2011/12 Defensive Player Of The Year

[goh]

Wrong 49er,it should be And.....Justin Smith.

[NateDogPack12]

I think it will be Allen because 22 sacks is too much to ignore, but I would give the award to Suggs. I think his play actually impacted the Ravens in a positive way, helping them win games. Allen, while he played well and worked his butt off, showing great character along the way, really didn't lift his team up.

[untrugby]

I think 22 sacks can be ignored when you look at the circumstances.

Allen played for a 3-13 team on the 21st ranked defense. Only one player has gotten the DPOY on a defense ranked lower than 14th. That was Reggie White and he had 21 sacks but in just 12 games.

Theres a precedent of sack leaders on bad defenses/teams losing the DPOY to players with slightly less sacks on better defense/teams.

[kingkilla56]

Quote: Originally Posted by untrugby

Allen played for a 3-13 team on the 21st ranked defense. Only one player has gotten the DPOY on a defense ranked lower than 14th.

I think Allen's circumstance only builds a stronger case for him.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by untrugby

I think 22 sacks can be ignored when you look at the circumstances. Allen played for a 3-13 team on the 21st ranked defense. Only one player has gotten the DPOY on a defense ranked lower than 14th. That was Reggie White and he had 21 sacks but in just 12 games. Theres a precedent of sack leaders on bad defenses/teams losing the DPOY to players with slightly less sacks on better defense/teams.

Yeah, I need to go with the King on this one.

The fact that he rose above the 21st ranked defense and despite playing on a 3-13 team, he nearly broke the sack record.

If Favre was playing against him in the last game, he might have let him have sack #23.

[untrugby]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

The fact that he rose above the 21st ranked defense and despite playing on a 3-13 team, he nearly broke the sack record.

Im talking about the who will win side of the argument. Just looking at the history of the award sack leaders on worse defenses often get overlooked. Even record setters have been skipped over. I just think its a low % chance that Allen gets the award.

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If Favre was playing against him in the last game, he might have let him have sack #23.

and if he plays a starting QB he might not have even lead the NFL sacks

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by untrugby

Im talking about the who will win side of the argument. Just looking at the history of the award sack leaders on worse defenses often get overlooked. Even record setters have been skipped over. I just think its a low % chance that Allen gets the award. and if he plays a starting QB he might not have even lead the NFL sacks

I understand what you are talking about, but I still feel Allen will win, history or not. He's been overlooked when the Vikings were good.

Gut feelings sometimes when out over stats. I'm going on my gut, you can go on historical stats if you choose.

And we don't play in a world of if's, would of's could of's. A lot of that is being played out on here at OS.

[untrugby]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

I understand what you are talking about, but I still feel Allen will win, history or not. He's been overlooked when the Vikings were good. Gut feelings sometimes when out over stats. I'm going on my gut, you can go on historical stats if you choose.

if hes been overlooked even when the vikings were good why wouldnt he be overlooked now? its roughly the same people voting right?

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And we don't play in a world of if's, would of's could of's. A lot of that is being played out on here at OS.

you started the "if" game