MBMavs Pitch Edits 2017

[squashbuggie]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

OSFM doesn't use any pitch edits. Not in the first release anyway. The roster you are using might not have any pitch edits in it. So you could add MBMavs' pitch edits for any players that you feel like.

I have the final version of MLB 16, OSFM I think. does that have full pitch edits ?

thanks

[MBMavs20]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

First of all, it's really great to see someone even take this on. Seanjeezy did these for a while then I did them for a couple of years. Since Brooks Baseball doesn't let us do any better than crawl along one player card at a time, it's a tremendous amount of clicking busy work to compile the data (unless you are some kind of data-mining guru with mad coding skills). If Brooks allowed us to simply check a few boxes and download all the data we wanted...ahem...then pitch edits would be pretty easy to do. After briefly glancing at the spreadsheet here, I thought up a few points of constructive criticism. This is mainly just to educate those comparing these edits to mine from last year and I hope that will be conveyed in a constructive manner. 1) I agree with MBMavs20 that he has way more RFBs than I did. The 4-inch threshold means that almost every pitcher that throws a fastball will have a RFB rather than a 4SM. By comparison my threshold was 8 inches of Hmov. 2) I don't know how control or movement ratings were calculated here, but I noticed that at least some superior pitches (Zach Britton's sinker, Chris Sale's slider, Corey Kluber's slurve, Jon Lester's cutter, etc...) don't really have outstanding movement or control ratings. One of the things I did on top of the raw data compiling/processing was to do a "sanity check" on the calculations by ensuring that the truly out-of-this-world pitches were being represented by out-of-this-world ratings. If I found results that I deemed unsatisfactory in representing these "killer pitches," I would tweak/reiterate the formula and re-run the calculations to [hopefully] produce a more accurate representation. 3) These following comments/observations deal with what is mostly a gray area. There are some curveballs that could be thought of as 12-6 (Arrieta, Fiers, Snell etc..)--I used > 8 inches of Hmov with < 4 inches of Vmov to define a 12-6 vs regular curveball. The distinction between a 2SM and a SNK is never easy to figure out. Most 2SM can probably be classified as a SNK or vice versa, whether you want to do it by grip or preference. Another piece of gray area is what to classify as pitch #1 when a guy throws his slider or changeup a bit more often than his fastball (i.e. Felix Hernandez in this data set). I would tend to keep the fastball as pitch #1 unless there was a huge difference with the pitcher throwing offspeed a lot more often. But, again, this is very open to interpretation. 4) We both agree on how to handle 2-pitch pitchers and excluding seldomly used (< 1% of the time) pitches. Overall, even if people just want to take the pitch types and/or velocities from this data set, which I encourage for those who don't want to mess with the SCEA values for control and movement, it's an important piece of work. Thanks to MBMavs20 for biting the bullet this year and putting this together.

Here is a clip of Arrieta using a Curveball instead of a 12-6 Curve.

https://youtu.be/uEaeI1mxlac

I think that looks pretty good. Only reason I went with a Curveball was because of the 6 inches of horizontal movement.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Quote: Originally Posted by MBMavs20

Here is a clip of Arrieta using a Curveball instead of a 12-6 Curve. https://youtu.be/uEaeI1mxlac I think that looks pretty good. Only reason I went with a Curveball was because of the 6 inches of horizontal movement.

Sounds good. I also realized that I made a typo in my previous post. For me to classify a CB as 12-6, the pitch would need 8+ inches of vertical movement and less than 4 inches of horizontal movement. I think I had horizontal and vertical mixed up in my original post.

Some of these guys can be right on the borderline and tough to nail down--their pitch shapes can change a bit if you track them throughout the season. Arrieta is one of those guys.

[MBMavs20]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

Sounds good. I also realized that I made a typo in my previous post. For me to classify a CB as 12-6, the pitch would need 8+ inches of vertical movement and less than 4 inches of horizontal movement. I think I had horizontal and vertical mixed up in my original post. Some of these guys can be right on the borderline and tough to nail down--their pitch shapes can change a bit if you track them throughout the season. Arrieta is one of those guys.

Yeah, it is a LOT of work to track pitchers throughout the year. I want to say I would like to make small changes during the season but I don't think I would have the time.

In the game, the 12-6 Curveball breaks straight down so I try and use it for curveballs with little horizontal movement. Kershaw is a good example.

Thanks for the constructive criticism WTNY. I appreciate the fact you looked at my edits and gave your imput.

[TheGame8544]

Quote: Originally Posted by MBMavs20

Yeah, it is a LOT of work to track pitchers throughout the year. I want to say I would like to make small changes during the season but I don't think I would have the time. In the game, the 12-6 Curveball breaks straight down so I try and use it for curveballs with little horizontal movement. Kershaw is a good example. Thanks for the constructive criticism WTNY. I appreciate the fact you looked at my edits and gave your imput.

This could turn out really well. Bravo for being open to help!

[chezel78]

Are you gonna plug these into OSFM when its released and make it downloadable in the vaults?


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[MBMavs20]

Quote: Originally Posted by chezel78

Are you gonna plug these into OSFM when its released and make it downloadable in the vaults? Sent from my iPad using Operation Sports

Depending on when the OSFM roster is done, I could try and add them. I am a teacher so I have the week of April 10 off for spring break.

[MBMavs20]

Added 4 pitchers to the spreadsheet using their 2017 Spring Training pitches.

Jake Junis-Kansas City Royals
Keynan Middleton-Los Angeles Angels
Paul Blackburn-Oakland A's
Mike Hauschild-Texas Rangers