Backlash Presented by Smackdown Live 9/11/16

[Bard]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheShizNo1

It's Kane. Who cares. In the moment, maybe it isn't that bad, but why would people continue to care about Bray? Clean or shenanigans, he's taking an L. Again, who cares? In the moment, good match. But, Ziggler continues to be nothing more than a mid/upper card jobber and Miz (as the best heel on the roster) continues to be stuck in the mid card. Those matches/moments alone, I agree that they weren't that bad. But it was pretty much status quo for all involved and I don't think that's a good thing.

Honestly...it sounds like you need a break. I personally loved both matches, and how everything played out last night.

I know everyone has different tastes and blah blah, but man, last night was a pretty solid PPV. Those two matches were above average to solid, but you're still finding a way to moan over them.

[TheShizNo1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bard

Honestly...it sounds like you need a break. I personally loved both matches, and how everything played out last night. I know everyone has different tastes and blah blah, but man, last night was a pretty solid PPV. Those two matches were above average to solid, but you're still finding a way to moan over them.

LOL. How do you read that post and say that? I clearly said, those matches alone weren't bad and even said Miz/Ziggler was good.

Here's another way of saying what I said coming from someone else:

Quote: Originally Posted by SidVish

As for Bray and Ziggler I don't care anymore. I get how some think that they were booked strong but it doesn't matter to me because at the end of the day they just lose and lose and lose. And Kane? That just made me care even less about the match.

What's next? Kane (hopefully) goes away. Ziggler continues to rack up losses. Miz continues to shine as a heel but remains nothing more than a gatekeeper. Wyatt continues to (shenanigans or not) lose.

[Bard]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheShizNo1

LOL. How do you read that post and say that? I clearly said, those matches alone weren't bad and even said Miz/Ziggler was good. Here's another way of saying what I said coming from someone else: What's next? Kane (hopefully) goes away. Ziggler continues to rack up losses. Miz continues to shine as a heel but remains nothing more than a gatekeeper. Wyatt continues to (shenanigans or not) lose.

It's more like contradicting than anything, maybe it is too early for me? Who knows.

However, when I came into this brand split, I literally gave everyone a clean slate because you kind of have to. I mean look at Heath Slater of all people is one half of the first ever Smackdown Tag Team Champions, and everyone loves it.

You say you didn't mind those two matches, but then you say they are practically jobbers.

Bray put on a very entertaining no DQ match against a near 50 year old Kane. Kane even at 50 still is Kane. Bray also got RKO'd...this isn't the end of that, not by a long shot.



Ziggler lost an average match against Dean Ambrose showing me he isn't exactly main event worthy in this brand split until proven otherwise. Then he goes on and puts on an amazing match with Miz that ended only because of pepper spray. Ziggler will be perfect for the mid card, and could fill in the main event scene.

[TheShizNo1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bard

It's more like contradicting than anything, maybe it is too early for me? Who knows. However, when I came into this brand split, I literally gave everyone a clean slate because you kind of have to. I mean look at Heath Slater of all people is one half of the first ever Smackdown Tag Team Champions, and everyone loves it. You say you didn't mind those two matches, but then you say they are practically jobbers. Bray put on a very entertaining no DQ match against a near 50 year old Kane. Kane even at 50 still is Kane. Bray also got RKO'd...this isn't the end of that, not by a long shot. Ziggler lost an average match against Dean Ambrose showing me he isn't exactly main event worthy in this brand split until proven otherwise. Then he goes on and puts on an amazing match with Miz that ended only because of pepper spray. Ziggler will be perfect for the mid card, and could fill in the main event scene.

There are no contradictory statements. Jobbers can put on entertaining matches. I agree to an extent on the fresh view of the brand split. But I'm not sure how you erase years (years, man) of Wyatt and Ziggler always taking L's. How does one take them seriously enough to win a big match? Slater has nothing to do with this conversation as his situation is nothing like the others. I think you're really optimistic and I'm going off of what the company has done with all guys included in the last couple of years. I should give them a break because of the fresh split, correct? How do I do then when after the brand split they're in the exact same situations they were before it?

[Bard]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheShizNo1

There are no contradictory statements. Jobbers can put on entertaining matches. I agree to an extent on the fresh view of the brand split. But I'm not sure how you erase years (years, man) of Wyatt and Ziggler always taking L's. How does one take them seriously enough to win a big match? Slater has nothing to do with this conversation as his situation is nothing like the others. I think you're really optimistic and I'm going off of what the company has done with all guys included in the last couple of years. I should give them a break because of the fresh split, correct? How do I do then when after the brand split they're in the exact same situations they were before it?

I really can't say you're wrong due to the fact nobodies opinions are. However, Bray has won a majority of his feuds if I remember correctly? He may have lost the bigger ones, but still. Ziggler on the other hand is a lot more interesting because he is an all talk, all performer, no success (except 2013 and prior).

I threw Slater in there because he is a jobber, Wyatt and Ziggler could win the big one at any moment if the E decided they wanted to. Both men have had bad booking, but I wouldn't consider them even close to jobber status...especially with the brand split being how old?

[Mercury112491]

Honestly if you look back throughout history many of the all time greatest heels were mid carders who occasionally filled in at the main event level. I don't think Miz is a true main event guy. He is absolutely perfect where he is and with what he's doing.

Ziggler is pretty much the same way. He's a great IC upper mid card talent who occasionally can jump up to the main event scene. As a face. As a heel I think he's good enough to actually have a short run as champion.

Both guys are doing great work in their roles. So just enjoy it.

As for Bray, I agree he's been mishandled in the past. I don't, however have any problems with how he's been booked since the split.


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[UFCMPunk]

Quote: Originally Posted by cima

The last 3 major WWE champions have been AJ Styles, KO, and Finn Balor. New era indeed. GJ Vince Sent from my no one actually cares where I sent this from using Tapatalk

If you include the fact Nakamura is the NXT Champion at the moment, it is indeed a new era in the WWE.

I think by the time we get to Clash of Champions for Raw, they obviously will have more star power but will have a tough time living up to what we saw last night at Backlash. I also think due to circumstances of Orton's injury, so little matches on the card, WWE had to kill more time and so the matches were able to go on a bit longer than they would have gotten for the wrestlers to do more and make most of the matches. I believe that's where RAW will hurt Clash of Champions in there will more matches but SD will show less is more.

[Sinner]

Just watched the Championship match to finish the PPV and have to say I thought over all it was a really good show. Only thing I didn't like was Kane coming out to wrestle Bray.

AJ is the freaking man and I think he's playing heel really well, he's so good all way around now, wrestling top notch, personality in the ring very entertaining, pretty good at promos over all. Seeing his growth from early TNA to his later years close to leaving TNA to now is just crazy. Early for me I didn't care for his promos and he didn't show much personality but now dude is killing it.

As far as Ambrose he helped put on a good match but ever since he's been on TV as much and a focal point of key story lines I've disliked him more. He was better for me in spurts, now he's just annoying. I really wish they would get rid of his running moves cause they just don't have the impact you would think they should. Dude be running hard as hell and hardly going anywhere.

Can't wait to see Smackdown and AJ