Eastern Conference Finals: (2)Boston Celtics vs. (4)Cleveland Cavaliers

[VAWereWolf65]

Quote: Originally Posted by areobee401

I refuse to even entertain the thought of discussing hypothetical trade ideas involving Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward, especially right now. Folks are quick to allow themselves to be caught in the moment and forget what guys have to offer. Over the past 48 hours I have seen or heard armchair general managers suggest trades involving Kyrie and Hayward for a combination of Harrison Barnes, Dwight Powell, Kyle Kuzma, Luol Deng, and picks among other incomprehensible packages. And just to set my annoyance levels over the top, I see the dumb Anthony Davis crap popping up again.

If Kyrie Irving for Anthony Davis was possible, I might be comfortable with that trade as a celtics fan. But people saying the celtics should trade for more wing players like Kawhi Leonard are just out of their mind. You’re already going to have to try and work Tatum into the Power Forward position once Hayward gets back, if you throw another wing onto that team, it won’t work out well

[ProfessaPackMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by VAWereWolf65

Never said he was a ball stopper, it’s just not his playstyle. He averaged 5.1 APG this season. No matter how you put it, 5.1 APG are not great passing numbers for a point guard. That doesn’t mean he hurts the team, because you have guys like Al Horford, Marcus Smart, etc. that are all very willing passers. You just don’t see him in a playmaking role, even though it would probably benefit the team more than constant isolations.

Was speaking in general, not you directly because I’ve heard this same thing on Twitter and other sites as well. But still, my original point remains.

But I do know that if Rozier was struggling or even if the Cavs were up 2-0, all these hypothetical trade scenarios involving Kyrie would not be popping up right now.

And Kyrie has never been a high assist guy in his career(Pretty much always been average in that regard)but even with that, the other things he did on the court offsets that. I’m just not ready to get behind the “They should consider trading Kyrie because of Rozier” train yet.


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[jeremym480]

Quote: Originally Posted by VAWereWolf65

If Kyrie Irving for Anthony Davis was possible, I might be comfortable with that trade as a celtics fan. But people saying the celtics should trade for more wing players like Kawhi Leonard are just out of their mind. You’re already going to have to try and work Tatum into the Power Forward position once Hayward gets back, if you throw another wing onto that team, it won’t work out well

Narrator: It's not possible

After the season the Pel's just had I can pretty much guarantee that there's no way that they trade AD at this point... and if they it did happen us Boston guys would probably be sick because it would take way more than just Kyrie.

Also, I don't see low assists numbers as a negative against Kyrie. No Celtics PG is really going to have high assists numbers in Stevens' system. Since Rondo left and Brad's system was fully implemented, IT is the only player to have more than 6 (6.2) assist per game. Boston plays though so many players that I don't see that changing anything soon, no matter who's running the show.

[ojandpizza]

My biggest hang up on the Kyrie situation is what Boston can afford. If it means trading Kyrie and they get to keep Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Brown all long term I think it's something to consider. Rozier is not Kyrie, that's not really the point, the bigger issue is they are losing Smart, will then lose Rozier, and eventually need to be able to pay Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Brown, Tatum..

[ProfessaPackMan]

But we’re acting like each of them will be getting max contracts and they’ll struggle to build the team.

People forget they have like 8 draft picks over the next few years and if they hit on 3 or 4 of those, then they won’t be losing guys like Smart and Rozier because of Kyrie, but because they have cheaper, better and younger options available. And it’s not like the guys they may lose are guys they can’t replace from a production or even skill standpoint either.

If anything, you can say that’s a good problem to have where they have so many good-possibly great players to pay that they might struggle to pay some of the role players.

Rozier, Smart(a year ago, people had no problem moving him in a trade)Tatum, Brown or Kyrie, Brown, Tatum, Hayward? We all know this is an easy one.

[jeremym480]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

My biggest hang up on the Kyrie situation is what Boston can afford. If it means trading Kyrie and they get to keep Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Brown all long term I think it's something to consider. Rozier is not Kyrie, that's not really the point, the bigger issue is they are losing Smart, will then lose Rozier, and eventually need to be able to pay Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Brown, Tatum..

Wyc Grousbeck recently said that they would be okay with going deep into the luxury tax and do whatever it takes to win. If that's true then I'm not worried about cap space in the future because you don't really need cap space as long as you're just retaining your own players.

I also think that there's a good chance the C's bring back Smart. Salaries have caught up with the cap now so the days of so-so players getting massive deals are over. If you look at the cap space around the league there's only a handful of teams that can afford to pay big money for a FA, (well, unless they make some moves to free up some space). As long as no other team really goes crazy, then I believe Boston can bring Smart back at around deal similar to what Andre Roberson got (maybe a little higher something in the $12-13 mil/season range). With that said, all it takes is one team to do make a big offer and that's what makes me nervous.

Now, in 2019 that's when things start to get really hairy. Because Kyrie's
Player Option and Rozier becomes a RFA. if he continues playing at a high-level, then I'm sure there's some team out there that will offer Terry some big bucks. However, if there's one positive it is that I think there won't be much of a PG market by then. Most teams already have a PG, just drafted one, or will draft one in the next two drafts. With all that said, it's going to be tough to hold on to everyone, not just because of money but because of minutes, as well. Either way #InDannyWeTrust

[VAWereWolf65]

Quote: Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan

Was speaking in general, not you directly because I’ve heard this same thing on Twitter and other sites as well. But still, my original point remains. But I do know that if Rozier was struggling or even if the Cavs were up 2-0, all these hypothetical trade scenarios involving Kyrie would not be popping up right now. And Kyrie has never been a high assist guy in his career(Pretty much always been average in that regard)but even with that, the other things he did on the court offsets that. I’m just not ready to get behind the “They should consider trading Kyrie because of Rozier” train yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I 100% agree. I don’t see why any celtics fan would be okay with getting rid of Kyrie. He’s not a great passer, but like you said, his other skills outweigh his lack of playmaking by a large margin.

The only player i’d be willing to give Kyrie up for as a celtics fan is Anthony Davis, which seems to not be in the interest of the pelicans.

[Scott812313]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

True, but they are just the better team. If that weren’t the case I’d feel more confident in what you’re saying, but outside of Bron and Love Boston is better players 3-10, and it’s both ends. Idk if the inexperience catches up to them (they’ve been pretty poor on the road) but they feel like the favorites right now baring a giant fall apart on their end or big jump forward from Cleveland. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I can't believe that anyone still thinks Love is better than Horford, or even close. Love does absolutely nothing in terms of winning plays and he's a low efficiency scorer. He does throw a mean full court pass every 5 games, though.