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  • Tuscaloosa
    Pro
    • Jul 2016
    • 564

    #1

    Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

    Because if anyone should know anything about shanking the hell out of a kick, it's a Bama fan, right?

    For the last few days, I've been working on a way to give new life to the kicking game for the USER, and I think I may have found it. At least a new option. This may be hard to explain with words, so I may have to create an image at some point, but I'll try to be concise.

    At this point, I think all of us make 95+% of our field goals, if not 100%, to the point where many of us have just chosen to sim. This is because the "cone" that you aim with (the one with three lines, left, right, and middle) is too forgiving. You don't have to hit dead center to make your kicks. When does it become unforgiving? When you miss, outside of the cone. I noticed how the "aiming dial" is much more sensitive outside of the cone than it is inside it, in terms of the direction the kick will take. So, I've designed this system which requires kicking outside of the cone (most of the time) to make your field goals.

    Pros: The challenge of field goals & extra points increases drastically. That hook/slice that kickers have is brought back into the game. Misses will occur. Accuracy is all on you. When's the last time you weren't sure about a game winner?

    Cons: Kicker accuracy rating is rendered meaningless (but unless you sim, wasn't it already meaningless?).

    What You Do: Change your kicker's accuracy rating to 53 (every year). 53 is the minimum for kicking straight every time in any weather. At 52, it just goes random in rainy weather, even if you hit it perfectly. This is crucial since the idea is built around missing outside of the aiming cone. At anything higher than 53, you will miss too accurately. Sometimes, usually at short to mid-range, you end up kicking within the cone due to the angle. The exact spots will change depending on your kicker's power, but I just consider this the kicker's "sweet spot". And, in real life, most kickers struggle the most the further back they go. So, this also seems like a realistic quality.

    Slider for USER FG Power needs to go to 100. The low accuracy takes distance off of the kicks. This actually works out IMO, as it puts kickers with a 99 power attribute at about a 55-56 yard max range in this system. USER FG Accuracy needs to be set to 30.

    Now, for the actual kicking. Ignore the yellow arrow entirely. It is not relevant in this system. If the ball is spotted outside of the uprights, you align either the left or right line of the aiming cone (whichever makes sense, given the direction of the kick) with the line at the very top of the power meter(pic below). If you were to kick it normally from here, you would miss wide every time. So, this now requires you to land your "aiming line" outside of the aiming cone in the proper direction for getting the hook/slice you need to make the kick. If the ball is spotted inside the uprights, you align the top line of the power meter exactly halfway between the center line of the aiming cone and either the left or right line, depending on the direction needed(pic below). Practice is recommended, and I actually found kicking in practice a lot of fun. Imagine that...

    Less power = more control: For extra points and short/mid-range, less power on the power meter produces less hook on the kicks. I've never been a kicker, but I imagine that this might also be realistic since most kickers become less accurate the further back you go

    So, that's it. If you managed to make it through that read and have any questions, be sure to ask. This has made kicking very fun, risky, and uncertain. The way it should be.


    https://ibb.co/nAfRby - Ball spotted outside the uprights.


    https://ibb.co/j7tq3d - Ball spotted inside the uprights.
    Last edited by Tuscaloosa; 08-11-2018, 01:30 PM.
  • SilverBullet19
    MVP
    • Oct 2015
    • 4090

    #2
    Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

    I think I've got the gist. Simplfied a bit:

    -set accuracy for the kicker to 45
    -set slider pwr to 100
    -set slider acc to 0
    -Do not use the arrow to aim. attempt to aim the kick simply with the flick of the joystick either left or right.

    So, for example: I'm on the left hash, which is wider than the goalpost. Without adjusting the aim arrow, and doing a "perfectly accurate" kick, it would go straight and miss wide left.

    Using this system, I do NOT use the left stick to aim. I only use the right stick. I pull back for power, and flick up. As I flick up, I attempt to flick to the right. Ideally, I am flicking far enough right that the kick will hook into the uprights.

    Is that the idea?
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    • Tuscaloosa
      Pro
      • Jul 2016
      • 564

      #3
      Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

      Originally posted by SilverBullet19
      I think I've got the gist. Simplfied a bit:

      -set accuracy for the kicker to 45
      -set slider pwr to 100
      -set slider acc to 0
      -Do not use the arrow to aim. attempt to aim the kick simply with the flick of the joystick either left or right.

      So, for example: I'm on the left hash, which is wider than the goalpost. Without adjusting the aim arrow, and doing a "perfectly accurate" kick, it would go straight and miss wide left.

      Using this system, I do NOT use the left stick to aim. I only use the right stick. I pull back for power, and flick up. As I flick up, I attempt to flick to the right. Ideally, I am flicking far enough right that the kick will hook into the uprights.

      Is that the idea?
      No, not quite. I tried what you're describing a long time ago, and it was still way too easy. I'm not saying you don't move the yellow arrow, I'm just saying you ignore its position. Read my post again closely and you'll see what I mean. You actually position the yellow arrow in a way that you are going to miss wide to the other side of the goal posts. It's all done with the aiming cone though. That's the important thing. The arrow is irrelevant. That's why I said to ignore it's position, but you do move it, essentially into a wide left/right position. You don't leave it straight and just use the right stick; there's more to it than that.

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      • SilverBullet19
        MVP
        • Oct 2015
        • 4090

        #4
        Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

        Originally posted by Tuscaloosa
        No, not quite. I tried what you're describing a long time ago, and it was still way too easy. I'm not saying you don't move the yellow arrow, I'm just saying you ignore its position. Read my post again closely and you'll see what I mean. You actually position the yellow arrow in a way that you are going to miss wide to the other side of the goal posts. It's all done with the aiming cone though. That's the important thing. The arrow is irrelevant. That's why I said to ignore it's position, but you do move it, essentially into a wide left/right position. You don't leave it straight and just use the right stick; there's more to it than that.
        Oh ok, I think I've got it now lol. I'll give it a shot in practice mode maybe tomorrow.
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        • Tuscaloosa
          Pro
          • Jul 2016
          • 564

          #5
          Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

          Originally posted by SilverBullet19
          Oh ok, I think I've got it now lol. I'll give it a shot in practice mode maybe tomorrow.
          Yeah, I'd love to hear what you think. Once I got everything just right, I spent like 45 minutes in practice, just kicking, having a blast. I sat down planning to spend 15 minutes just sort of learning my kickers spots on the dial before a game, and before I knew it time had flown by.

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          • falcor1234
            Rookie
            • May 2013
            • 444

            #6
            Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

            could you post a video or some screen shots? I think I understand what youre saying but im not entirely sure. thanks.

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            • The Great Jerni
              Rookie
              • Jun 2018
              • 5

              #7
              Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

              For instance, say you are on the left hash. After you've lined up for the FG, the arrow is pointing to the left of the left goal post. What do you do with the arrow?
              A) Move the arrow further to the left
              B) Leave the arrow where it is
              C) Move the arrow so that it aims to the right of the right goalpost
              D) something else?

              Now say you are exactly in between the hashes. Do you
              E) Move the arrow so that it points outside either of the goalposts (your choice)
              F) Leave the arrow where it is
              G) something else?

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              • young22
                Banned
                • Feb 2017
                • 2083

                #8
                Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

                I'm confused on this

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                • Tuscaloosa
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 564

                  #9
                  Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

                  Originally posted by The Great Jerni
                  For instance, say you are on the left hash. After you've lined up for the FG, the arrow is pointing to the left of the left goal post. What do you do with the arrow?
                  A) Move the arrow further to the left
                  B) Leave the arrow where it is
                  C) Move the arrow so that it aims to the right of the right goalpost
                  D) something else?

                  Now say you are exactly in between the UPRIGHTS. Do you
                  E) Move the arrow so that it points outside either of the goalposts (your choice)
                  F) Leave the arrow where it is
                  G) something else?
                  Great questions, should help me clear things up.

                  Question 1: The answer is C. This is what the lines on the aiming cone are used for. Too far, and a kick becomes impossible to make.


                  Question 2 (slightly amended): You move the arrow to the opposite side. If the ball is spotted dead center of the field, it works fine to pick either side to move the arrow to. Again though, the aiming cone is the crucial part. You don't even look at the arrow. Ball spotted inside the uprights = top line of power meter should be aligned halfway between the center and left/right lines of the cone (depending on which side of center field the ball is spotted on). Ball spotted outside of the uprights = left or right line of cone aligned perfectly with top line of power meter.

                  I hope this helps. I know it sounds confusing at first, but if you go to practice and read along with what I wrote, I'm sure it will make sense.

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                  • Tuscaloosa
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2016
                    • 564

                    #10
                    Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

                    Originally posted by falcor1234
                    could you post a video or some screen shots? I think I understand what youre saying but im not entirely sure. thanks.
                    Attempting to take pics, but it turns out that I have the most non-user friendly piece of **** camera in the world, so... we'll see.


                    Alright, edited into OP.
                    Last edited by Tuscaloosa; 07-20-2018, 02:48 PM.

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                    • Tuscaloosa
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 564

                      #11
                      Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

                      It's essentially what Bullet was saying, where you use the right stick to do the aiming. Only, instead of leaving the aiming straight, in its natural position, you move it to the most difficult, yet still makeable position. This is why the cone and its lines are what is relevant and crucial, and the arrow should be ignored. If you just move the arrow outside of the uprights at random, there are kicks that can't be made. If you go by the lines in the cone, every kick can be made or missed.

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                      • GrayDawg
                        Pro
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 864

                        #12
                        Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

                        What a find this is. Messed around with this in practice mode last night. Any recommendations for cpu sliders?

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                        • Tuscaloosa
                          Pro
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 564

                          #13
                          Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

                          Originally posted by GrayDawg
                          What a find this is. Messed around with this in practice mode last night. Any recommendations for cpu sliders?

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                          Glad someone gave it a go and enjoyed it. As for CPU sliders, I've just been going with the standard community sliders, which is FG POW - 70 & FG ACC - 35. Since implementing this setup, 10 games in, my senior kicker is 8-11 (72%), with a long of 44. 2 of the 3, I missed, and the other was a shank that was on target but only went about 20-25 yards. It looked like the kicks from when I tested kicker accuracy attributes under 45 (actually more like when you kick with someone out of position - something else I initially tested). This just so happened to be his next kick, following a botched extra point, before I learned the hook on those. Which I find very interesting, because I've had QBs & RBs get "rattled". So, if this could now possibly happen to kickers, I think I would enjoy the unpredictability, rather than it being a negative. Plus, in that same game, he went on to make his next kick. So, if that was the case, he was able to recover, which is great. I still need to do more in-game testing, but really enjoying it so far.

                          My stats vs CPU:

                          Top kickers in the nation - 11 guys are between 90-100%

                          My kicker - 8-11 (72%)

                          Worst kickers in the nation - 16 guys are between 33-50%


                          Longest field goals - 2 guys with 56, 4 guys with 55. In this kicking system, I find that max USER range using a kicker with 99 PWR is 55-56 yards. So, this works out perfectly. My kicker's (86 kick power) long is 44 so far. In practice, I find his max range to be about 46-47.

                          Before I took over UTEP, in his first two years, he went 7-11 & 10-19. So, this is definitely a lot closer to sim than just banging out 100%.

                          I feel like I can sometimes feel a difference in SR, JR, SO, & FR QBs, regardless of what the attributes say "on paper". So, my next thought is - does the same thing apply to kickers? 12 of the 16 worst kickers mentioned above are FR, so we'll see. If my kicker did in fact get "rattled", was he able to recover better/quicker being a (RS)SR than an underclassman would? Only time will tell, but I'll be sure to give updates with stats and scenarios.
                          Last edited by Tuscaloosa; 07-22-2018, 01:33 PM.

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                          • GrayDawg
                            Pro
                            • Aug 2013
                            • 864

                            #14
                            Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

                            Originally posted by Tuscaloosa
                            Glad someone gave it a go and enjoyed it. As for CPU sliders, I've just been going with the standard community sliders, which is FG POW - 70 & FG ACC - 35. Since implementing this setup, 10 games in, my senior kicker is 8-11 (72%), with a long of 44. 2 of the 3, I missed, and the other was a shank that was on target but only went about 20-25 yards. It looked like the kicks from when I tested kicker accuracy attributes under 45 (actually more like when you kick with someone out of position - something else I initially tested). This just so happened to be his next kick, following a botched extra point, before I learned the hook on those. Which I find very interesting, because I've had QBs & RBs get "rattled". So, if this could now possibly happen to kickers, I think I would enjoy the unpredictability, rather than it being a negative. Plus, in that same game, he went on to make his next kick. So, if that was the case, he was able to recover, which is great. I still need to do more in-game testing, but really enjoying it so far.

                            My stats vs CPU:

                            Top kickers in the nation - 11 guys are between 90-100%

                            My kicker - 8-11 (72%)

                            Worst kickers in the nation - 16 guys are between 33-50%


                            Longest field goals - 2 guys with 56, 4 guys with 55. In this kicking system, I find that max USER range using a kicker with 99 PWR is 55-56 yards. So, this works out perfectly. My kicker's (86 kick power) long is 44 so far. In practice, I find his max range to be about 46-47.

                            Before I took over UTEP, in his first two years, he went 7-11 & 10-19. So, this is definitely a lot closer to sim than just banging out 100%.

                            I feel like I can sometimes feel a difference in SR, JR, SO, & FR QBs, regardless of what the attributes say "on paper". So, my next thought is - does the same thing apply to kickers? 12 of the 16 worst kickers mentioned above are FR, so we'll see. If my kicker did in fact get "rattled", was he able to recover better/quicker being a (RS)SR than an underclassman would? Only time will tell, but I'll be sure to give updates with stats and scenarios.
                            I have the same slider setup for the cpu. Going to start playing some games with this setup. Been playing a replay of last season while waiting on the new community rosters to drop. So I'll be playing with a variety of kickers.

                            Something to consider is the awareness within the classes of kickers. Possibly the combination of awareness and accuracy.

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                            • Tuscaloosa
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2016
                              • 564

                              #15
                              Re: Revivifying USER Field Goal Kicking

                              Originally posted by GrayDawg
                              I have the same slider setup for the cpu. Going to start playing some games with this setup. Been playing a replay of last season while waiting on the new community rosters to drop. So I'll be playing with a variety of kickers.

                              Something to consider is the awareness within the classes of kickers. Possibly the combination of awareness and accuracy.

                              Sent from my SM-G900P using Operation Sports mobile app
                              I've had the same thoughts. Out of convenience, I did test a kicker with 99 AWR & 99 KPW vs a punter with those same attributes, and also both with 99 KPW, but one with 99 AWR and one with 0 AWR. I couldn't tell any difference in either scenario, but A) I only tested in practice, and B) like you said, really need to test with two actual kickers. I still have a few ideas to try out, so I appreciate the ideas/feedback.

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