NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-2-13)

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Quote: Originally Posted by scooper1030

That's my point. Knicks fans overrate their players and don't know anything about players on other teams so they just assume that they must be SO MUCH WORSE than AMAZING players like Iman Shumpert. Luke Walton and Kwame Brown have a higher PER than Shumpert this season, you do know that right?

I know a lot about other players that don't play for the knicks, all I'm saying is they aren't as overrated as they are made out to be by some people.


and kwame and luke aren't guarding/playing against d-wade, kobe, westbrook, etc handling the ball nearly as much or coming off a torn acl like shump and you know and everyone else knows that shump is infinitely better then kwame and luke put together so your little stat charade is meaningless...

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Quote: Originally Posted by GudStuffzz

Shumperts handles aren't good. They're decent at best and he does NOT deserve a 76 rating for mid and 3 pt range He's shooting a HORRIBLE 16% from 16 ft and away, and even though his 3pt fg% is at 34% it's been dropping ever since. His vert is fine but he's not an explosive 1 foot jumper. He was like Jason Richardson back in the day... a 2 foot jumper. Solid defender no doubt but when you add everything up he shouldn't be an 80 overall.

I'm well aware of all this in case it isn't obvious enough I'm a knicks fan... in my roster I don't have shump as 80 he's lower because I'm not insane and I can see how he's playing...

and for the record I have kidd lower on my roster as well...

[skillz7854]

Why does Jeff Green still feel so stiff and he doesn't feel Athletic at all which he is in real life. He needs Posterior 2k!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqr41I96eow

Jeff Green needs a 80 rating he's the third best player on the team. Behind KG and Perice after Rondo went down. He averages 18 points per game in February.

Avery Bradley needs to at least be a 76 he doesn't deserve a 79 anymore

[scooper1030]

Quote: Originally Posted by c15dubb

I know a lot about other players that don't play for the knicks, all I'm saying is they aren't as overrated as they are made out to be by some people. and kwame and luke aren't guarding/playing against d-wade, kobe, westbrook, etc handling the ball nearly as much or coming off a torn acl like shump and you know and everyone else knows that shump is infinitely better then kwame and luke put together so your little stat charade is meaningless...

I'm not saying that Luke and Kwame are better than Shumpert, I know that's far from the truth. I also am aware that PER is a flawed stat, as it doesn't take defense into account. However, here are the facts we know about Shumpert from statistics:

1. He averages 8.5 points per 36 minutes, which is terrible.
2. His PER of 7.7 is atrocious.
3. He shoots 30 percent from the field and 67 percent from the free-throw line, both of which are horrendous numbers for a shooting guard.
4. He has contributed a negative number of offensive win shares in BOTH of his first two seasons as a pro.
5. When playing at shooting guard, Shumpert's opponent averages more points and assists than Shump, shoots a better field-goal percentage, has a higher PER and commits fewer fouls per 48 minutes.
6. The Knicks have been outscored by 29 points with Shumpert on the court. When he's on the bench, the Knicks have outscored their opponent by 224 points.
7. Shumpert is 15-56 on two-point attempts this season, a pathetic 27 percent conversion rate. It's even worse if you consider the fact that more than half of those attempts are at the rim.

Maybe you want to call all of this a "stat charade". But simply put, statistics DON'T lie. To be an 80 overall, a player has to be somewhat balanced and definitely not as one-dimensional as Shumpert is. The only things Shumpert can do well are defense and rebounding. So if someone could PLEASE tell me how given all those stats I just gave, he still deserves an 80 overall, I would love to hear your argument.

[Blackhail92]

as a knicks fan. I personally would have shumpert, j kidd, camby, and kenyon martin lowered if they would raise tyson chandler and melo since they are the ones having the best seasons on the team. melo deserves his 92 rating back. and tyson deserves any upgrade he can get. Shumpert is also on minute restrictions i believe. His defense has picked up recently. I believe he has 6 steals in one game

[Red Kafe]

Noah's passing should be a 65 , Layup could be a 64 he is missing more close baskets than he should . Ball handling up a lil as well as ball security could be a 20 . He's one of the best ball handling bigs in the league . And how's he has 80 stamina is beyone me should be at max a 86 .

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Quote: Originally Posted by scooper1030

I'm not saying that Luke and Kwame are better than Shumpert, I know that's far from the truth. I also am aware that PER is a flawed stat, as it doesn't take defense into account. However, here are the facts we know about Shumpert from statistics: 1. He averages 8.5 points per 36 minutes, which is terrible. 2. His PER of 7.7 is atrocious. 3. He shoots 30 percent from the field and 67 percent from the free-throw line, both of which are horrendous numbers for a shooting guard. 4. He has contributed a negative number of offensive win shares in BOTH of his first two seasons as a pro. 5. When playing at shooting guard, Shumpert's opponent averages more points and assists than Shump, shoots a better field-goal percentage, has a higher PER and commits fewer fouls per 48 minutes. 6. The Knicks have been outscored by 29 points with Shumpert on the court. When he's on the bench, the Knicks have outscored their opponent by 224 points. 7. Shumpert is 15-56 on two-point attempts this season, a pathetic 27 percent conversion rate. It's even worse if you consider the fact that more than half of those attempts are at the rim. Maybe you want to call all of this a "stat charade". But simply put, statistics DON'T lie. To be an 80 overall, a player has to be somewhat balanced and definitely not as one-dimensional as Shumpert is. The only things Shumpert can do well are defense and rebounding. So if someone could PLEASE tell me how given all those stats I just gave, he still deserves an 80 overall, I would love to hear your argument.

apparently you didnt read my other post but I really don't care... I just hope you had fun looking up all those stats...

and shump is a great defensive player and a solid offensive player, period. he tore his acl and has been playing basketball against the best players in the world for about a month... I'd say that anything you pull out of your.... as far as stats is baseless considering he hasn't been back that long from an injury that had him out close to a year...

as I said in a previous post I don't have him as an 80 overall in my roster and it wouldn't matter anyway based on how the "overall" stat is weighted heavily on certain things so keep looking up all the stats you like, shump is a better then average player and a great defender when he's been playing more then a month and back to his old self then come throw stats out....

[regGQ]

Shumpert definitely deserved his 80 rating after his rookie season but I agree that he should be lowered, expectations might have been too high after Adrian Peterson's comeback but that just makes AP's resurgence even more fascinating.

Shump tore his acl on the same day as Rose and kudos for him for coming back but he's been really struggling offensively even if his defense has been coming along this past couple games dude just doesn't look ready.

That being said, if Shump is decrease you have to increase Tyson/Melo's rating like homie said up there.