Brady, P.Manning or Roethlisberger?

[carnalnirvana]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeremym480

Who has had a better three year start to the career as a starting QB than Rodgers? Heck, what current player has had a better three year stretch than Rodgers period? The only ones that I can think of is Manning from 04-06 and Phillip Rivers' current stretch. I'd call that Elite.

drew brees might disagree seeing that he had a 5 yr run leading up to his SB win

tom brady might be offended as well

and since you mentioned ring less philip i'll add washed up carson 05-07 hahahah

[carnalnirvana]

Quote: Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan

Who in the world said they were a 14-2 or 19-0 team? You're reaching for a whole lot of nothing right now so I'll let this slide temporarily as I'm still in the process of celebrating this win but once it wears out, the hole poking in your case is going to proceed.

fair enough enjoy your night bro

[carnalnirvana]

anyway fellas yall got me in a role i dont want, i like AR so lets get off this who's better who's not nonsense

we all got opinions and i'll agree to disagree

[snepp]

You're the one that started it, couldn't back any of it up with any kind of reasonable rationale, and now you're telling everyone else to stop?

[lonewolf371]

Quote: Originally Posted by carnalnirvana

again all valid points however i disagree. but i will agree AR is a beast, and it was fun watching his great QB play in the playoffs this year. i hate pundit logic of a great playoff year makes you one of greatest/best/HOF forget top 5 how even be compared to a guy like brees at this point of his young career

I'm guilty of this to some extent. I think it's made a lot of other QBs top QBs, like maybe you start considering Eli as a top ten after he wins, and maybe Roethlisberger is a top 5 after he wins two. But those guys never provided regular season performance to make any of that definitive.

The difference with Rodgers is that his stats have been on the same level as Manning and Brees the last few years. He hasn't been on the same level as Brady in stats if you count Brady's last three healthy seasons, but he has the championship that Brady doesn't. So, if your stats are elite for a lengthy time period and you just won the Super Bowl, really it's pretty ignorant to say a guy isn't even in consideration for being top QB in the league. Earlier I just said that Rodgers should be in the thread title. I'm not going to necessarily proclaim him #1, but he should be in the discussion. If we're talking careers, he obviously loses.

Also, while it's crazy to proclaim some of these guys too early, it's also a little crazy to put guys that have had past success on some sort of pedestal such that they can't be surpassed by a younger generation of players with similar levels of performance.

[jeremym480]

Quote: Originally Posted by lonewolf371

I'm guilty of this to some extent. I think it's made a lot of other QBs top QBs, like maybe you start considering Eli as a top ten after he wins, and maybe Roethlisberger is a top 5 after he wins two. But those guys never provided regular season performance to make any of that definitive. The difference with Rodgers is that his stats have been on the same level as Manning and Brees the last few years. He hasn't been on the same level as Brady in stats if you count Brady's last three healthy seasons, but he has the championship that Brady doesn't. So, if your stats are elite for a lengthy time period and you just won the Super Bowl, really it's pretty ignorant to say a guy isn't even in consideration for being top QB in the league. Earlier I just said that Rodgers should be in the thread title. I'm not going to necessarily proclaim him #1, but he should be in the discussion. If we're talking careers, he obviously loses. Also, while it's crazy to proclaim some of these guys too early, it's also a little crazy to put guys that have had past success on some sort of pedestal such that they can't be surpassed by a younger generation of players with similar levels of performance.

Well said. I'm not saying the Rodgers is better than Manning, Brady, Big, Ben, Brees, etc. but, IMO he's definitely up there wit those guys. Like I said a few weeks ago, there isn't a single QB in the league that I would trade for him. Especially, when you consider his age, mobility and his ability to take care of the football. The sky is the limit with this guy.

[z Revis]

Quote: Originally Posted by lonewolf371

Also, while it's crazy to proclaim some of these guys too early, it's also a little crazy to put guys that have had past success on some sort of pedestal such that they can't be surpassed by a younger generation of players with similar levels of performance.

I have no problem with it. Manning and Brady have earned that pedestal and are still playing at a high level. We're talking about two HOF's. Two guys who are arguably both top 5 QB's of all time. And both of them are still playing at a high level. The last 4 MVP's have been awarded to them and each have played in a Super Bowl in that span. I'm not putting a player who has played 3 seasons above them(granted, an amazing 3 seasons, but it's not like it's out of this world better than what Manning & Brady have done).

[bill2451]

I still dont get why Ben is even in the discussion. Yes, I admit he is capable of coming up with big plays at times and can get creative out there to keep a play alive. HOWEVER, that does not change the fact that his game is severely lacking when compared to truly elite QB's.

Championships does not a QB make. If you put Manning or Brady, or Brees, etc on the Steelers, they are going to be a dirty dirty disgustingly good team. I would love to see what Manning could do on a real team, just once. But he has never had players around him that were remotely close to as good as the Steelers or Pats teams put around Ben and Brady.

The only reason Ben is even in the discussion for some people is because of this magical "clutch" ability he has. But even if we pretend that clutch does exist, even that can be very misleading and is the result of other players on the team 99% of the time. Let's not forget Manning lead the Colts on the game winning drive against the Jets in the playoffs, only to have his special teams/defense completely fall apart in the final 45 seconds. A QB can only do so much, and if the rest of your team is completely inept, you could be the greatest player in the world and your team will still struggle.