2K Halftime Announcer Damon Bruce in Hot Water Over Rant on Women

[FR33]

Quote: Originally Posted by yungflo

I dont mind a woman coaching in the NBA but playing in the NBA shouldn't be allowed. Sorry to all the feminists out there but strengthen your own league. I'm sure there are some women that can hang in the NBA but nah still against it. I never seen a woman outside an agile sport say like tennis or volleyball hang. Women age much faster than men when it comes to physical contsct sports. They peak in college or in the first two years of the nba. That's why women's college basketball is so much better than the pros. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

As a woman I agree that women should not play in the same league with men, this is precisely why the WNBA was created. There is a pretty big difference in the physicality of men's and women's sports. Nothing wrong with that, just reality. Hell my own father told me that he didn't like women's basketball (even though I played basketball), mostly because they don't dunk like the men.
I disagree with your comment about women aging faster. Injuries affect all athletes. There is one major difference that men never have to deal with, which is having children. This can stall a woman's career or even prompt an early retirement. I think that the reason a lot more men are not as interested in women's sports - particularly basketball - is because woman focus a lot more on fundamentals and men are more flashy, entertainers. I'm not saying that men don't hone their fundamental skills, but if we're being honest most look to entertain and get noticed more so than they look to be fundamentally correct. Just look at all of the traveling and carrying that occurs in men's basketball. I prefer college basketball to pro basketball & pro football to college football. I like all 4 sports, but that's my opinion and what I like. I don't have a problem with someone not liking a sport for their own personal reasons, but that's no excuse for overly disrespectful as Bruce was. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but it can be shared without being an ******* about it. Also, I agree with Taer that 2K should use this opportunity to redo the halftime show.

[FR33]

Quote: Originally Posted by MarvinOida

How amazing would it be if we got the TNT guys or even better the NBATV guys? And make a combination of NFL 2K5's and NCAA Football 14's presentation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Glad I'm not the only one who still remembers that. Question is why the hell did 2K forget??? I've been waiting for them to bring back the presentation from NFL 2K5. 2K was so far ahead it's time on Dreamcast. Would love for them to bring back NFL 2K too. An updated version of the 2K5 presentation would be amazing on next gen.

[FR33]

Quote: Originally Posted by yungflo

tennis, track, volleyball, softball, lacrosse. List can go on..

Thank you for pointing these out. Some people are just narrow-minded and prefer to live in their own bubble. There are more than just the 3 major pro sports of basketball, football, and baseball.

[shegotgame]

Quote: Originally Posted by Halloween

I hate this feminsim bull****.

Me too. I hate equality!

[Taer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ramboooo

How so? Like specifically...

As in: What experience with professional - level sports do you specifically have?

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...What the hell does a family member know about what goes on the field / court / lockerrooms that would be more credible than actually PLAYING the sport? You make no sense. ...

This is a red herring .. but I'll play along with you anyways just because.

First, let's get something straight: A person that played a particular sport does have a type of credibility that is unique. However it is not the supreme and only source of creditability which is what you are strongly suggesting.

Secondly, a family member sometimes has more direct knowledge then you think. A person that grows up in a sports family can provide valuable and unique insights into aspects of the sport. An example is Johnathon Martin's family can provide very valuable insight into Martin's state of mind as we sit here writing posts in this thread.

A daughter who has had personal dealings with players and the owners could use that first-hand knowledge as a unique tool in analysis of that sport.

Also, more females are involved in the coaching and management side of sports every year. At the college level, you even see females on the sidelines of football games on national t.v. during broadcasts. I believe there are females on the Lakers trainer staffs currently. All of these experiences can lead to insights used for analysis.

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... Or maybe you misunderstood. It's not a sexist thing, it's a who's been there, done that thing. I'll take Charles Barkley's opinion over Ernie Johnson simply because he has the first hand experience. There's no woman analyst, as smart as she may be, who has first hand experience of PLAYING in any of the major pro sports.

I think it is you is misunderstanding what this is all about: It is not about the credibility of playing the sport or even if a specific male analyst is better than a specific woman analyst. It is about access to the sport at the professional level itself.

A woman reporter forced to stand in the tunnel outside of a locker room after a game misses things said in that locker-room that her male counter parts could use to gain an unfair advantage in reporting. This direct and historical example of denying access is how news organizations justified not hiring and using female reporters in their sports divisions. This is a problem. This is what Damon Bruce is saying we should go back to as a society.

So the whole: who's been there done that thing takes on a whole separate meaning when viewed in the access angle. Damon Bruce in his rant was not just taking a position that women don't have the unique quality of having been a player or coach - he was taking a position that sports is a male exclusive world and one that women should be barred completely from it.

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... Yes this is true seeing as how I'm not a hermaphrodite who has equal access to bother genders lockerrooms. Pretty sure females are more sensitive. You may want to pretend there are no physical or emotional differences between genders, but reality says otherwise.

Oh boy. I think you should have just never commented on this in the first place. Sensitivity has nothing to do with gender. I know women who are both sensitive and insensitive. I know men who are both sensitive and insensitive. What the "culture" is like in a locker room is important to all of us, regardless of our sex. I'm pretty damn sure that Jonathon Martin's father thinks it is very important and that he is more sensitive of the Miami Dolphin team culture than both you and I.

Also, the whole physical and emotional differences between genders "reality" is controversial and up for debate. This is not the place for that discussion. Let us both agree to disagree here and move on.

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... Yeaaaah... I'm not talking "culture" like hey I'm in a foreign land what is this strange food I am putting into my mouth. Culture as in sub-culture / sports environment.

Let me put this part in other words... perhaps this will make it clearer to you.

Damon Bruce is advocating for limiting access of the professional sports to men only. This is access at all levels. This in turn limits the possibilities of female reporters, female doctors, female coaches and many more. You may think it is totally o.k. to bar women reporters from the sports divisions of ESPN or Fox Sports. I don't.

As many others in this thread state: women sports are something that they don't follow or are even interested in. Therefore, in the above ESPN or Fox Sport reporting positions if women are denied access then women are denied these positions. You are supporting the discrimination of over 50% of our population when talking about these reporting positions. If this is what you support, so be it. I do not.

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... The only issue with Damon Bruce is that he is telling it like it is: that sports don't need a feminine influence of sensitivity, that society is becoming soft, that EVERYTHING is being called "bullying" these days. I'm sorry but you think our grandfathers n great granfathers who were busy winning WW1 and WW2 were crying "he called me a bad word!" No they actually had backbones.

Sensitivity is not gender based. Also this above is borderline offensive and insulting to me personally. My sister, an army nurse who has been in the operating room saving wounded soldiers lives from combat wounds has more backbone then many of her male army associates.

This notion that society is "soft" etc is just plain wrong. Is everything being called bullying today correct? No, I don't think it is. Again, let us just agree to disagree here.

[Ramboooo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Taer

As in: What experience with professional - level sports do you specifically have? This is a red herring .. but I'll play along with you anyways just because. First, let's get something straight: A person that played a particular sport does have a type of credibility that is unique. However it is not the supreme and only source of creditability which is what you are strongly suggesting. Secondly, a family member sometimes has more direct knowledge then you think. A person that grows up in a sports family can provide valuable and unique insights into aspects of the sport. An example is Johnathon Martin's family can provide very valuable insight into Martin's state of mind as we sit here writing posts in this thread. A daughter who has had personal dealings with players and the owners could use that first-hand knowledge as a unique tool in analysis of that sport. Also, more females are involved in the coaching and management side of sports every year. At the college level, you even see females on the sidelines of football games on national t.v. during broadcasts. I believe there are females on the Lakers trainer staffs currently. All of these experiences can lead to insights used for analysis. I think it is you is misunderstanding what this is all about: It is not about the credibility of playing the sport or even if a specific male analyst is better than a specific woman analyst. It is about access to the sport at the professional level itself. A woman reporter forced to stand in the tunnel outside of a locker room after a game misses things said in that locker-room that her male counter parts could use to gain an unfair advantage in reporting. This direct and historical example of denying access is how news organizations justified not hiring and using female reporters in their sports divisions. This is a problem. This is what Damon Bruce is saying we should go back to as a society. So the whole: who's been there done that thing takes on a whole separate meaning when viewed in the access angle. Damon Bruce in his rant was not just taking a position that women don't have the unique quality of having been a player or coach - he was taking a position that sports is a male exclusive world and one that women should be barred completely from it. Oh boy. I think you should have just never commented on this in the first place. Sensitivity has nothing to do with gender. I know women who are both sensitive and insensitive. I know men who are both sensitive and insensitive. What the "culture" is like in a locker room is important to all of us, regardless of our sex. I'm pretty damn sure that Jonathon Martin's father thinks it is very important and that he is more sensitive of the Miami Dolphin team culture than both you and I. Also, the whole physical and emotional differences between genders "reality" is controversial and up for debate. This is not the place for that discussion. Let us both agree to disagree here and move on. Let me put this part in other words... perhaps this will make it clearer to you. Damon Bruce is advocating for limiting access of the professional sports to men only. This is access at all levels. This in turn limits the possibilities of female reporters, female doctors, female coaches and many more. You may think it is totally o.k. to bar women reporters from the sports divisions of ESPN or Fox Sports. I don't. As many others in this thread state: women sports are something that they don't follow or are even interested in. Therefore, in the above ESPN or Fox Sport reporting positions if women are denied access then women are denied these positions. You are supporting the discrimination of over 50% of our population when talking about these reporting positions. If this is what you support, so be it. I do not. Sensitivity is not gender based. Also this above is borderline offensive and insulting to me personally. My sister, an army nurse who has been in the operating room saving wounded soldiers lives from combat wounds has more backbone then many of her male army associates. This notion that society is "soft" etc is just plain wrong. Is everything being called bullying today correct? No, I don't think it is. Again, let us just agree to disagree here.

I've played enough sports, had enough teammates, and been around it enough to be familiar with the culture / environment.

He never said to limit access to men only.

He said sports has a setting and is male dominated. Both true - especially in the pros. He doesn't want to limit women, he wants them to understand that sports will not bow down to their politically correct, over-sensitive influence. Btw he said that about MEN too so he's not just limiting it to gender, he's talking about a type of behavior. What the hell is wrong with that?? Nada!

Ok you're right... Sensitivity has nothing to do with gender, Women and men are totally identical, Guys can get pregnant, Normal doesn't exist, and oh Santa Claus is real. Ppl so afraid to call something what it is or use their eyeballs... Anyway no need to debate this anymore with you because your premise is totally fantastical to me to pretend that there's zero difference between the genders.

[RangersCruz]

Quote: Originally Posted by FR33

As a woman I agree that women should not play in the same league with men, this is precisely why the WNBA was created. There is a pretty big difference in the physicality of men's and women's sports. Nothing wrong with that, just reality. Hell my own father told me that he didn't like women's basketball (even though I played basketball), mostly because they don't dunk like the men. I disagree with your comment about women aging faster. Injuries affect all athletes. There is one major difference that men never have to deal with, which is having children. This can stall a woman's career or even prompt an early retirement. I think that the reason a lot more men are not as interested in women's sports - particularly basketball - is because woman focus a lot more on fundamentals and men are more flashy, entertainers. I'm not saying that men don't hone their fundamental skills, but if we're being honest most look to entertain and get noticed more so than they look to be fundamentally correct. Just look at all of the traveling and carrying that occurs in men's basketball. I prefer college basketball to pro basketball & pro football to college football. I like all 4 sports, but that's my opinion and what I like. I don't have a problem with someone not liking a sport for their own personal reasons, but that's no excuse for overly disrespectful as Bruce was. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but it can be shared without being an ******* about it. Also, I agree with Taer that 2K should use this opportunity to redo the halftime show.

Well said

[BBallcoach]

The only thing I know that he said is that "Women sports do not entertain us" and with that I do agree and disagree. That's not to be said that women aren't great athletes, but women's basketball is not entertaining. I like watching women's hockey and soccer they are entertaining, so is softball, volleyball and women's tennis. But women's basketball is not, the ball is smaller, is a much slower game and less physical. The girls that actually do get really physical dominate, think Griner and some of the other great women's players (Cheryl Miller, Nancy Leiberman ect). But overall the product is poor. But I will say it is getting better,