POLL: Thoughts on refs swallowing their whistles at the end of games?

[ojandpizza]

I think the entire premise of the argument is completely overblown. I don't think it's really that big of an issue or something that's nearly as noticeable as people make it out to be.

A slap on the wrist that isn't called in the first quarter is no big deal, at the end of the game it's "swallowing the whistle" and even on here we'll have 4 pages worth of complaining.




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[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by Majingir

why can't they just ref fairly?

The problem is, 99.9% of the time they do. But people want ignore that, and focus on the .1% of which it's their opinion that it's unfair.

The problem with being a fan and trying to judge officiating is that you'll always be biased, even if unintentional. Biased more so than anything a ref does, and the issue with that is you see what you want to see.

For example, there's already been a couple times this seasons where you yourself have said "had that been LeBron", "if it was LeBron", etc. LeBron isn't even top 10 in free throw attempts, he's barely in the top 15. As a team Toronto is 6th in the league in free throw attempts, where is Cleveland, where is Golden State? 2-4 are Nuggets, Suns, Hornets..

Back to the see what you want to see thing... if a D level player gets a questionable call nobody says anything. You might have the "I dunno about that one" remarks, but in the grand scheme of things nobody cares.. If it's an A level who gets one questionable call go his way all of a sudden it's "he always gets that", "superstar call", all that ****. People like to make their own narratives and let their own bias and judgment dictate what a ref should/shouldn't call.


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[TheFinalEvent97]

It would be fine except players now realise they can get away with more, Spurs vs Thunder Game 2 of last years playoffs is a good example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJEoEQvNO6s

Ginobli guarding the inbounds pass steps on/over the line
Waiter elbows Ginobli in the chest
Danny Green more or less tackles Kevin Durant
Steven Adams is grabbed by a fan
Aldridge is fouled on the putback attempt

[CaseIH]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

I believe in consistency in officiating. If you've been calling ticky tack crap all night long, don't get down to the last 3 minutes of the fourth quarter and start swallowing your whistle. That goes for the opposite as well. If you've been letting guys play all night don't get into the last few minutes of the game and decide you want to start calling everything in sight. I'd rather not have every game be a whistle fest, but if you call it that way the whole way through, then it is what it is, at least you're being consistent then.

This is my view as well, just call it fair, if you let them play then let them play the whole game, if your calling ticky tack fouls, then do it the whole game, just be consistent in it. I dont like foul fest games, and college has gotten bad about that, so I prefer letting guys play physical without every little touch be called a foul. I also dont like hearing well he is a star. he should get the benefit of calls, that BS, a foul is a foul, dont matter if your the best in the game, or the worst player in the league. Refs will miss calls, they are only human, just as players miss shots, so they will miss a call every now and then, and thats fine, I just ask wether it be a ref in basketball or a ump in baseball, be consistent in your calls the entire game.

[DieHardYankee26]

Gotta be consistent. Don't get me to the 9th inning and then decide every pitch is a strike and we aren't calling balls anymore. The timing of the game shouldn't have any impact on the officiating.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Has it ever been proven that being near the top of the league in FTA = getting more calls or is that just something that we fans automatically assume is the case?

I feel like with that, it's something you have to look at on a game by game basis and not just use season averages because it assumes that officiating is the same across the board when we all know it's not. And this is coming from the only person on here who doesn't think officiating is that bad as we think it is.


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[ojandpizza]

I don't guess there is a way to prove it, but on the reverse there is no way to prove otherwise either.

I've been going to and being a somewhat fan of Memphis ever since a team moved there in 2001. In these past 16 years not once have I felt "man the Grizz just don't get the calls these other teams do". Nor have I ever felt that Kobe, LeBron, or whoever have just stepped on the court and gotten the benefit of whistles that Bonzi Wells or Courtney Lee weren't getting.

You hear a commentator say something about giving the star the benefit of the whistle, and all the sudden it goes from them justifying just one 50/50 play to the reaction that "it's been happening all game long, all season long, every time they have the ball". When in reality it's really not even like that. You could make the argument for any player. I could tally up every time Tony Allen got the benefit of the whistle and come on here and say "he gets all those superstar calls". The problem is people only care when it's a superstar, they don't care when it's a normal player so it goes unnoticed.


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[ojandpizza]

It's Maj complaining that Toronto doesn't get calls that I'm more so arguing about. DeRozan meanwhile is shooting about as many free throws a game as Westbrook, having the ball less with a lower usage, taking less shots, etc..

And if what he says is completely true DeRozan's foul rate would go down against the "star" teams. Although that logic would be broken considering Toronto made the ECF last year, had two all stars, two players on team USA, and DeRozan's game high for free throws this year is 17 and that game was against Golden State.




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