Role player or All star

[ojandpizza]

I think in Ray Allen's case he was at the point where he was getting too old to do it alone regardless if he wanted to or not, same with Garnett, or a player like Ron Harper when he joined the bulls..

However those guys being able to alternate their game and style of play to fit in with a winning makes them much more valuable to me than an Allen Iverson or Amar'e. That's my opinion anyways..

Buuuuut Ron Harper and Ray Allen weren't always "role players" they are both former superstars. Which was my point in one of my above posts. It all depends on how good the role-player is, and what you consider a "role-player" in the first place..

Also I think Vince Carter really try's to fit into a team concept and did sacrifice parts of his game when he left Toronto for NJ.. He's never been on a championship level team, but I don't think it's because of his inability to fit in as a team player.

I think your Michael Cooper suggestion is a good one, except for the fact that playing with Magic, Worthy, and Kareem was going to win you a title regardless of who you are. 90% of the players in the league are considered "role-players" to those guys.. When you think about how many other good players came through LA in the "Magic era" Scott, McAdoo, Cooper, AC Green, Norm Nixon - all of these could have probably been stars had they not played on one of the most stacked teams of the 80s.. And McAdoo was a former superstar..

In almost every circumstance where a role player would even be considered good enough to be as valuable as a superstar, that player is either an ex superstar who has aged or a player that given the chance in another situation could themselves become a star..

That's my opinion anyways..

Look at it this way: if Chris Bosh never makes another all star game because he is now a role-player and not a one man show would he be more valuable than a Blake Griffin or Amar'e if they are all stars for the next few years? I would say yes, but as we know from what he could do in Toronto Bosh is very capable of being a star himself.. If you took somebody who wasn't like Haslem, I would say no, there is no way Haslem would be more valuable to me than Amar'e or Griffin..

[The15thunter]

it's possible to be more valuable to a team or a concept than a better player. value is relative, but there are definitely teams, schemes and philosophies that value a certain skillset or mentality over a superior player's raw ability, because that player simply wouldn't work.

[Rule of Two]

If only Dennis Rodman could've scored in the NBA like he did college...

Would've been one of the greatest of all-time.

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rule of Two

If only Dennis Rodman could've scored in the NBA like he did college... Would've been one of the greatest of all-time.

lol well considering how horrible of schools he played for in college it's obvious as to why he didn't.. That is. HUGE jump, going from somewhere of that low in prestige to the NBA

[DieHardYankee26]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rule of Two

If only Dennis Rodman could've scored in the NBA like he did college... Would've been one of the greatest of all-time.

He was anyway.