2021-2022 Hot Stove Thread

[CBoller1331]

Not exactly a Hot Stove topic, but Andrew Miller announced his retirement.

Interesting that he was so involved in negotiating the new CBA and now won't play under it. Kind of interesting to compare that with Scherzer who said he definitely doesn't want to be involved in negotiations again whether he is playing or not (I certainly don't blame him). I guess props to Miller for trying to work a deal that didn't benefit him much

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[rdnk]

Quote: Originally Posted by ninertravel

well they did kinda tank like the Astros and Cubs just not quite as bad as losing 100 games. the Phillies are really the only team right now that we can say the tanking hasn't worked yet. but they didn't give it enough years I guess Detroit about to hit that tanking works soon. and Baltimore and Miami are only a couple of years away too.

Well the idea with the tank is to spend money when it matters. Astros, Cubs, Washington, Phillies and now Detroit have spent some serious dough trying to become good when they were trying to pull out of their respective rebuilds.

I'd much rather have done a Jays style retool where they team didn't have to be a bad for as long, but Detroit (and Philly) was so overleveraged with bad contracts and no farm trying to win their first title with that group, that they really had no other option than a total purge. As we've seen with Philly, it's no guarantee of success; they've been stuck now in the doldrums for several years. That said, as long as there are success stories, teams will keep doing it.

[ninertravel]

Quote: Originally Posted by rdnk

Well the idea with the tank is to spend money when it matters. Astros, Cubs, Washington, Phillies and now Detroit have spent some serious dough trying to become good when they were trying to pull out of their respective rebuilds. I'd much rather have done a Jays style retool where they team didn't have to be a bad for as long, but Detroit (and Philly) was so overleveraged with bad contracts and no farm trying to win their first title with that group, that they really had no other option than a total purge. As we've seen with Philly, it's no guarantee of success; they've been stuck now in the doldrums for several years. That said, as long as there are success stories, teams will keep doing it.

I am still gonna say Atlanta did it too guys Like Simmons La Stella Heywood the uptons kimbrell uggla etc they all cleaned out.

[Majingir]

Quote: Originally Posted by ninertravel

Both. Have a 0.4 war too. The trade helps both teams though grickuk project for a better season, that’s probably before the trade though.

An underrated part of the deal, Jays got an IF prospect.

So that's an extra player they have should they want to package some guys for a certain star IF. Or it makes them more willing to part with a better prospect if they really think that new prospect might pan out.

[KingOfLanglade]

Quote: Originally Posted by Majingir

An underrated part of the deal, Jays got an IF prospect. So that's an extra player they have should they want to package some guys for a certain star IF. Or it makes them more willing to part with a better prospect if they really think that new prospect might pan out.

You are going to speak that Ramirez deal into existence and I love it!

[Majingir]

Quote: Originally Posted by baxtercherry

You are going to speak that Ramirez deal into existence and I love it!

Besides the Jays, has anyone else been linked to him?

The deal makes too much sense for the Jays for it to not happen.

He's the exact player they need/plays the position they need, with the bonus being that the guys responsible for him in Cleveland are running the Jays now too.

[Majingir]

Not a direct response, but Jays commented on the vaccine requirements impact on their team.

Basically, they mention that they weren't able to sign certain FA or make certain trades after finding out the player wasn't vaccinated.

So for all those teams complaining about playing up to 10 road games in Toronto due to a "competitive disadvantage", Jays still this season are being impacted by the very same rule, for an entire season, and they're ok with it.

[AUTiger1]

Quote: Originally Posted by rdnk

Well the idea with the tank is to spend money when it matters. Astros, Cubs, Washington, Phillies and now Detroit have spent some serious dough trying to become good when they were trying to pull out of their respective rebuilds. I'd much rather have done a Jays style retool where they team didn't have to be a bad for as long, but Detroit (and Philly) was so overleveraged with bad contracts and no farm trying to win their first title with that group, that they really had no other option than a total purge. As we've seen with Philly, it's no guarantee of success; they've been stuck now in the doldrums for several years. That said, as long as there are success stories, teams will keep doing it.

Quote: Originally Posted by ninertravel

I am still gonna say Atlanta did it too guys Like Simmons La Stella Heywood the uptons kimbrell uggla etc they all cleaned out.

The Braves did tank, but my original comment about the Braves payroll has nothing to do with them tanking. The Braves have long had a reputation of not spending big money. We're talking about for nearly 20 years back to the early 2000s when they let the likes of Glavine, Maddux, Sheffield, Lopez, Drew, Furcal, Andruw, ect. all leave cause they didn't want to spend money to keep them.



The only reason Chipper didn't end of leaving as well was because he always took less money to stay with the Braves. Heck, the Braves once traded Kevin Millwood for a little known minor league catcher named Johnny Estrada in a pure salary dump move cause they said they couldn't afford to pay both Millwood and Maddux back in 2003.

Braves payroll is top 10 right now for the first time in years. Braves fans had to sit and watch as teams all around baseball spent money while the Braves payroll never went up. It stayed in the same $80M-$100M range for many years. It was depressing to a point to see. But now the fan support and revenue is finally being put back into the roster and it's exciting to see.