Corners breaking on the routes faster than the wide receivers

[MAzing87]

Quote: Originally Posted by Football4Natic

True that....I give you that point. But you can't say we need real life physics over what looks real. When the Corner in the APF video shows you the real physics based on having eyes in the back of the head and knowing that the receiver behind him has made a move. At least in NCAA the corner is looking directly at the receiver and reacting to his cut...It may not be real physics based cut but he is looking at the receiver as oppose to the APF video where the corner is not reacting based on what he sees. He is reacting based on what he cannot see but the code in the game tells him to cut since the receiver has cut. Both are bad examples...We cannot want real life physcis and not want realistic reaction based on where the defender is looking.

I agree with your observation in that the defender is reacting to the receiver while he's running downfield. That's just another issue really. How often have we all experienced plays where a pass is thrown to an intended receiver in EA football games, and a defender is running downfield not playing the ball whatsoever, simply reacts and bats the ball down as if he had sixth sense? I have seen them eliminate that in Madden 10 trailer, have they done so with NCAA 10? I have to ask... really.

[Pared]

Look, I'm not really into making this out to be about APF. The issued you mentioned can EASILY be solved by adding better head tracking (again, in APF).

But this isn't about APF, it's about NCAA, and the video Hel posted. We're focused on getting NCAA to look AND play better, so perhaps we should keep focus here. Regardless of the headtracking, what's the point if the player is looking at what they should but not moving like you'd expect a real life athlete to move because of momentum and physics?

Again... NCAA. The video shows how the defender should be bound to the same read and react that you'd expect... and it's part of a major issue that stems from a few years back when people complain about "pursuit angles."

[Tri-State Killa]

This game gets on my nerves.How is it that the corners in this game break for the ball harder than my recievers and seem to have better hands than my wide recievers.BS

[Koolie G]

I don't think the curl route is dead, you just can't throw it into man coverage. You have to actually find OPEN recievers and not rely on the AI being awful like in the past where you could get away with throws you shouldn't have made in the first place. I've completed curl routes in the couple games I've played. You throw those against soft zones and whatnot, not against tight man coverage.

The video is a little disturbing but after watching it a few times and pausing it, the problem comes when the DB makes his turn at the exact same time or very very near as the WR. The DB may have great awareness and anticipation or just guessed right on the route, but most likely it is a design flaw. It's not a game killer. The WR is open after the jam. Not every single play will a WR be open. I agree that the DB makes a different turn and not a planted cut, but I don't see anything wrong with the animation. The problem is just his lighting fast recognition of where the WR's route is going.

[larrygates]

About the APF corner having eyes in the back of his head. It looked like his head was swiveling the whole time. The corner seemed to be concerned with a deep route, and when he noticed the receiver was no longer running with him he moved his head and cut in. Of course WAY too late so the receiver was wide open. The DB was playing behind the route too.

About NCAA though, it got a little weird playing last night with Cincinnati. A team where I have to pass every down. I was running quick slants, a few outs. For the most part the Corners were cutting in on my in routes before the receiver was. And I'm pretty sure the guy was playing man on the corners. The curls only worked on a zone, and I threw HIGH and the receiver jumped like 2 feet in the air for the catch. Other than that, it looked like I was throwing to the corners on most of my timing routes.

One thing that bothers me is that I saw a corner was pressing me on a flag out pattern. I obviously threw a lob as soon as I saw the corner slip on the jam. Why wouldn't the receiver know the spot I'm throwing to is wide open? Any way the corner recovered while the ball was in the air, along with another defender breaking at light speed. Should have been an easy 7 or 8 yard fade type completion. Oh well, I'll try to user catch that in the future.

[Hellisan]

Quote: Originally Posted by ~Guru~

Are you a troof chaser now........

Well, I'm not an EA shareholder if that's what you mean. Sorry I can't be in that club with ya. I'm a supporter and a fan but I do have some objectivity.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kase

A good corner should be able to make this play. Granted I don't know how good the corner is in the video, but the wr has to slow down and make a 90 degree cut. The cb has already been beaten and doesn't have to slow down as much. Also, as previously mentioned, the cb doesn't have to make as sharp a cut, therefore he should be able to make up this ground on a short crossing route. If the cb is pressing and knows he's already been beaten, why wouldn't he try to undercut? He has safety help over the top and also the lb in the middle. This is the time cbs should be aggressive. When they have help!

I agree he should be aggressive with help over the top - I disagree about the process undertaken here to achieve the end result.

Quote: Originally Posted by sportyguyfl31

yeah, this has been a staple for at least a decade on heisman and all madden difficulty

It wasn't in the game last year at all. yes sometimes they'd beat you on that route, but it wasn't every time. I must have played at least 100 games on Heisman difficulty last year.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tri-State Killa

This game gets on my nerves.How is it that the corners in this game break for the ball harder than my recievers and seem to have better hands than my wide recievers.BS

Yeah and again, it's not that they do it, it's that they do it every time. We've all seen a CB play a full game against a WR and basically make a guess. Fine! This is every play.

The thing that makes me nervous is just thinking about an entire dynasty in my OD where you're seeing nothing but slants and drags (and the occasional out route) for every-down chain moving. Since the majority of the other routes don't work. Because just playing the game so far, there's almost no point to zone coverage since man is so much more efficient.

Thanks to everybody that replied, whether you agreed or not.

[jhawkmike]

The animations in that video look OK to me. The DB doesn't actually make a 90 degree cut, but rather a more rounded turn.

Perhaps the DBs are more athletic than the WRs in this game... i don't know yet because I haven't played it enough, but I can't make any judgment based on that video. That was just a bad route to run. When you blow past your man on bump and run coverage, the last thing you want to do is slow down.

It would also be interesting to know the attributes of the two players on this play. Agility, Speed, Awareness, Route Running, Acceleration

[NC State-31 UNC-27]

Helisan, Pared..you guys are correct. The DB play is unrealistic in NCAA 10. To me it's like NCAA '05 without the leaping swats. They just jump every route and play man coverage like a glove..every corner, no matter the ratings.

I wonder if sliders can tone it down...

And to the naysayers, yes you can still complete passes for a high average but it's a shame that you have to be so careful with every throw and mostly stick to slant routes and in routes waiting to ensure the WR comes wide open. If not wide open, if you complete the pass somehow, it's 100% that you'll be tackled before you can take a half step.

A shame really but what can you do. The passing in this game is just horrible. No touch passing, incredible DB play, WRs not being aggressive, etc.