The Great Ratings Debate (long)

[Jukeman]

Quote: Originally Posted by bowdown2shadi

Exactly what I was thinking. Especially with the rookies. I understand they should be lower, but you can't just say "I rate him 65". Give him the correct attributes, then see what his overall will be.

Agree....

Only thing I would touch is AWR, if his shooting, passing etc are fair then so be it but the guy should not come in the NBA with AWR in the mid 70's/80's

as for Rondo, he HAS trade value.....IMO you just cant rate somebody based on what the other guy is rated...This isnt fanasty league....The game has tendencies and the likes of Billups, Nash and Rose will STILL score waaaaay more points than Rondo....You cant rebound or defend as well with Nash as you can Rondo, just like you cant shoot as well or be as quick as Nash with Rondo....(if the rating work in this theory)

[Kushmir]

that's a good point...i guess the question is: what attributes would those be? these guys haven't played a minute in the NBA yet...should we rate blake griffin based on what he did againt Ok. State or north carolina?

see my point now? rookies are often exceedingly inconsistent and no one can say how well any of these guys will do. common sense says err on the side of caution and rate these guys low (i picked a 60 as a starting point for 1st rounders) now is that perfect? NOPE...but i think its a better idea than rating rookies higher than NBA starters.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Does it really matter what a player is rated nowadays when OVR rating doesn't even mean as much as what it used to be?

[chuckydee]

The Dalls Mavs drafted a rookie who signed and played well in the Vegas summer legue, Is
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in the game? Thanks

[ffaacc03]

The overall rating matters as someone said for trades purposing and more important ... for starting and playing time ...

With the ratings as of now, Rondo would have more trade value than Dirk, Duncan ... even Rose (and yes, I believe that while Rondo is more seasoned and proven, his potential development ceiling is lower than Derricks) ...

As stated before, I do believe that what really matters is that players act and behaive like their real life conterparts on court but sadly this "overall rating" has still too much importance to be overlooked ...

On the other hand, what we all need to do first is try to descifrate the formula that is behind those "new" ratings ... has anybody done that yet ? f.e. (If I remember right) last season 3pt rating was about: 45 (as base) + real life 3pt% stat + real life attemps per game ...

Once we do that, we would see if it is a global scale for everyone or if it has been manipulated to favor or disfavor some players and to what extend ...

We need to confirm the simmed stats that those ratings are providing and compare them to last season stats and the players lifestats to have a better opinion on them ...

Also, we need to be sure of what ratings affect more the final overall rating as the well known Awareness (O or D) and Potential, might not be the only significant ones this time around ...

Finally, an important thing to do would be to make an excell file and list all the players by position and individual ratings so we can compare them with detail and make a better judgement ...

[houston911]

why the hell does lebron get an A for outside shooting?

why does nash perimeter defense never get rated in the 50's? defensively hes the worst starting pg in the league

[ffaacc03]

Originally Posted by DaJuan44 (2K Forums)

Overall Rating Comparison
2k10 / (final update 2k9) Dif

PG:
1 - C.Paul 94 (102) -8
2 - D.Williams 89 (95) -6
3 - R.Rondo 87 (91) -4
4 - D.Harris 86 (93) -7
5 - C.Billups 85 (94) -9
6 - T.Parker 84 (93) -9
7 - G.Arenas 84 (90) -6
8 - B.Davis 82 (87) -5
9 - D.Rose 80 (87) -7
10 - S.Nash 80 (90) -10
11 - J.Kidd 80 (90) -10
12 - J.Nelson 79 (87) -8
13 - A.Miller 78 (88) -10
14 - N.Robinson 78 (87) -9
15 - M.Bibby 78 (85) -7
16 - K.Hinrich 77 (84) -7
17 - Mo Williams 77 (85) -8
18 - Q.Westbrook 77 (84) -7
19 - M.Ellis 76 (85) -9
20 - J.Calderon 75 (85) -10
21 - R.Alston 75 (83) -8
22 - D.West 75 (84) -9 switch SG
23 - R.Felton 74 (84) -10
24 - M.Chalmers 74 (82) -8
25 - M.Conley 74 (82) -8
26 - T.Ford 74 (84) -10
27 - J.Flynn 74 (Rookie)
28 - T.Lawson 74 (Rookie)
29 - R.Stuckey 73 (83) -10
30 - S.Blake 72 (79) -7
31 - C.Duhon 72 (81) -9
32 - J.Jack 71 (80) -9
33 - A.Brooks 71 (81) -10
34 - K.Dooling 71 (79) -8
35 - D.Fisher 70 (78) -8
36 - D.Augustin 70 (81) -11
37 - L.Williams 70 (80) -10
38 - J.Barea 69 (76) -7
39 - S.Curry 69 (Rookie)
40 - K.Lowry 69 (76) -7
41 - A.Daniels 68 (77) -9
42 - W.Bynum 68 (79) -11
43 - J.Holiday 67 (Rookie)
44 - S.Telfair 67 (76) -9
45 - J.Farmar 67 (77) -10
46 - L.Ridnour 66 (77) -11
47 - J.Teague 66 (Rookie)
48 - E.Maynor 66 (Rookie)
49 - R.Price 65 (74) -9
50 - J.Williams 65 (78) -13
... Udrih 64 (78) -14
... B.Jennings 64 (Rookie)
And: J.Bayless (65) T.Douglas (65/Rookie) D.Collison (65/Rookie)

SG:
1 - K.Bryant 97 (102) -5
2 - D.Wade 96 (104) -8
3 - B.Roy 87 (93) -6
4 - J.Johnson 83 (93) -10
5 - A.Iverson 83 (87) -4
6 - M.Ginobili 83 (90) -7
7 - V.Carter 81 (92) -11
8 - R.Allen 80 (90) -10
9 - O.Mayo 78 (85) -7
10 - R.Hamilton 78 (86) -8
11 - B.Gordon 78 (87) -9
12 - J.Terry 78 (86) -8
13 - K.Martin 77 (87) -10
14 - T.McGrady 77 (88) -11
15 - M.Redd 76 (85) -9
16 - J.Harden 76 (Rookie)
17 - J.Crawford 75 (85) -10
18 - L.Barbosa 75 (84) -9
19 - L.Hughes 73 (82) -9
20 - JR.Smith 72 (81) -9
21 - J.Richardson 72 (82) -10
22 - E.Gordon 72 (83) -11
23 - R.Bell 71 (79) -8
24 - T.Evans 71 (Rookie)
25 - T.Williams 71 (Rookie)
26 - R.Mason 71 (82) -11
27 - Foye 71 (83) -12
28 - R.Brewer 70 (80) -10
29 - K.Azubuike 70 (81) -11
30 - M.Pietrus 69 (78) -9
31 - S.Vujacic 69 (78) -9
32 - M.Miller 69 (79) -10
33 - W.Green 68 (79) -11
34 - A.Parker 68 (79) -11
35 - F.Garcia 68 (74) -6
36 - C.Lee 68 (80) -12
37 - R.Fernandez 68 (81) -13
38 - D.Stevenson 68 (76) -8
39 - R.Murray 68 (79) -11
40 - G.Henderson 67 (Rookie)
41 - S.Brown 67 (75) -8
42 - M.Finley 67 (78) -11
43 - N.Young 67 (78) -11
44 - C.Bell 66 (78) -12
45 - T.Allen 66 (76) -10
46 - D.Jones 66 (74) -8
47 - M.Bellinelli 66 (79) -13
48 - B****sh 65 (77) -12
49 - M.Daniels 65 (80) -15
50 - M.Dunleavy 64 (77) -13 switch SF

SF:
1 - L.James 96 (101) -5
2 - C.Anthony 88 (94) -6
3 - A.Iguodala 84 (90) -6
4 - D.Granger 84 (93) -9
5 - P.Pierce 84 (92) -8
6 - C.Butler 83 (90) -7
7 - K.Durant 82 (92) -10
8 - S.Jackson 81 (88) -7
9 - R.Artest 80 (87) -7
10 - G.Wallace 78 (86) -8
11 - R.*** 78 (85) -7
12 - J.Howard 77 (86) -9
13 - L.Odom 77 (88) -11
14 - T.Prince 77 (86) -9
15 - S.Marion 76 (84) -8
16 - H.Turkoglu 76 (86) -10
17 - R.Jefferson 76 (83) -7
18 - T.Young 75 (84) -9
19 - R.Lewis 75 (87) -12
20 - C.Maggette 75 (82) -7
21 - J.Green 74 (84) -10
22 - L.Deng 73 (84) -11
23 - T.Ariza 73 (80) -7
24 - W.Chandler 73 (82) -9
25 - M.Beasley 72 (80) -8 switch PF
26 - J.Posey 72 (82) -10
27 - S.Battier 72 (81) -9
28 - G.Hill 72 (81) -9
29 - L.Mbah a Moute 71 (78) -7
30 - J.Salmons 71 (84) -13
31 - A.Kirilenko 70 (81) -11
32 - A.Nocioni 70 (79) -9
33 - D.Brown 69 (Rookie)
34 - M.Williams 69 (80) -11
35 - T.Outlaw 69 (80) -11
36 - R.Balkman 68 (73) -5
37 - C.Brewer 68 (74) -6
38 - A.Thornton 67 (80) -13
39 - S.Young 67 (Rookie)
40 - M.Harpring 67 (76) -9
41 - L.Walton 67 (75) -8
42 - A.Randolph 67 (79) -12
43 - J.Moon 66 (78) -12
44 - A.Wright 66 (77) -11
45 - M.Barnes 66 (76) -10
46 - R.Gomes 66 (78) -12
47 - C.Budinger 65 (Rookie)
48 - D.McGuire 65 (71) -6
And: P.Stojakovic 62 (77) -15)

PF:
1 - K.Garnett 89 (98) -9
2 - T.Duncan 88 (98) -10
3 - P.Gasol 84 (93) -9
4 - C.Bosh 84 (92) -8
5 - C.Boozer 84 (91) -7
6 - A.Jefferson 84 (92) -8
7 - D.Nowitzki 83 (95) -12
8 - A.Stoudemire 82 (89) -7
9 - E.Okafor 79 (84) -5
10 - D.West 78 (90) -12
11 - E.Brand 77 (84) -7
12 - L.Aldridge 77 (87) -10
13 - J.Smith 77 (89) -12
14 - B.Griffin 77 (Rookie)
15 - D.Lee 77 (85) -8
16 - Z.Randolph 76 (87) -11
17 - A.Harrington 75 (85) -10
18 - A.Jamison 75 (88) -13
19 - R.Wallace 74 (86) -12
20 - P.Millsap 74 (83) -9
21 - K.Martin 74 (85) -11
22 - T.Murphy 74 (86) -12
23 - L.Scola 73 (83) -10
24 - B.Diaw 72 (84) -12
25 - C.Villanueva 72 (82) -10
26 - K.Love 72 (83) -11
27 - B.Wallace 71 (76) -5
28 - U.Haslem 70 (80) -10
29 - J.Maxiell 69 (80) -11
30 - A.Bargnani 69 (82) -13
31 - Ty.Thomas 68 (81) -13
32 - B.Bass 68 (78) -10
33 - T.Hansbrough 68 (Rookie)
34 - C.Landry 68 (79) -11
35 - McDyess 68 (82) -14
36 - M.Speights 67 (77) -10
37 - M.Gortat 67 (68) -1 switch C
38 - R.Turiaf 67 (77) -10
39 - L.Powe 66 (76) -10
40 - D.Gooden 66 (76) -10
41 - J.Thompson 66 (77) -11
42 - G.Davis 65 (79) -14
43 - L.Amundson 65 (71) -6
44- D.Arthur 65 (77) -12
45 - B.Wright 65 (76) -11
46 - J.Smith 64 (75) -11
47 - J.Powell 64 (75) -11
48 - P.Mensah 64 (76) -12

C:
1 - D.Howard 89 (95) -6
2 - Y.Ming 83 (92) -9
3 - S.O'Neal 81 (90) -9
4 - B.Lopez 77 (84) -7
5 - A.Horford 76 (86) -10
6 - H.Néné 76 (86) -10
7 - J.O'Neal 75 (85) -10
8 - A.Bynum 74 (83) -9
9 - G.Oden 74 (80) -6
10 - A.Biedrins 74 (87) -13
11 - M.Camby 74 (84) -10
12 - Z.Ilgauskas 73 (84) -11
13 - C.Kaman 72 (85) -13
14 - K.Perkins 72 (83) -11
15 - S.Dalembert 71 (80) -9
16 - A.Bogut 71 (79) -8
17 - K.Thomas 71 (79) -8
18 - M.Gasol 71 (79) -8
19 - M.Okur 71 (83) -12
20 - T.Chandler 70 (84) -14
21 - A.Varejao 67 (79) -12
22 - C.Andersen 67 (79) -12
23 - J.Noah 66 (80) -14
24 - Z.Pachulia 66 (75) -9
25 - B.Miller 65 (79) -14
26 - E.Curry 65 (74) -9
27 - J.Foster 65 (75) -10
28 - J.Przybilla 65 (79) -14
29 - S.Hawes 64 (79) -15
30 - R.Hibbert 64 (78) -14
31 - C.Wilcox 63 (73) -10 switch PF
32 - A.Blatche 62 (74) -12
33 - F.Oberto 62 (73) -11
34 - E.Thomas 62 (75) -13
35 - F.Elson 62 (68) -6
36 - E.Dampier 61 (76) -15
37 - J.Magloire 61 (70) -9
38 - N.Mohammed 61 (74) -13
39 - N.Krstic 60 (76) -16
40 - B.Haywood 60 (74) -14
41 - R.Nesterovic 60 (76) -16
42 - K.Koufos 60 (72) -12
43 - T.Ratliff 59 (74) -15
44 - P.Brezec 59 (-)
45 - M.Bonner 58 (72) -14
46 - J.Anthony 58 (71) -13
47 - D.Milicic 58 (70) -12
48 - H.Thabeet 57 (Rookie)
49 - D.Diop 57 (72) -15
50 - S.Hunter 57 (71) -14
And: DeAndre Jordan (56/72) H.Haddadi (55/70) M.Blount (54/68) R.Hollins (54/69) J.James (42)

[houston911]

Quote: Originally Posted by ffaacc03

The overall rating matters as someone said for trades purposing and more important ... for starting and playing time ... With the ratings as of now, Rondo would have more trade value than Dirk, Duncan ... even Rose (and yes, I believe that while Rondo is more seasoned and proven, his potential development ceiling is lower than Derricks) ... As stated before, I do believe that what really matters is that players act and behaive like their real life conterparts on court but sadly this "overall rating" has still too much importance to be overlooked ... On the other hand, what we all need to do first is try to descifrate the formula that is behind those "new" ratings ... has anybody done that yet ? f.e. (If I remember right) last season 3pt rating was about: 45 (as base) + real life 3pt% stat + real life attemps per game ... Once we do that, we would see if it is a global scale for everyone or if it has been manipulated to favor or disfavor some players and to what extend ... We need to confirm the simmed stats that those ratings are providing and compare them to last season stats and the players lifestats to have a better opinion on them ... Also, we need to be sure of what ratings affect more the final overall rating as the well known Awareness (O or D) and Potential, might not be the only significant ones this time around ... Finally, an important thing to do would be to make an excell file and list all the players by position and individual ratings so we can compare them with detail and make a better judgement ...

there should be a trade value rating