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Old 08-21-2024, 02:11 PM   #25
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Re: Take Two and NFL Decline to Comment on NFL 2K Game

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'Following this report, Mike Straw of Insider Gaming tweeted something similar to what Sports Gamers Online was told. “After speaking with multiple sources,” Mike Straw tweeted, “it’s been reiterated to me that NFL 2K Playmakers is just the “first step” in the game release plan with the license between the NFL and 2K."

This is from four months ago. Who knows.

https://www.sportsgamersonline.com/g...n-development/
All I know is my Take-Two stock has gone up 10% in the last week so they have the money for the NFL simulation license.
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Old 08-21-2024, 05:13 PM   #26
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Blame needs to go to the consumers imo. Not enough people spoke with their wallets.
Not enough people spoke with their wallets because 2K did not produce a game which was compelling enough for their monetary speech. That's 2K's fault.
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Old 08-21-2024, 08:26 PM   #27
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Not enough people spoke with their wallets because 2K did not produce a game which was compelling enough for their monetary speech. That's 2K's fault.
I agree. They went from 2k5, which had great depth to 2k8 which was essentially just a shallow season mode, H2H, and limited customization. They overestimated the fan interest in NFL HOFers. That was a time where 2k Sports were consolidating their portfolio. Any title that wasn't selling well was dropped. Visual Concepts/2K wasn't as popular mainstream as are now. I always felt the NFL Legend route was limiting because you can't have a true type of Franchise mode with legend.

I've been at the point where i have little faith. I always felt a new game from scratch coming out within 4 years was far fetched. Even a game like EA CFB 25 was built off the Madden engine. But, next year should be the time when NFL should decide whether Madden gets the extra year. Even if an arcade 2k game comes out next year, I don't think it's success will impact NFL's decision. It'll be whether NFL wants to maintain consistency or wants to change it up.
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Old 08-21-2024, 10:46 PM   #28
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I agree. They went from 2k5, which had great depth to 2k8 which was essentially just a shallow season mode, H2H, and limited customization. They overestimated the fan interest in NFL HOFers. That was a time where 2k Sports were consolidating their portfolio. Any title that wasn't selling well was dropped. Visual Concepts/2K wasn't as popular mainstream as are now. I always felt the NFL Legend route was limiting because you can't have a true type of Franchise mode with legend.

I've been at the point where i have little faith. I always felt a new game from scratch coming out within 4 years was far fetched. Even a game like EA CFB 25 was built off the Madden engine. But, next year should be the time when NFL should decide whether Madden gets the extra year. Even if an arcade 2k game comes out next year, I don't think it's success will impact NFL's decision. It'll be whether NFL wants to maintain consistency or wants to change it up.
Was the game ever going sell if it didn't have an NFL license, even if it had a deep franchise mode and excellent customization options?

I doubt it. Keep in mind that Madden still had some goodwill from it's PS2 days, customization wasn't quite what it is today, 2KSports wasn't what it is today, etc.

So when 2K/VC said that APF was to 1. create one last game for 2K football fans and 2. test if there was a market for another football game, I tend to believe them. I thought the legends didn't really expand their audience but alot of 2K fans enjoyed that game for a very long time.

Backbreaker, Blitz, Maximum Football all essentially came and went. Imo, APF probably had the most longevity of any of them but it was never going to last as a simulation without the NFL license.
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Old 08-22-2024, 12:44 AM   #29
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Not NFL 2K related but EA is a bunch of liars

https://insider-gaming.com/ea-fc-25-...k-competition/

They are definitely afraid of 2K competition. If 2K ever got the Fifa license. They'll figure out a way to lock out 2K just like they're doing with the NFL license.

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Re: Take Two and NFL Decline to Comment on NFL 2K Game

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Not NFL 2K related but EA is a bunch of liars

https://insider-gaming.com/ea-fc-25-...k-competition/

They are definitely afraid of 2K competition. If 2K ever got the Fifa license. They'll figure out a way to lock out 2K just like they're doing with the NFL license.
If so, that would be a business decision made well above the developers who are being quoted. It's possible the developers themselves don't really care all that much personally and would welcome the challenge professionally.
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Old 08-22-2024, 01:33 AM   #31
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Re: Take Two and NFL Decline to Comment on NFL 2K Game

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Not NFL 2K related but EA is a bunch of liars

https://insider-gaming.com/ea-fc-25-...k-competition/

They are definitely afraid of 2K competition. If 2K ever got the Fifa license. They'll figure out a way to lock out 2K just like they're doing with the NFL license.
EA has a proven track record that they rather have the playing field to themselves. To say they are not afraid of competition is comedic, but what are are they suppose to say when forced to answer the question. The real proof is in there history.
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Old 08-22-2024, 01:33 AM   #32
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Re: Take Two and NFL Decline to Comment on NFL 2K Game

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Not enough people spoke with their wallets because 2K did not produce a game which was compelling enough for their monetary speech. That's 2K's fault.
2K was always going to be at an extreme disadvantage given the constraints they were placed in when EA severely limited what avenues 2K could take in making a "compelling" football game.

EA signed exclusivity rights for the NFL, NCAA, and even Arena League if I'm not mistaken - all within a few months of each other. It's been nearly 20 years so my memory has kinda faded on it.

This idea that 2K needed to deliver some impossibly fantastical game that had remarkable gameplay, a deep franchise mode, full customization options, owner's mode, etc. imo is another reason why I can understand why 2K wouldn't want to make another attempt at making a simulation football game.

To me it's a wonder they even made APF2K8. I probably said this a long time ago, but they made that game essentially with one hand tied behind their back. And implemented/delivered gameplay concepts that stood the test of time for another decade+ and two console generations later? That's crazy.

APF2K8 surely could've been better; I'll even give you maybe it should have been better. But imo trying to absolve any consumer responsibility and place all the blame at 2K's feet is wrong. ESPECIALLY given the limited space they could operate in at the time.
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