the same.

Final resort was changing ALL FREELANCES to Philadelphia to default ones (Default, Freelance 1, 2 and some other).

Phila played exactly the same actions as with 4 previous Freelances



But you know what kills me the most?
After setting Simmons DISH tendency to 1, he still passes every bloody ball, he even passes most of the time when driving to the basket.


So would someone please explain WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?!?

[MrWrestling3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Vedreanu

Ok, so its either me completely losing my mind, or AI is starting to take over the humanity by operation MIND****! I tried once again the "experiment", but this time I put offensive playcalling to AUTO. Then I put ACE on only for offense. Nothing. Everything was just the same. Final resort was changing ALL FREELANCES to Philadelphia to default ones (Default, Freelance 1, 2 and some other). Phila played exactly the same actions as with 4 previous Freelances But you know what kills me the most? After setting Simmons DISH tendency to 1, he still passes every bloody ball, he even passes most of the time when driving to the basket. So would someone please explain WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?!?

I think the actual game sliders can cause problems...like if the shot success is set too low, the CPU will pass out of that situation often because it's looking for the best available shot according to the shot success sliders.