Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[Poli]

I haven't been able to locate a replacement for him, either.

[PackerFanatic]

Wow, shit load of unvotes and stuff. I don't feel good enough about anyone to switch my vote, so I will leave it as is. Hope we are doing the right thing.

[PackerFanatic]

Bearcat has been very quiet, especially since his name has been one of the most talked about today.

[Bearcat729]

Bearcat has been very quiet, especially since his name has been one of the most talked about today.


Well I went to work at 3:30PM just before the votes really started rolling in. I'm not sure but am I going to get to slap someone with the Jesus stick tonight or did everyone unvote me?

[Swaggs]

Well I went to work at 3:30PM just before the votes really started rolling in. I'm not sure but am I going to get to slap someone with the Jesus stick tonight or did everyone unvote me?

Looks like you and saldana are tied with 5 votes each.

You and spleen (who has withdrawn and not been replaced yet) are the only no votes right now.

[saldana]

ok, i cant decide what to make of blade at this point, but there is one thing that i am pretty sure about.

vote celeval

i would prefer not to explain in depth, but his behavior bothers me significantly enough for me to believe he is an other.


ok, this is my initial vote from day 2, post #788...the behavior i refered to is his vote for Kwhit. this was way before the simple survivor code was revealed...i voted for a person because he voted for someone i was relatively sure was a good guy because i got the same PM....if Raiders were here, he would confirm that i said i got that PM about 3 hours ago when he and i were talking in PM, but didnt want to say i had it because i thought it would look excessively wolfish to jump in after it had already been exposed. if you feel comfortable voting for someone who has done nothing but use the word villager instead of survivor then leave your votes on me, but you are making a mistake...i dont know if bearcat is an other or not, but i have no choice but to vote for him to try and save my own ass, because i do know that i am a survivor.

[Bearcat729]

Looks like you and saldana are tied with 5 votes each.

You and spleen (who has withdrawn and not been replaced yet) are the only no votes right now.


Hmm, well I don't really have a good reason to vote for him besides self preservation but we are getting down to the wire so I'll

Vote Saldana

I'm just your average Nigerian survivor, and I'd hate to die now.

[Swaggs]

Hmm, well I don't really have a good reason to vote for him besides self preservation but we are getting down to the wire so I'll

Vote Saldana

I'm just your average Nigerian survivor, and I'd hate to die now.

I can buy that.

[Blade6119]

So its 6-5 with saldana dying as it stands?...just asking as an observer

[saldana]

Hmm, well I don't really have a good reason to vote for him besides self preservation but we are getting down to the wire so I'll

Vote Saldana

I'm just your average Nigerian survivor, and I'd hate to die now.


OOOH...HE SAID NIGERIAN INSTEAD OF SIMPLE...HE MUST BE AN OTHER....

[saldana]

same faulty logic.

[Swaggs]

same faulty logic.

It's a light defense to be sure, but it is one that is somewhat risky and could backfire for him.

[Celeval]

OOOH...HE SAID NIGERIAN INSTEAD OF SIMPLE...HE MUST BE AN OTHER....Actually, he's claiming a particular character.

Bearcat - any proof? You got a role to go with that name?

[Celeval]

ok, this is my initial vote from day 2, post #788...the behavior i refered to is his vote for Kwhit. this was way before the simple survivor code was revealed...i voted for a person because he voted for someone i was relatively sure was a good guy because i got the same PM....if Raiders were here, he would confirm that i said i got that PM about 3 hours ago when he and i were talking in PM, but didnt want to say i had it because i thought it would look excessively wolfish to jump in after it had already been exposed. if you feel comfortable voting for someone who has done nothing but use the word villager instead of survivor then leave your votes on me, but you are making a mistake...i dont know if bearcat is an other or not, but i have no choice but to vote for him to try and save my own ass, because i do know that i am a survivor.? Which PM? I think I lost the track of this.

[saldana]

? Which PM? I think I lost the track of this.

raiders and i were allowed to exchange PM's all day, i was referring to one of those...i dont know if i am allowed to post them, so i wont.

[saldana]

raiders and i were allowed to exchange PM's all day, i was referring to one of those...i dont know if i am allowed to post them, so i wont.

dola, the first time i refered to a PM, i was talking about the role assingments that said i was a simple survivor.

the second time was about the PM's between RA and I

[Celeval]

Ah, right. I was talking about the first.

Nah, I voted for KWhit to throw him off gameplanning in the IHOF. Worked, too. :-D

[saldana]

Ah, right. I was talking about the first.

Nah, I voted for KWhit to throw him off gameplanning in the IHOF. Worked, too. :-D


and i am friggin thrilled to hear it.......NOT.

[Swaggs]

I'm not feeling real good about either of the choices tonight.

Hopefully saldana is bluffing.

[Raiders Army]

ok, this is my initial vote from day 2, post #788...the behavior i refered to is his vote for Kwhit. this was way before the simple survivor code was revealed...i voted for a person because he voted for someone i was relatively sure was a good guy because i got the same PM....if Raiders were here, he would confirm that i said i got that PM about 3 hours ago when he and i were talking in PM, but didnt want to say i had it because i thought it would look excessively wolfish to jump in after it had already been exposed. if you feel comfortable voting for someone who has done nothing but use the word villager instead of survivor then leave your votes on me, but you are making a mistake...i dont know if bearcat is an other or not, but i have no choice but to vote for him to try and save my own ass, because i do know that i am a survivor.
Bolded mine. Just hopped back on with 4 minutes to go.

Yes, you said something to that effect, but it was about spleen.

I'm getting more sober at this point, so please explain this a little more?

[saldana]

raiders, how many pms did we go through today...did i say anything at any point that made you really feel i was an other? this is a mistake.

[Bearcat729]

Actually, he's claiming a particular character.

Bearcat - any proof? You got a role to go with that name?


I will say that the role I was given was not the role that people expected the person to have. I'm not sure if I want to go into specifics right now about what my role is exactly

[saldana]

spleen had been hinting that he knew Kwhit was clear...i went back through spleens posts and picked up the Simple survivor thing as the reason, so when celeval voted someone i knew was a good guy, i retaliated by voting for him.....

god damn man, drink some coffee. ;)

[Poli]

tick tick tick

[saldana]

I will say that the role I was given was not the role that people expected the person to have. I'm not sure if I want to go into specifics right now about what my role is exactly


now all of the sudden he has a role!!!!! you gotta be kidding me!!!

[Celeval]

unvote bearcat

But I'm going to need something else to go on, soon, BC.

[Celeval]

Sorry sal. Here's hoping.

[Swaggs]

unvote bearcat

But I'm going to need something else to go on, soon, BC.

What was the point of that (with no time left)?

[saldana]

wtf....just once i would like to get lynched in one of these games based on an actual logical argument.

all i know is lynching me was a bad plan.

gotta drive home now, guess i have to wait til i get there to see my demise

[Raiders Army]

raiders, how many pms did we go through today...did i say anything at any point that made you really feel i was an other? this is a mistake.
This is where I'm pretty uneasy. You spooked me when you said you were an unnamed survivor (i.e. simple survivor) and then I looked back on my PMs from blade and he was suspicious of you (among others) since you didn't say the magic word survivor.

I then looked to see what the other two, AlanT and kingfc22, said and looked at Blade's suspicions and I felt fairly sure you were an other. I sent you the PM about how much you knew about Lost...had you answered that you knew a lot, I knew you would be an other 100%. At that point in time, path was leaving for the night and I felt like I had to do something to save bearcat, whom I think is a survivor (blade and hoops thought so as well, IIRC). So I did my role reveal.

This is pretty much going to kill me tonight, and unless you're an other, I probably deserve it for spinning this day out of whack.

[Celeval]

What was the point of that (with no time left)?6-5 Saldana-Bearcat. One swapped vote from Bearcat to Saldana would make it 5-6. I probably should have voted Saldana rather than just unvoting, but I was rushing to try and get it in, just in case.

[saldana]

I sent you the PM about how much you knew about Lost...had you answered that you knew a lot, I knew you would be an other 100%.


go read it again

[Raiders Army]

go read it again
I did. You said you didn't know much, which is why I have doubt in my mind; I'm sorry it came down to this, but in the grand scheme of things, right now I believe bearcat is a survivor more than you.

[Poli]

Arguments continue to flare as people continue to die. Everyone seems positive that bearcat729 had something to do with the death of sndvls. Everyone did, that is, until Raiders Army spoke up. Pointing the finger directly at saldana, he convinces more than half the group that saldana is probably one of the Others.

It remains unclear what will happen to the guilty party. Yesterday there was no need to hold a prisoner, king was simply beat to death.

Saldana wastes no time when he sees Celeval retract his vote on bearcat. He pulls out a knife and slices Schmidty's throat before Schmidty has a chance to react at all.

A gang tackle ensues and the knife is wrestled away. When everyone unpiles, you find the lifeless body of saldana underneath, who apparently stabbed himself when tackled.

A list similar to king's and alan t's is found in his pocket. No doubt, saldana was one of The Others.

End Day 5. Begin Night 5.

[Celeval]

Wow. Sorry to lose Schmidty; but damn good move to reveal, RA.

[Poli]

Add:

A search for clues of who Schmidty was or did revealed an impressive set of knives. He also had a scar along his back, as if he may have had a kidney transplant.

[Celeval]

Schmidty's Locke.

3 Others (plus a probable serial killer down).

I'm guessing there's what, one more? Two?

[Swaggs]

Well, glad we got another Other. I was hoping that he would be the last, though.

And losing Schmidty, without him having a chance to out and out clear people really sucks, since it sounds like he had some useful night abilities. :(

[Raiders Army]

Wow. He was the brutal wolf. Gotta love the way beer makes you choose correctly. Also, thanks Blade and hoops. If it wasn't for you guys, I wouldn't have even suspected saldana.

Ugh. Sorry for the twisted telling of who I am.

I'll be dead tonight, but just so you guys know, I told saldana that I talked to Blade, hoops, and spleen. I did not tell him who I talked to yesterday. That person knows who he is. Also, I didn't give him the code....but then again, I'm not sure that I gave the person I talked to yesterday the code either.

[Schmidty]

Damn. I tried my best.

Good luck survivors. :(

[saldana]

i told you killing me would cost you....:D

now back to the trolls thread to post the role of RA...

[Schmidty]

i told you killing me would cost you....:D

now back to the trolls thread to post the role of RA...

And to think, I gave you Star Wars. You owe me a great role in that one. ;)

[saldana]

And to think, I gave you Star Wars. You owe me a great role in that one. ;)


"you are a droid on a jawa junk trawler...you will spend the entire game upside down getting hot irons applied to the bottom of your feet"

[Celeval]

Troll thread?

[saldana]

Troll thread?

go read the thread called Ping:trolls

[KWhit]

Great job tonight guys! Well done RA and Schmidty.

[Swaggs]

If it is me that gets knocked out tonight, I think the biggest remaining suspects are:

Celeval
path
Bearcat

I feel like everyone else has put up a pretty good alibi. We are very close to winning, I think.

I suppose I may fall into that category as well, but I hope Schmidty cleared me.

[Celeval]

I think if you pay close attention to the way Alan T went down, you'll be able to clear me from that.

[PackerFanatic]

Wow, good call RA, glad we got another one (although losing Schmidty hurts too)

[Raiders Army]

Those of you voting for Swaggs are making a huge mistake. HUGE.
I'm sure I won't live through the night. But I wanted to point this out.

[Raiders Army]

Man, I should've strung saldana out to get the info I got from other people. I didn't get his thoughts on the players and I didn't get his thoughts on whom I should talk to on day 6. I could've sworn I asked him the latter, but he didn't reply.

I would look out for packer and desmond right now. Later this morning I'll look at their voting patterns, but those guys are high are my radar right now.

[SnDvls]

i told you killing me would cost you....:D

now back to the trolls thread to post the role of RA...


I'm glad I had you pegged...good job survivors keep at 'em

[Blade6119]

kept wondering why Blade kept putting you ahead of me when decided who was more trustworthy.
:)

[Celeval]

I would look out for packer and desmond right now. Later this morning I'll look at their voting patterns, but those guys are high are my radar right now.I still feel good around Packer, after we got "Walt". I still think that if Pack was an other, he as Michael would have been vouched for by king.

[pennywisesb]

Good job everyone who switched their votes to Saldana. Saldana, nicely played, you definately had me worried most of last night!

[pennywisesb]

Sorry Schmidty, now I realize why it would have been a "huge mistake" to lynch you. I guess my gut was leading me astray on you.

[Celeval]

I still feel good around Packer, after we got "Walt". I still think that if Pack was an other, he as Michael would have been vouched for by king.Mostly Trusted:
Raiders Army - Sayid
PackerFanatic - presumed Michael
Celeval - only mostly trusted, I don't know about this guy. ;)
spleen - one of the group of "simple survivors", also vacant
KWhit - one of the group of "simple survivors"
pennywise - one of the group of "simple survivors"

Partly Trusted:
Desmond - tiebreaker, presumed survivor
Swaggs - vouched for strongly by Schmidty (Locke)
bearcat - claiming named role

Unsure:
tanglewood/path - I've got really nothing here.

[pennywisesb]

Ok, here's my revised trust list:
Trusted: KWit, Spleen, Packerfanatic, Raiders Army, Pennywisesb
Mostly trusted: Swaggs (Schmidty had faith in him), Bearcat
Not trusted/no read: Celeval, Path12

It seems as though Celeval keeps coming up as someone who has some suspicion on him. I wonder if thats just coincidence?

[pennywisesb]

*add Desmond to mostly trusted as well, sorry dude, I keep forgetting you

[Celeval]

It seems as though Celeval keeps coming up as someone who has some suspicion on him. I wonder if thats just coincidence?It is. :)

I referenced the point earlier about Alan. If you want a straight-up answer... Alan pushed Sndvls hard because he thought Sndvls was bluffing. The reason he did, was because he thought I was the Duke. If I was an Other, he'd have damn well known that I wasn't the Duke, and Sawyer wouldn't have knocked Alan out to begin with.

[PackerFanatic]

I am Michael, RA. Do not worry about me.

[saldana]

Good job everyone who switched their votes to Saldana. Saldana, nicely played, you definately had me worried most of last night!

thanks, see you all on treasure island.

[saldana]

Man, I should've strung saldana out to get the info I got from other people. I didn't get his thoughts on the players and I didn't get his thoughts on whom I should talk to on day 6. I could've sworn I asked him the latter, but he didn't reply.


what makes you think i would have given you anything :confused:

and i did reply, you were probably just drunk again and didnt read it like the other pm about how much i knew about the game. i think that might have to make the WW HOF..."RA called out Saldana because he was hammered and mis-read a PM, but ended up being right anyway and getting the brutal wolf killed" :p

[Raiders Army]

It was because you were so...terse...that I suspected you as well. Blade, hoops, and spleen were pretty verbose and opinionated, but you were not. I attributed some of that to your connection, but not much.

[hoopsguy]

Blade and I were chatty? No way! :)

[pennywisesb]

i think that might have to make the WW HOF..."RA called out Saldana because he was hammered and mis-read a PM, but ended up being right anyway and getting the brutal wolf killed" :p

Golden! :D

[Blade6119]

Blade and I were chatty? No way! :)
He must still be drunk to think you and i were chatty...were WAY too quiet

[path12]

Just got caught up. Good job RA, sorry I made you rush at then end there but I had to go and couldn't get straight who to switch to.

For those of you who have me on the unsure list, I have no role to dangle in front of you, I am merely a survivor (I'll skip the 'simple' code). You might notice though that I was trying to get clarification from RA and was ready and willing (hell, did) change my vote until we got our wires crossed.

Now, let's find that last other (there should be only one barring a conversion, right?).

[Desmond]

Are we pretty much in agreement that the bolding has meant nothing? That still intrigues me. Sorry to see ya go Schmidty :(

How many others, wolves, bad guys etc are there in a usual game?

[path12]

Are we pretty much in agreement that the bolding has meant nothing? That still intrigues me. Sorry to see ya go Schmidty :(

How many others, wolves, bad guys etc are there in a usual game?

Didn't the bolding match up with some of Hurley's lottery numbers? I thought that was the only reason.

[path12]

Been going back and looking over voting records to update my trust list:

100% trust:
path12 -- firsthand knowledge, votes: none, none, Sun, Saldana, Bearcat (likely switch to Sal if hadn't had mixup with Raiders). (1 other vote)

Raiders -- believe Sayid reveal. votes: King, mckerney, Sun, Packers, Saldana. (2 others)

Good trust:
KWhit -- simple survivor. Votes: RPI, Raiders, Sun, King, Saldana. (2 others)

Pennywisesb -- simple survivor. Votes: King, Sesnudo, Sun, King, Saldana (3 others)

Swaggs -- based on votes, Schmidty trust. Votes: Blade, Alan, Sun, Saldana, Saldana (3 others)

Leaning good:
Packer -- Michael reveal. Votes: none, none, Sun, King, Bearcat (1 other)

Bearcat -- based on votes. Votes: MrW, Blade, Sun, King, Saldana (2 others)

Unknown:
Spleen -- simple survivor. Votes: MrW, Raiders, Sun, none, none (0 others)

Desmond -- tiebreaker? Votes: MrW, mckerney, Sun, King, Bearcat (1 other)

Celeval -- no read at all. Votes: Mckerney, Desnudo, Sun, King (last vote), Bearcat (1 other)

I'm wondering if there was a conversion and if so I believe that we need to take a look at Desmond tomorrow.

[Celeval]

Celeval -- no read at all.I'm trying to figure out if this as a recurring theme means I'm playing well, or poorly. ;)

[KWhit]

I'm trying to figure out if this as a recurring theme means I'm playing well, or poorly. ;)
Depends. If you're an Other, you're doing okay. If you're a survivor, not so much.

:)

[path12]

Man, quiet around here.

[Raiders Army]

I'm just waiting to see if I survive the night. I doubt it, but I'm hoping.

[Barkeep49]

Please excuse this commerical interruption. I know most of you just haven't spent enough time on an island and so you should mosey on over to WW 23: Treasure hunt (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=47267) where you can strike it rich rather than worry about the paranormal. It won't be starting really until after Ardent's game ends so you don't have to have any worries about playing two games at once. I hope to see you there.

[KWhit]

Man, quiet around here.
True dat.

[Blade6119]

I'm just waiting to see if I survive the night. I doubt it, but I'm hoping.
As an observer id say you should be quite safe...under the assumption you are telling the truth about your role, which i cannot confirm or deny, i would be far more fearful for spleen or whoever you picked for tomorrow...your list of confidants is reading like the obituary. Your like the stroke of death to a player :p

Again, under the assumption you are telling the truth. I cannot confirm or deny this role reveal

[Celeval]

As an observer id say you should be quite safeThat's the thing about you people. You think you're "safe".

[Raiders Army]

your list of confidants is reading like the obituary. Your like the stroke of death to a player :p
You're right. Here's the list: Blade, hoops, spleen, [deleted], saldana.

3 out of the 5 are dead, with one who quit. Do I know how to pick em?

[Celeval]

*tumbleweed*

[Raiders Army]

It's a freakin long night...

[path12]

The suspense. She kills me.

[Poli]

The night goes on forever. No one talks and the only sounds you hear are from the ocean.

The next morning you find PackerFanatic dead on the beach, another victim of a snapped neck.

End Night 5. Begin Day 5.

[saldana]

woot!

[Celeval]

Hm. Something of a surprise, considering he was calling out no special role.

It also confirms Packer as a good guy, which is a slight improvement over where we were.

Assuming no turncoat, the only two I don't have any sort of a positive read on are bearcat and Path. Bearcat stepped up with a partial reveal last night, but I'm unsure about whether that's all the way there or not.

With that in mind..

Vote Path

[path12]

Yeah, I'm a bit surprised about Packer also. As I wrote above (#2321), my list comes down to two people, Celeval and Desmond. I'm leaning against Spleens role being bad just because I've gotta think we're down to just one other (again, barring a conversion).

I don't know which of the two is most likely. Celeval has played his cards very close, but I just get a better gut feel from him.

Desmond on the other hand. He was the tiebreaker on night 2(?), but does that automatically mean he's good? He's voted for just one known other (king) but that was one of the later votes I believe; and has also been pretty quiet. Does he strike anyone else as suspicious or is it just me?

This is a very changeable vote, but until I can be convinced otherwise:

VOTE DESMOND

[Celeval]

This is a very changeable vote, but until I can be convinced otherwise:It's worth noting that this applies to mine as well.

[path12]

It's worth noting that this applies to mine as well.

I'd appreciate that! ;)

[PackerFanatic]

:( Bummer...I kinda saw it coming though.

Good luck everyone!

[KWhit]

I don't think Desmond is an Other. I'd be surprised if the tiebreaker was a bad guy.

[pennywisesb]

Packer, sorry to see you go, can't say I thought you'd be the one to go down. Ok, from my list that I gave earlier, my two least trusted players right now are Path12 and Celeval. One of those two will be getting my vote. I'm going to wait to vote though until later to see if any new evidence arises.

Let me guess RA, you spoke with Packer the night before Saldana? ;)

[path12]

BTW, just to explain why Saldana:

1) Voted Alan day 1 with Celeval when Alan not really in danger yet, looks like a good cover your ass vote.
2) Voted mckerney
3) Quieter than I remember from past games
4) Sun doesn't trust him and Sun is my only confirmed survivor except for me.
5) He's always under suspicion! :D

Not to get too worked up about defending myself, but I will just point this post out to show that I was one of the first on Saldana; and was working like mad with Raiders to switch that vote before I had to run. Like I mentioned, I have no role reveal to fall back on, and since I came in late that's really all I have to offer.

Personally, I think I've been pretty clearly working with the survivors.

[KWhit]

I think I'll be voting for Celeval or Path today. I want to check out a few things, but until I do, I want to get a vote out on the table:

VOTE PATH12

[Swaggs]

Desmond is pretty far down the list of suspects for me.

Right now, I am leaning towards Celeval, and then Path.

I think we win if we pick the right person today, so if either of you have any good information, now could be the right time.

[path12]

It seems Desmond isn't raising flags for anybody else, so:

UNVOTE DESMOND
VOTE CELEVAL

My other likely suspect, and obvious self-preservation.

[path12]

I think we win if we pick the right person today, so if either of you have any good information, now could be the right time.

Wish I could help. My above post is all the defense I have. :(

[Celeval]

I think we win if we pick the right person today, so if either of you have any good information, now could be the right time.Fair enough.

People who know the show may have figured this out already based on a handful of hints I've dropped, but I am Ana Lucia Cortez. I am not a simple survivor, and do have a role. However, according to AE - it's a role not used in previous WW games, and given the function of it, I'm not going to come right out and say it; people who follow the show may be able to figure out part of it.

Raiders, if you haven't talked to anyone yet today and want to open communications, I'll be glad to tell you.

[path12]

Wish I could help. My above post is all the defense I have. :(

I meant my above post #2343. I'll try to answer any questions you might have.

[Swaggs]

Fair enough.

People who know the show may have figured this out already based on a handful of hints I've dropped, but I am Ana Lucia Cortez. I am not a simple survivor, and do have a role. However, according to AE - it's a role not used in previous WW games, and given the function of it, I'm not going to come right out and say it; people who follow the show may be able to figure out part of it.

Raiders, if you haven't talked to anyone yet today and want to open communications, I'll be glad to tell you.

Is it something you have used this game?

[Celeval]

Is it something you have used this game?No. It's a one-time use.

[Raiders Army]

Packer, sorry to see you go, can't say I thought you'd be the one to go down. Ok, from my list that I gave earlier, my two least trusted players right now are Path12 and Celeval. One of those two will be getting my vote. I'm going to wait to vote though until later to see if any new evidence arises.

Let me guess RA, you spoke with Packer the night before Saldana? ;)
Nope. :D

[pennywisesb]

Fair enough.

People who know the show may have figured this out already based on a handful of hints I've dropped, but I am Ana Lucia Cortez. I am not a simple survivor, and do have a role. However, according to AE - it's a role not used in previous WW games, and given the function of it, I'm not going to come right out and say it; people who follow the show may be able to figure out part of it.

Raiders, if you haven't talked to anyone yet today and want to open communications, I'll be glad to tell you.

I'm not sure I'm buying it. This is pretty convenient considering you are on everybody's radar.....

[Raiders Army]

It seemed like the day lasted 72 hours. Arguments were made for nearly half the camp to be one of the Others. Tempers and fights flared up. Questions of who, if anyone, was guarding Mr. Wednesday's jail cell.

As the sun began to set, it was clear someone had to be placed in the cell for the good of the camp. A show of hands led to a tie between McKerney and Desnudo. Recount after recount, the results were still the same.

Finally, it is decided to have both go to the cell, when a gunshot rings out. McKerney crumples to the ground, bleeding from a chest wound. Desnudo and the rest of the survivors drop to the ground looking for the shooter. Finally, some of the survivors turn to see Desmond with the smoking gun. Desmond opens his hand and drops the pistol, and then falls to his knees in the sand.

The survivors split quickly, some to attend to McKerney, others to grab Desmond and Desnudo. Some stand just watching, and others just run off.

McKerney in near death, and it's apparent he'll die soon. He keeps trying to direct someone to do things to save his life, but McKerney is losing too much blood. Finally, McKerney has a small bottle of Jack Daniels taken from his pocket and downs it to try to relieve the pain. He dies just moments later.

In light of the circumstances, Desnudo is never taken to the cell. The gun is confiscated. Desmond just sits in the sand watching McKerney.

Day 2 has ended. Day 2 night actions are due by 3pm CST, but are encouraged to be entered ASAP, so we can maintain a 9 or 10 pm CST deadline for Day 3 actions.
Post #1268.

Okay, Desmond, time to fess up. What role did you get? How did you get a gun.

VOTE DESMOND

You also killed Jack, the doctor. (Not that he isn't the most annoying person on the show, but still....)

[Raiders Army]

PM sent to Celeval.

[Raiders Army]

Dola, while he was in the thread about 5 minutes ago. Took me a while to look up post #1268.

[pennywisesb]

Did Desmond ever give us an explanation on that writeup? If not I don't know how he managed to keep it from us.....

[Celeval]

I'm not sure I'm buying it. This is pretty convenient considering you are on everybody's radar.....#796
I do see a common thread in some things, and understand that, but it doesn't match up with what I got in my PM. There's even some different terminology.I was worried about this one, since on review it basically stated I was a special straight out.

#2031
But after this, you follow my lead, got it? You do what I tell you. When I say, "move" you move. When I say "stop" you stop. When I say "jump", what do you say?(Sawyer's actual answer: "You first.")

#2329
That's the thing about you people. You think you're "safe".There's another post I made early on about there likely being two camps of survivors - brought that up because, simply put, Ana Lucia is from camp 2.

[Raiders Army]

Did Desmond ever give us an explanation on that writeup? If not I don't know how he managed to keep it from us.....
I assumed he was the Duke. I forgot about it until today...

But now that I've brought it up, I'd like to hear his explanation of what happened.

[Swaggs]

Post #1268.

Okay, Desmond, time to fess up. What role did you get? How did you get a gun.

VOTE DESMOND

You also killed Jack, the doctor. (Not that he isn't the most annoying person on the show, but still....)

I could get in on this and want to hear something from Desmond.

But a question to the more experienced players, how are tiebreakers and their characters usually done? Like, what if the tiebreaker character gets killed and then there is a a tie?

[Raiders Army]

From what I can tell, Celeval's role sounds reasonable enough. I'm more concerned with Desmond right now, and if he can explain his actions, then I will put attention on others.

[Celeval]

#796, #2031, #2329Obviously this isn't proof, but just bringing up that it's not something I randomly pulled togehter just now. I've been Ana Lucia the whole time.

Actually, AE gave me the option of using a different (non-female) name. I'll pass along that name after the game ends. ;)

[pennywisesb]

Well Celeval, your explanation sounds reasonable enough. I guess at this point my two main suspects are path12 and Desmond. I'd really like to hear what Desmond has to say.....

[path12]

Well Celeval, your explanation sounds reasonable enough. I guess at this point my two main suspects are path12 and Desmond. I'd really like to hear what Desmond has to say.....

I'm really curious. What exactly have I done to arouse suspicion? I understand the whole issue of having roles/trust of a certain amount of people and some just being left over, but I'd like to see a vote or argument that I've made that warrants me being under the glass.....

I'll also point out that I raised the suspicion of Desmond even before last night's results to no avail earlier today, in addition to my previously making a case against Saldana. This is where this game gets really frustrating......

[Raiders Army]

Pretty freakin' quiet. I wish there were more discussion, but oh well. I think you guys are making a mistake going for Path...then again, Desmond hasn't been on since early, early this morning.

Post #2336: Celeval votes Path (1)
Post #2337: Path votes Desmond (1)
Post #2344: KWhit votes Path (2)
Post #2346: Path votes Celeval (unvotes Desmond) (1)
Post #2354: RA votes Desmond (1)

Current count:

Path (2): Celeval, KWhit
Celeval (1): Path
Desmond (1): RA

[path12]

Back to where I started:

UNVOTE CELEVAL
VOTE DESMOND

[Celeval]

Back to where I started:

UNVOTE CELEVAL
VOTE DESMONDI'll go with you on this one, actually.

Unvote Path
Vote Desmond

[path12]

Do we have a deadline time tonight? I'm out of here in a few minutes and probably won't be back on the computer until at least 8 or so Pacific......

[Desmond]

I dont know what to say guys? I was asked to break a tie and told ae who i wanted to vote for, i had no knowledge of a gun. Im not a bad guy. I really dont know how else to defend myself but I dont like this bandwagon trying to get my ability out of the game.

Vote Path12

[Swaggs]

I feel better about Desmond and Path than I do Celeval.

Vote Celeval

[Desmond]

i dont have a read on celeval but ive got try and save myself and try and start a bandwagon.

Unvote Path
Vote Celeval

[Celeval]

I really dont know how else to defend myself but I dont like this bandwagon trying to get my ability out of the game.What ability is that?

[Celeval]

Do we have a deadline time tonight? I'm out of here in a few minutes and probably won't be back on the computer until at least 8 or so Pacific......I would guess deadline would be 9pm CST, but it's not posted in the thead title.

[Celeval]

i had no knowledge of a gun.
This, I believe... I think the gun was just flavor. :)

[KWhit]

I would be very surprised if an Other was the tie-breaker, so I think desmond is okay. Celeval seems believable at this point. So, I think we need to go after Path.

[Poli]

I would guess deadline would be 9pm CST, but it's not posted in the thead title.My bad. :)

[Raiders Army]

I dont know what to say guys? I was asked to break a tie and told ae who i wanted to vote for, i had no knowledge of a gun. Im not a bad guy. I really dont know how else to defend myself but I dont like this bandwagon trying to get my ability out of the game.

Vote Path12
Like Celeval, what ability is that?

[Raiders Army]

I would be very surprised if an Other was the tie-breaker, so I think desmond is okay. Celeval seems believable at this point. So, I think we need to go after Path.
Not sure what you edited, but what are you talking about Other is a tie-breaker? When did he break a tie?

[Raiders Army]

Post #2336: Celeval votes Path (1)
Post #2337: Path votes Desmond (1)
Post #2344: KWhit votes Path (2)
Post #2346: Path votes Celeval (unvotes Desmond) (1)
Post #2354: RA votes Desmond (1)
Post #2366: Path votes Desmond (unvotes Celeval) (2)
Post #2367: Celeval votes Desmond (unvotes Path) (3)
Post #2369: Desmond votes Path (2)
Post #2370: Swaggs votes Celeval (1)
Post #2371: Desmond votes Celeval (unvotes Path) (2)


Current count:

Path (1): KWhit
Celeval (2): Swaggs, Desmond
Desmond (3): RA, Path, Celeval

[Celeval]

I dont know what to say guys? I was asked to break a tie and told ae who i wanted to vote for, i had no knowledge of a gun. Im not a bad guy. I really dont know how else to defend myself but I dont like this bandwagon trying to get my ability out of the game.Here's the deal, Des. I've got a one-time ability that I can use, it's public, and I really don't want to have to. But at this point, I feel I have to in order to clear myself. I'm giving you until 9:05 EST (8:05 CST) to give me a real good argument that you're not an Other. If that means role revealing with some sort of proof of ability, then that's what it means.

[Raiders Army]

Votes still out there: spleen, bearcat, penny

[Celeval]

Not sure what you edited, but what are you talking about Other is a tie-breaker? When did he break a tie?Desmond broke the tie vote earlier - mckerney and hoopsguy? I forget who.

[Raiders Army]

Today's votes:

(523) Blade votes pennywise (1)
(576) spleen votes blade (1)
(595) mckerney votes pennywise (2)
(701) hoopsguy votes pennywise (3)
(720) raiders votes spleen (1)
(728) spleen UNVOTES Blade (0)
(728) spleen votes raiders (1)
(730) Alan votes mckerney (1)
(775) Celeval votes kwhit (1)
(788) Saldana votes Celeval (1)
(858) hoops UNVOTES Pennywise (2)
(946) blade UNVOTES pennywise (1)
(946) blade votes Alan T (1)
(951) sndvls votes Alan T (2)
(990) king votes Raiders (2)
(1011) hoops votes Alan T (3)
(1018) kwhit votes Desmond (1)
(1049) schmidty votes Desnudo (1)
(1050) Raiders UNVOTES Spleen (0)
(1054) Pennywise Votes Desnudo (2)
(1074) Raiders votes Mckerney (2)
(1077) Sndvls UNVOTES Alan T (2)
(1092) mckerney UNVOTES pennywise (0)
(1092) mckerney votes Desnudo (3)
(1100) Desmond votes Mckerney (3)
(1126) Celeval UNVOTES Kwhit (0)
(1135) Swaggs votes Alan T (3)
(1138) Sndvls votes Desnudo (4)
(1153) saldana UNVOTES Celeval (0)
(1153) Saldana votes Raiders Army (3)
(1166) celeval votes Desnudo (5)
(1171) Bearcat votes Blade (1)
(1179) Desnudo votes mckerney (4)
(1182) Saldana UNVOTES Raiders Army (2)
(1182) Saldana votes mckerney (5)
(1183) Kwhit UNVOTES Desmond (0)
(1183) Kwhit votes Raiders Army (3)
From AlanT's votes on Day 2. What the hell? I don't get how we all glossed over the fact that Desmond was not a tie-breaker. Celeval voted for Desnudo and saldana voted for mckerney to tie it at 5 votes apiece and Desmond had the third vote on mckerney. Huh????

Here is also the thing: saldana was an other. He voted for mckerney to tie it up and Celeval voted for Desnudo. How do you guys think that Celeval is an other???

[Raiders Army]

And now that I think about it, Swaggs may be an other as well. You should know that I'm the only survivor you can count on for sure. Swaggs could be an other, but when viewed by the seer, appears to be a survivor. If Desmond dies tonight and there's an other left, I'm betting that it's Swaggs.

[KWhit]

Not sure what you edited, but what are you talking about Other is a tie-breaker? When did he break a tie?I edited my post just to make it more clear (because before the edit it made totally no sense whatsoever), but it's what Celeval said. Desmond broke a tie earlier, which means that he was the tiebreaker (at least that's what I take it to mean). If that is the case, I'd be surprised if AE would have the tie-breaker role be an Other.

But now that I'm typing this out, I realize that maybe AE just picked someone totally at random in which case Desmond could be anything.

But still... Because he was the tiebreaker, I think it makes the odds less for him to be an Other than for Path to be one.

[Celeval]

It seemed like the day lasted 72 hours. Arguments were made for nearly half the camp to be one of the Others. Tempers and fights flared up. Questions of who, if anyone, was guarding Mr. Wednesday's jail cell.

As the sun began to set, it was clear someone had to be placed in the cell for the good of the camp. A show of hands led to a tie between McKerney and Desnudo. Recount after recount, the results were still the same.

Finally, it is decided to have both go to the cell, when a gunshot rings out. McKerney crumples to the ground, bleeding from a chest wound. Desnudo and the rest of the survivors drop to the ground looking for the shooter. Finally, some of the survivors turn to see Desmond with the smoking gun. Desmond opens his hand and drops the pistol, and then falls to his knees in the sand.

The survivors split quickly, some to attend to McKerney, others to grab Desmond and Desnudo. Some stand just watching, and others just run off.

McKerney in near death, and it's apparent he'll die soon. He keeps trying to direct someone to do things to save his life, but McKerney is losing too much blood. Finally, McKerney has a small bottle of Jack Daniels taken from his pocket and downs it to try to relieve the pain. He dies just moments later.

In light of the circumstances, Desnudo is never taken to the cell. The gun is confiscated. Desmond just sits in the sand watching McKerney.

Day 2 has ended. Day 2 night actions are due by 3pm CST, but are encouraged to be entered ASAP, so we can maintain a 9 or 10 pm CST deadline for Day 3 actions.Here's the one we were talking about as the tiebreaker.

[Celeval]

And now that I think about it, Swaggs may be an other as well. You should know that I'm the only survivor you can count on for sure. Swaggs could be an other, but when viewed by the seer, appears to be a survivor. If Desmond dies tonight and there's an other left, I'm betting that it's Swaggs.Was Schmidty/Locke the Seer? He was the guy vouching for Swaggs.

[Raiders Army]

I edited my post just to make it more clear (because before the edit it made totally no sense whatsoever), but it's what Celeval said. Desmond broke a tie earlier, which means that he was the tiebreaker (at least that's what I take it to mean). If that is the case, I'd be surprised if AE would have the tie-breaker role be an Other.

But now that I'm typing this out, I realize that maybe AE just picked someone totally at random in which case Desmond could be anything.

But still... Because he was the tiebreaker, I think it makes the odds less for him to be an Other than for Path to be one.
Okay...that's what Desmond is saying or that's what AE said? Big difference there. I don't think he was a tie-breaker at all.

Even if he was the tie-breaker, he never said why he killed mckerney, the doctor.

[KWhit]

From AlanT's votes on Day 2. What the hell? I don't get how we all glossed over the fact that Desmond was not a tie-breaker.
He was the tiebreaker. He didn't make the tie-breaking vote, but he literally broke the tie by shooting and killing mckerney.

[Swaggs]

And now that I think about it, Swaggs may be an other as well. You should know that I'm the only survivor you can count on for sure. Swaggs could be an other, but when viewed by the seer, appears to be a survivor. If Desmond dies tonight and there's an other left, I'm betting that it's Swaggs.

Look at my votes. Blade, Alan T, SnDvls (would have again been Alan T, if SnDvls hadn't outted himself), Saldana, and Saldana. If I am one of the others, they would have kicked me off the team by now.

[Raiders Army]

Was Schmidty/Locke the Seer? He was the guy vouching for Swaggs.
Yeah, but with all of the different roles out there, I'm betting one of the others is protected from the seer and will show up as being a survivor, so you can't entirely trust what the seer said.

[Swaggs]

Has path voted each time since he joined the game?

[Celeval]

Look at my votes. Blade, Alan T, SnDvls (would have again been Alan T, if SnDvls hadn't outted himself), Saldana, and Saldana. If I am one of the others, they would have kicked me off the team by now.:-D

[Raiders Army]

Look at my votes. Blade, Alan T, SnDvls (would have again been Alan T, if SnDvls hadn't outted himself), Saldana, and Saldana. If I am one of the others, they would have kicked me off the team by now.
Good point. I retract my previous statement.

[Raiders Army]

If someone gives me an overwhelming argument for path, then I'm game to switch my vote. I've laid out the case for Desmond.

[Swaggs]

I'm open to changing my vote, but I am waiting until 9:05 to see what happens.

I think if we lynch correctly, we win today. So if someone has anything they are waiting to unveil, I say lay it on the line.

[KWhit]

If someone gives me an overwhelming argument for path, then I'm game to switch my vote. I've laid out the case for Desmond.
Is your case for him the fact that he had a choice of who to kill between Desnudo (Other) and Mckerney (Doctor) and he chose to kill Mckerney? And the fact that he hasn't really explained it to your liking?

Or is there more to it that I missed while trying to quickly catch up?

I'm not saying you're wrong or that it's not enough, I'm just making sure I've got your argument right.

[path12]

I'm really curious. What exactly have I done to arouse suspicion? I understand the whole issue of having roles/trust of a certain amount of people and some just being left over, but I'd like to see a vote or argument that I've made that warrants me being under the glass.....

I'll also point out that I raised the suspicion of Desmond even before last night's results to no avail earlier today, in addition to my previously making a case against Saldana. This is where this game gets really frustrating......

I repeat, what exactly have I done to arouse suspicion?

Swaggs, yes, I've voted every time since I've joined the game. Sun, Saldana and Bearcat (though if you remember I was in a big hurry with Raiders when he revealed and initially switched to Saldana. Then Raiders thought that Swaggs had the vote and voted that way, I didn't have time to sort it out and switched back to Bearcat).

By the way, why exactly is Bearcat getting a free pass today also?

[path12]

Was Schmidty/Locke the Seer? He was the guy vouching for Swaggs.

I thought Schmidty was found with a bunch of knives? How does that make him the seer? He was definitely positive about Swaggs being good though (though his votes also make him so in my mind).

[Swaggs]

I guess Bearcat is a viable option, as well. The only thing he has going for him is that he clubbed one of the others to death.

He has never really validated that he was Michael to me, though.

[KWhit]

I thought Schmidty was found with a bunch of knives? How does that make him the seer? He was definitely positive about Swaggs being good though (though his votes also make him so in my mind).The scar from a kidney transplant definitely makes him Locke, but nobody's sure he's the seer. He seemed very sure of his statements about Swaggs, though, so I think he saw something (doesn't have to mean he was the seer, though).

[Swaggs]

I hate it when I refresh a half dozen times before realizing the thread has moved onto a new page. :)

[path12]

I guess Bearcat is a viable option, as well. The only thing he has going for him is that he clubbed one of the others to death.

He has never really validated that he was Michael to me, though.

Packer was Michael and did the clubbing, not Bearcat.

Ah well, I've done what I could. I need to get back to my dinner guests. But seriously, I don't see a thing that I've done that warrants voting my way. And it is a mistake -- I am a survivor.

Hope we get a bad guy.

[Swaggs]

Bearcat, any special Michael powers we should know about?

[Bearcat729]

Bearcat, any special Michael powers we should know about?


?

I'm not Michael. I am Mr Eko, and my power would not help here.

[Celeval]

Bearcat, any special Michael powers we should know about?Not Michael - Bearcat = Mr. Echo/Eko.

Sorry I was a bit late, wife is sick. I just PM'd AE with my instructions, now it's just a wait until he shows. Sorry, Desmond.

[Raiders Army]

Is your case for him the fact that he had a choice of who to kill between Desnudo (Other) and Mckerney (Doctor) and he chose to kill Mckerney? And the fact that he hasn't really explained it to your liking?

Or is there more to it that I missed while trying to quickly catch up?

I'm not saying you're wrong or that it's not enough, I'm just making sure I've got your argument right.
Those things and going back to Day 1, the following people checked in and didn't mention survivor:

mckerney: doctor
Schmidty: seer
AlanT: Other
Kingfc: Other
saldana: Other
SnDvls: Duke
RPI/Path: Unknown
Desnudo: Assumed Other (Ethan Role)
Swaggs: Unknown, but presumably survivor
Desmond: Unknown

We have two unknowns (3 if you count Swaggs). Path and Desmond. Desmond doesn't feel right to me because of the above, and that's why I put him above Path.

[Poli]

A shot rings out.

[Swaggs]

?

I'm not Michael. I am Mr Eko, and my power would not help here.

My bad... thinking of PackerFanatic.

[Raiders Army]

Not Michael - Bearcat = Mr. Echo/Eko.

Sorry I was a bit late, wife is sick. I just PM'd AE with my instructions, now it's just a wait until he shows. Sorry, Desmond.
Well, if Desmond is an other, I'd say we win. If not, then I'll vote for Path.

[Poli]

Everyone looks to the gun, which Celeval is holding...and then to the unlucky victim...

[Swaggs]

Everyone looks to the gun, which Celeval is holding...and then to the unlucky victim...

I guess Celeval is cleared.

[Raiders Army]

Everyone looks to the gun, which Celeval is holding...and then to the unlucky victim...
We win?

[KWhit]

Anybody have a vote count?

[Swaggs]

Everyone looks to the gun, which Celeval is holding...and then to the unlucky victim...

I guess Celeval is cleared.

[Desmond]

I really dont know how to defend myself, there isnt much info I have other than that i can break ties and im a survivor.

[KWhit]

Whoa!

WTF?!

[Swaggs]

Everyone looks to the gun, which Celeval is holding...and then to the unlucky victim...

All I know is that I immediately regret voting for Celeval. :)

[Poli]

Desmond spins from the impact and falls to the ground.

"You'll never leave the island alive! Haven't you figured that out yet? No one is coming for you...your only chance..."

And he dies.

[Raiders Army]

At this rate, we might get the lynch in tomorrow morning...

[Raiders Army]

Desmond spins from the impact and falls to the ground.

"You'll never leave the island alive! Haven't you figured that out yet? No one is coming for you...your only chance..."

And he dies.
An other? I think definitely not one of us.

VOTE PATH

Only real choice left.

[Desmond]

Crap

[Poli]

With that...the game is over. The survivors have won.

I'll post my thoughts, roles, etc tomorrow. I don't have that file in my work email, and I can't access yahoo's email here at work.

I will say this. I flubbed this game in the survivor direction inadvertantly a few times, and with that, I apologize.

[Swaggs]

So, did we win?

[Raiders Army]

Well, I'm out for the night. Good luck to us then. Sorry about that Desmond...I think I may have pushed Celeval to that point. On the positive side, at least that clears Celeval.

[Swaggs]

Sweet.

It was fun. Thanks AE. :)

[KWhit]

Wow. Great job Celeval.

[Poli]

An other? I think definitely not one of us.

VOTE PATH

Only real choice left.Now that is classic.

[Swaggs]

So, just a good guess or did you know something, Celeval?

[saldana]

good game survivors. congrats on the win.

[Raiders Army]

LOL. Good game others.

Nice win Celeval, I absolutely knew Desmond was an other!!!

BTW, early in the game, I sent messages to people using a code:

This is a simple, but complicated code that will allow us to crudely communicate after the day is over.

If I begin a post with the first sentence containing the word bunker or some variation thereof, look in the next paragraph for the third word. This will more than likely indicate whom I'm PMing with.

Example: Maybe I should go to the hatch and hang out in the bunker.

I'm thinking Ardent, Barkeep, and Coffee Warlord might be evil.


If I begin a post with the word "I", look in the next paragraph for the first words and take the first letter of every other word.

Example: I think Swaggs was killed by Blade6119.

How many on-time votes originated from pennywisesb? I'm sorry, but I don't see how blade is a bad dude.

hoopsisbad

Didn't use it as much as I thought I would, what with the people I talked to dying and all...

[Bearcat729]

Man I never got to hit someone with the Jesus stick.

[KWhit]

And you didn't give me the code when we talked!

:)

[Poli]

Oops. Looks like I do have the roles. Give me a few minutes.

[Poli]

Check that. False alarm. Another blasted APA homework assignment instead. Regard all further alarms.

[Swaggs]

I gotta hear the story on Blade's role... he had my head spinning.

[Poli]

Seriously. I found it this time. :)

[Bearcat729]

Seriously. I found it this time. :)


If he keeps this up I'm going to hit AE with the stick.

[Celeval]

With that...the game is over. The survivors have won.Rock on. Good game, everyone, it was fun.

[Celeval]

So, just a good guess or did you know something, Celeval?Good help from Raiders today. I was leaning Path over Des earlier, but he convinced me otherwise... and the bit about the role without the explanation pushed me farther.

[Poli]

4. mckerney Doctor. Jack. You may choose one person to protect, never the same person two days in a row.

8. Raiders Army Communication expert. Sayid. You may choose one person a day to PM with. All PMs must be shared with me. For purposes of "a day", the day will start at the beginning of the end of night actions and end at the beginning of the next night action. At this time, you should have someone else selected to communicate with.

21. bearcat729 Priest. Mr. Eko. Misnomer. You are a priest, but a brutal plane crash survivor. Should you be lynched, you will grab one person at random and kill them before you are lynched. If you are attacked at night, you will kill one of "the Others", but you will die in the process (unlike the show, where Eko lives).

10. Schmidty Scout. John Locke. Locke seems to know a lot about scouting and the terrain, this makes you a scout/spy. Each night, you may follow, without fear of being caught, one person to know their true intentions.

6. Grammaticus Millionaire. Hurley. You are a millionaire who won the money by betting on the evil number set of "4,8,15,16,23, and 42". Ever since, you've had bad luck. You can play the numbers for a night action, but must suffer the consequences. I will not tell you what you'll receive if you play the numbers. I will not tell you the consequences. Out of fear of the numbers, you can not tell anyone else about the numbers. You may only play the numbers between nights 2 and 4. (The catch was if he played the numbers, he would know one of the Others. Two villagers would die as a result.)

14. Sndvls Conman. Sawyer. You're a conman. As such, you have your own agenda, and dieing isn't on it. While this won't help you if the Others come after you, it will help if you're about to be lynched. You may personally change the votes of "X" players who are voting for the current lynchee to the next highest vote receiver. You may only change enough votes to effect the lynch. I will determine who's votes are changed at random. You must PM me this action before the end of the lynch. You lose this ability after using it once.

15. Mr. Wednesday Musician. Charlie. You're a member of a band called DriveShaft. You unfortunately are also a drug addict. During the night actions you go out to get your fix. This could cause problems down the road. (The seer would see him as “evil.” However, he would have a small chance to witness one of the night kills while he gets high.)

19. Celeval Cop. Ben Lewis (really Ana Lucia, but I don't think you'd want to be referred to as a woman). Since you've been on the island, you have accused one villager of being one of "the Others", killed one of "the Others", and killed a villager. What does that mean? It means you have the power to kill one villager on demand. PM me and your action goes through when I see it. This would invalidate any vote, unless the deadline has passed. At that point, the villager dies, but the vote still counts.

18. RPI-Fan Handyman. Michael. You've lost your son, Walt. You must post, "Walt!", "They took my son!", or "They took my boy!" at least three times during the day action and at least once during the night action. I'd like for these quotes to be in bold. There may be a hidden benefit in doing so. (There wasn’t, but I didn’t want him to know this.)

13. Blade6119 The Black Smoke. You are on neither side. Every other night action, starting with night 1, you will kill a survivor or one of "the Others". You must PM your choice to me during that night action. Your goal is to survive to the end of the game, regardless of which side wins.



The Others---5 total. (The Others were given the tiebreaker and the ability to assign their roles.)


20. kingfc22

11. Desmond

3. Alan T

16. saldana

2. Desnudo

Brutal Other-- Before being lynched, you may choose one survivor to die with you. PM me your choice.

Cunning Other-- You mix in so well with the other survivors, there is absolutely no way for anyone to tell you are one of the Others.

Tiebreaking Other-- You've mixed in with your Cunning brother, and have the tiebreaker in a lynch scenario. However, unlike Cunning, you can be revealed as one of the Others.

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Villagers--no role

1. Kwhit
5. Swaggs
7. spleen1015
9. tanglewood
12. hoopsguy
17. pennywiseb

You are a simple survivor of the plane crash. You have no special ability of note. Good luck.

[SnDvls]

Good game AE, I enjoied it.

Well played Desmond you had me fooled, but looks like I had 4 of 5 of the Others.

[KWhit]

13. Blade6119 The Black Smoke. You are on neither side. Every other night action, starting with night 1, you will kill a survivor or one of "the Others". You must PM your choice to me during that night action. Your goal is to survive to the end of the game, regardless of which side wins.

I had that one pegged (after he was dead, but it feels good to be right about something!)

:)

[saldana]

holy crap, the survivors had a lot of power players...a bodyguard, 2 assassins, the duke, a seer and a witness, plus the hurley role (neat mechanic there). im surprised we survived as long as we did.

[SnDvls]

the duke.


the duke role really was only useful if I got who I wanted though. That is why I had to have everyone vote me or AlanT for it to work. If two people would have put a vote on anyone else that person would have died. Once Blade and everyone chimed in on voting for me and I had the only other vote out, on AlanT, I knew that I was okay, just had to trust my gut on him being a baddie.

[SnDvls]

dola - I thought you guys played really well. we just all got different hints off different people and it caught up to you all.

[Poli]

I felt the Hurley role would benefit the Others more than anything. I was a little disappointed to see that night kill request.

I screwed the pooch on the simple survivors PM. I should have changed each one of them. I didn't expect to see everyone band together that way. Further, I didn't expect RA to single out the word survivor in the initial posts.

The brutal villager was a random kill for lynch, Other kill at night.

[hoopsguy]

Yep, I had some misgivings on playing the word "simple" in terms of a role reveal and PM'd Ardent about it before commenting on it. But once that was in place the circle of trust was rolling.

The suspicion cast on Desnudo was pretty bogus - tough luck for the others that he took heat over something like that.

I thought a lot of people played really well on the survivor side. Hard to believe that we had this big of an advantage with a 15-5-1 (Blade as his own faction, so to speak) starting ratio, with the others having the tie-breaker role. But they never were able to break through into the ranks of the trusted.

[SnDvls]

I sent a PM to Ardent after I got my role and was wondering what you all thought.

Did anyone find it funny that I got the role of conman? I mean I can't lie to save my life, and here I go and get the duke/conman role and have to tell my role and people still don't belive me. Just thought it was irony at it's finest.

[Poli]

Yep, I had some misgivings on playing the word "simple" in terms of a role reveal and PM'd Ardent about it before commenting on it. But once that was in place the circle of trust was rolling.

Had I knew how critical it would turn out to be, I wouldn't have granted it. :)

[SnDvls]

I thought a lot of people played really well on the survivor side. Hard to believe that we had this big of an advantage with a 15-5-1 (Blade as his own faction, so to speak) starting ratio, with the others having the tie-breaker role. But they never were able to break through into the ranks of the trusted.

I think they actually had a couple of shots at it, but their actions and voting patterns, which the players who were others helped us keep track of, did them in.

[Desnudo]

Yep, I had some misgivings on playing the word "simple" in terms of a role reveal and PM'd Ardent about it before commenting on it. But once that was in place the circle of trust was rolling.

The suspicion cast on Desnudo was pretty bogus - tough luck for the others that he took heat over something like that.

I thought a lot of people played really well on the survivor side. Hard to believe that we had this big of an advantage with a 15-5-1 (Blade as his own faction, so to speak) starting ratio, with the others having the tie-breaker role. But they never were able to break through into the ranks of the trusted.

Yes, like I told Blade (after we were both dead), I would have written that whether I was good or evil. I also think it's generally backed up by my gameplay. Unlucky roll of the dice for us. It forced me into a defensive position which totally changed how I handled everything else. Instead of trying to blend in, that scrutiny cast a bad light on anything I said or did. Once you were validated by a few other survivors I was done.

Good job survivors picking up on the clues out there.

[Desnudo]

I think they actually had a couple of shots at it, but their actions and voting patterns, which the players who were others helped us keep track of, did them in.

One of the huge problems was that King was at risk of getting lynched on day 1 and then my number came up the next day (or the one after?). It probably would have been better to take one for the team and "validate" ourselves by killing King, but oh well.

[saldana]

i tried to bank on the fact that we have never had a tiebreaker be a bad guy before, so me forcing the tie as the brutal wolf was a play i thought would clear desmond, and let me use my power the next night, but RA played a hell of a game and had us pegged hard. thanks ardent.

[hoopsguy]

It took me all three days of talking to RA over the weekend to get him to believe I wasn't a wolf after my Day 1 vote change off King onto Mr. W. Ugh.

[Blade6119]

Assuming sndvls does duke it, this is my wolf list as of now:
Alant
Desnudo
Kingfc

King makes perfect sense if you assume hes a wolf. That would mean that the wolves were trying to save king and took the mr. w bandwagon(like having alan, desnudo, and king all on mr. w)....day 2 desnudo goes on the block and takes the lead. Mckerney then leaves for the night and suddenly we have a movement to him that ties it up(with both desnudo and alan on mckerney, who had voted for desnudo before he left)..King went on raiders on day 2 as well, and since i trust raiders this counts as a bad move to me as well.

So basically all 3 have voted for nothing but confirmed good guys, and mostly did it in protection of an other.

It sounds odd , but we may have been this close to lynching an other both days so far...SOMEHOW, a late switch saved both of them from dying...coincidence?
I dont think today is about voting patterns...today is all about alan/desnudo/king vs you/me....basically...
desmond needs to die soon...

Just wanted to gloat about having 4 of the 5 the day i died...Im shocked that no one quoted that top post after i died...but felt like being cocky there :p

Kwhit, i didnt lie to you. I could win with either side, but i picked to win with the villagers. I feel i was a key component in the villager win, as without my help(role reveal, push for alan/desnudo/king(day before anyone but hoops cared), my desnudo night kill, and my defense of RA who everyone and their mother seemed to want to kill) i think things would have played out far different. RA credited hoops and i with tipping him on saldana, though that i cannot claim...i mentioned him, but didnt have a read on saldana yet. Altogether we got a lot of lucky breaks this game and a lot of solid play from some villagers(RA, Kwhit, sun, hoops, celeval)...altogether i think this was just one of those games where everything just fell into place beautifully.

[Swaggs]

Just wanted to gloat about having 4 of the 5 the day i died...Im shocked that no one quoted that top post after i died...but felt like being cocky there :p

Kwhit, i didnt lie to you. I could win with either side, but i picked to win with the villagers. I feel i was a key component in the villager win, as without my help(role reveal, push for alan/desnudo/king(day before anyone but hoops cared), my desnudo night kill, and my defense of RA who everyone and their mother seemed to want to kill) i think things would have played out far different. RA credited hoops and i with tipping him on saldana, though that i cannot claim...i mentioned him, but didnt have a read on saldana yet. Altogether we got a lot of lucky breaks this game and a lot of solid play from some villagers(RA, Kwhit, sun, hoops, celeval)...altogether i think this was just one of those games where everything just fell into place beautifully.

I think I know why we didn't pick out some of your better clues ( ;) ):

Who Posted?
Total Posts: 2,456
User Name Posts
Blade6119 409
spleen1015 180
SnDvls 175
Alan T 173
KWhit 156
Raiders Army 154
hoopsguy 152
pennywisesb 132
Celeval 131
Swaggs 122
saldana 116
Desnudo 92
path12 76
ardent enthusiast 69
Schmidty 64
kingfc22 59
Desmond 44
PackerFanatic 42
mckerney 40
Bearcat729 28
Mr. Wednesday 17
Grammaticus 7
tanglewood 7
Barkeep49 3
RPI-Fan 2
dubb93 2
Coder 1
TazFTW 1
Buccaneer 1
Brillig 1

[Swaggs]

By the way, who killed/deactivated Blade anyway?

[Blade6119]

By the way, who killed/deactivated Blade anyway?
I was night attacked by the wolves the night i assasinated desnudo(1 wolf for one non-villager)..that helped you guys out too lol

[hoopsguy]

And people suggest I post a lot in these games ... I was 7th!

[Blade6119]

And people suggest I post a lot in these games ... I was 7th!
You died on day 2 :rolleyes: ;)

[hoopsguy]

As if that slows you down :)

[Blade6119]

Wait, i died? ;)

[Blade6119]

10. Schmidty Scout. John Locke. Locke seems to know a lot about scouting and the terrain, this makes you a scout/spy. Each night, you may follow, without fear of being caught, one person to know their true intentions.[/font]

Who did you follow this game?

[pennywisesb]

Good job everyone!

[path12]

Woot! Way to go survivors! Great call at the end, Celeval.

[Raiders Army]

RA credited hoops and i with tipping him on saldana, though that i cannot claim...i mentioned him, but didnt have a read on saldana yet.
I went back to this PM, which was the 2nd one you sent to me:

Another idea is looking at players who didnt check in as survivors(either special roles or others possibly).

Heres a list of check-ins by my count(in order of posting):
1.Myself(post 50)...first person to call survivor, i know im not an other

2.Mckerney...makes a joke, post 51..follows it up with another a few later...no mention of survivor

3.Schmidty - Post 53...just says "I am here"

4.bearcat - post 55 claims survivor...so far has seemed helpful

5.Hoopsguy - claims survivor(56)...always one to watch...like myself hasnt been a wolf in awhile...he is always near the top of my suspicion list becuase i know how bad he can screw us.

6.Tanglewood(57) claims survivor
7.alan(58)-just checks in
8.pennywise - claims survivor(59)
9.Kingfc(60) never claims survivor...king and penny above were the two to latch onto number idea so far, something to not
10.Kwhit(69) claims survivor
11.Saldana(71)-another bolded, claims villager...interesting he doesnt say survivor
12.Sundvls(70)-makes random post, then provides great detail on show
13.RPI(81) - doesnt check in, just thanks sun for info
14.Desnudo(84) - again, doesnt check in...just starts talking
15.gramat(87)-claims survivor
16. Swaggs(92) - "i am here"...
17.Desmond(97) - just starts talking...wait, who the hell is desmond?
I combined that with hoops' breakthrough of "simple" and it was pretty easy from there. It's somewhat of a shame that I went back to Day 1 and Day 2 conversations on Days 5-6. The voting patterns helped as well, but this was the major piece of evidence in my mind.

Then again, a broken clock is right twice a day. Guess I got lucky on saldana and Desmond. ;)

[Raiders Army]

And you didn't give me the code when we talked!

:)
Actually that day I forgot to. And the code was a pain in the ass to create.

[Alan T]

Hehe, nice job all. Fun game AE. Thanks alot!

[Blade6119]

I went back to this PM, which was the 2nd one you sent to me:


I combined that with hoops' breakthrough of "simple" and it was pretty easy from there. It's somewhat of a shame that I went back to Day 1 and Day 2 conversations on Days 5-6. The voting patterns helped as well, but this was the major piece of evidence in my mind.

Then again, a broken clock is right twice a day. Guess I got lucky on saldana and Desmond. ;)
Im glad my research helped...i always do stuff like that, but i never share it with anyone. Dont really want people to know i actually have methods to my madness lol. Yah, not a single of the 5 others checked in as a survivor, which turned out huge. It might be they didnt have survivor in their PM or were afraid of empath. Either way im glad it helped. You of all people can believe i really was working for the villager win, right buddy? I dont want you to think i was lying to you on day one, but i hope my action proved that to you

[Raiders Army]

You of all people can believe i really was working for the villager win, right buddy? I dont want you to think i was lying to you on day one, but i hope my action proved that to you
I can confirm this. I was somewhat nervous about the no-kill on night 1, but I think you explained that pretty well.

...and I didn't sell you out. :)

[Blade6119]

I can confirm this. I was somewhat nervous about the no-kill on night 1, but I think you explained that pretty well.

...and I didn't sell you out. :)
I know, thank you buddy. Our circle of trust was a key cog in winning when combined with the "simple" part...altogether it was a game where role reveals won it, not their actual actions if you ask me(though me killing desnudo and celeval killing desmond helped).

I want to commend all the villagers...this was a solid game...after day 2 we killed at least 1 wolf every day

[saldana]

Yah, not a single of the 5 others checked in as a survivor, which turned out huge. It might be they didnt have survivor in their PM or were afraid of empath.


the word survivor didnt appear in my pm...i was told that i was an other, who the other others were, and then asked to split our 3 roles up amongst ourselves, which ardent asked us to do kind of quickly because people had already started checking in. when the whole "simple"thing started, i actually asked if i could have that pm so we werent pinned in by it, but ardent would give it to me. the fact that "survivor" didnt show in my PM was huge to me personally, since i have never watched a single episode of the show and knew absolutely nothing about it (bolded for RA in case hes drunk again ;) )i would never have thought to put it in my check in post because i didnt even know what the other team was called...shit, i didnt know what my team was called until i got the PM.

[Blade6119]

the word survivor didnt appear in my pm...i was told that i was an other, who the other others were, and then asked to split our 3 roles up amongst ourselves, which ardent asked us to do kind of quickly because people had already started checking in. when the whole "simple"thing started, i actually asked if i could have that pm so we werent pinned in by it, but ardent would give it to me. the fact that "survivor" didnt show in my PM was huge to me personally, since i have never watched a single episode of the show and knew absolutely nothing about it (bolded for RA in case hes drunk again ;) )i would never have thought to put it in my check in post because i didnt even know what the other team was called...shit, i didnt know what my team was called until i got the PM.
I figured you would see everyone else saying survivor and follow suite...but that sucks...i can't believe you asked him for the PM though...that would have been cheating if he had.

My PM had both others and survivors, but its very interesting you guys got to divide roles and didnt give alan cunning...with the way he plays he would have been by far the best choice in my mind

[saldana]

I figured you would see everyone else saying survivor and follow suite...but that sucks...i can't believe you asked him for the PM though...that would have been cheating if he had.

My PM had both others and survivors, but its very interesting you guys got to divide roles and didnt give alan cunning...with the way he plays he would have been by far the best choice in my mind

i didnt think it would have been cheating on our part at the time because of the way it was obviously giving the survivors an unfair advantage to be able to quote it....even if i had tried to say i was one at that point, it would have stood out even more, and would have been piling on to the trust circle...i asked to see it so i could try to figure out a way to counteract the fact that half a dozen people were cleared in a 5 minute span by an unintentional mechanic. we didnt make alan the cunning because we thought you would have more NAMBLA meetings with him like you did last game if he kissed your ass a bit.....we thought that was enough cover for him.

[Blade6119]

we didnt make alan the cunning because we thought you would have more NAMBLA meetings with him like you did last game if he kissed your ass a bit.....we thought that was enough cover for him.
Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice shame on me...there was no way i was letting alan pull that off after how he pulled one over on me. It might have worked on someone else, but after getting bitten by the snake you learn to watch its movements..the snake has a far better chance of striking at a new unsuspecting target.

But to each his own, i just think repeating play styles as a wolf is a horrid idea...funny, but horrid...its why sndvls always cracks me up, because he always has the same damn wolf style

[saldana]

But to each his own, i just think repeating play styles as a wolf is a horrid idea...funny, but horrid...its why sndvls always cracks me up, because he always has the same damn wolf style

which is exactly why i recommended the idea, he has gotten so much better with each game he has played ( a fact i am sure others have noticed too), i thought it would be obvious he was doing the same thing he did last game and you would think that he couldnt be so dumb as to use the same strategy he used last game, so he couldnt be a wolf again.

[Blade6119]

which is exactly why i recommended the idea, he has gotten so much better with each game he has played ( a fact i am sure others have noticed too), i thought it would be obvious he was doing the same thing he did last game and you would think that he couldnt be so dumb as to use the same strategy he used last game, so he couldnt be a wolf again.
He has improved tremendously, far faster then other players in my mind(not a knock on anyone else, just a compliment to him). It was the gramat kill that made me look his way due to comments about him he made in past games. After that it was merely a matter of connecting the dots(and mckerney protecting himself from me, as well as talking to raiders)

[PackerFanatic]

Great game everyone, glad I could step in and help out the good guys :)

And AE, I really thought I would gain knowledge by putting that stuff in my posts, that makes me sad! ;)

Glad to say I am 2 - 0 in my WW games :)

[Desmond]

Damn, I was hoping I would last a few days to at least get a chuckle out of it. Good game everyone. Having never played one of these before I was taken back by the speed and level at which you guys play. I often found myself trying to be quiet just so I wouldn't mess up because i was positive if i made the slightest error i would be in trouble. Sorry other others, the last night I couldn't concentrate fully on the game, not sure how i would of convinced anyone not to vote for me though, other than batting my eyelashes, lol. This was fun.

[hoopsguy]

Desmond, I think it is pretty tough being a wolf in your first game with the group. Hope to see you in another one soon.

[Alan T]

you did fine Desmond. Nice having you :)

[Poli]

My screw ups aside, it was fun to GM this.

Adding details from the show throughout the game...and getting others to actually watch the show was a bonus. I hope I got a few of you hooked.

I liked the confusion amongst...EVERYONE when I introduced the jail cell...which was nothing more than a delayed lynch.

[pennywisesb]

Yeah, good job Desmond, you actually stayed off of our radar for quite a while.