Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[Alan T]

9. tanglewood
10. Schmidty
21. bearcat729

People who have hardly been heard from. Unless there's a pressing need to ensure a tie break or some real evidence comes forward, I think my vote will go to one of these three.


Of those three, bearcat has 13 posts, schmidty 10 posts, tanglewood only 7. Some of tanglewood's posts were about him missing the deadline as well, which comes off a little suspicious, but could just be an honest mistake. I havent heard much from him since that missed deadline other than coming in to ask who was highly distrusted.

[spleen1015]

Does anyone know tabglewood's WW history?

[spleen1015]

Okay guys. I am outta here.

I will check back late tonight.

[Desnudo]

Does anyone know tabglewood's WW history?

He's generally fairly quiet if my impresssion from the last game carries over. He lives in England, so the deadline occurs at something like 4 AM for him.

[Alan T]

He's generally fairly quiet if my impresssion from the last game carries over. He lives in England, so the deadline occurs at something like 4 AM for him.


no excuse!! WW is a 24/7 game!! j/k :)

[Desnudo]

Well it actually isn't. For example it's probably around 9 PM there right now. Not saying you should dedicate your life to the game like Blade, but at least put in a cameo now and then.

[Bearcat729]

My head hurts from reading all this. I'm not sure who to vote for, but right now I know I don't trust Blade. The only other time I played a werewolf game someone came along and pretended to be a seer and everyone just believed them. In the end it got me killed so the fact that Blade came out with a bizarre claim like the role he seems to have instantly reminded me of that last game. I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt for today though. I'm also weary of the small group of 3 because it doesn't make sense to me to ally myself with anyone in these games. Perhaps it's inexperience but if one of the people I call an ally in the game were to be shown as a wolf I would look guilty by association and it doesn't seem to be a good idea. I'm not sold on voting for Raiders Army or Alan T just yet because I haven't seen any reason to vote for them.

In the end I'm still where I was yesterday. I have no idea who to vote for yet, but I lean towards Blade simply because of the other werewolf game I played.

[hoopsguy]

Bearcat, I would meet you halfway on the idea of trust. I think it is critical to establish people who you do trust, but I don't think that trust should be easily given. But when the "villagers" are able to start collecting a group of voices that they know are not trying to manipulate them (even if they are not correct at that moment) it makes it much easier to focus on the other players. It puts additional pressure on the "wolves" because they have to exert energies shaking the trust or else trying to placate the trusted group without the benefit of facts.

But if you pick the wrong people to trust you are in a world of hurt, because it generally takes a long time to realize the mistake.

[Bearcat729]

Well I've got to leave for work. I should be back in plenty of time to cast an actual vote. Perhaps there will be another 5 pages of information to base my vote on.

[KWhit]

There probably will be.

[hoopsguy]

VOTE ALAN T

I believe the race is tied at 2 for Alan, Raiders, and Pennywise before my vote. I don't want to see either of the other two lynched today.

Alan, up to this point in the game I've seen you as someone who is an active participant in the conversation, but not taking risks. This isn't some kind of mandate to play a style you aren't comfortable playing, but I have seen many people play a wolf in this fashion before. It is very comfortable to do that when you know that the villagers are not headed in the right direction. It is considerably less comfortable to do when the villagers start to move down the right path.

I would like to believe that we are on the same side this game but after about 1,000 posts I'm not there yet. But I'm definitely interested in how you respond. And how the rest of the vote plays out.

[Blade6119]

For what it is worth, I am not sure whether or not Blade is a survivor or other, but I feel like he is lying about his role.

He has the ability to see night actions (maybe someone slipped him a note?).

He has the ability to kill up to two others if they try to attack him, but would die a simple death if lynched. I don't buy this. I do not see any possible way that you would reveal this or be so accusatory in the early game. If I had this power, I would be quiet and lay low, hoping that the others would try to pick me off. Also, I watch Lost and I do not feel like these powers, beyond observational and, perhaps, being able to tell whether one of us is good/evil, fits into the "character" of the Black Smoke on the show. There is also no indication that the Black Smoke is something that can even be attacked. Someone like Sawyer or Locke seem more likely to be able to counter-attack, in my opinion.

And he has some other knowledge about AlanT?

This just seems like too powerful of a character to me.
Far off to be honest...i have no witness/seer powers, i have no outside knowldge of alant...if you really think I of all people would lay low your kidding yourself.

I hinted as bluntly as i could at it, but since you guys cant seem to connect the dots:

I am the black smoke/security system...everything i have told you about my role is true...this was just ommitted:

I HAD THE POWER OF ASSASINATION...IT WAS ME WHO TARGETED MCKERNEY AFTER BACKING OFF KING AT THE LAST SECOND...i do have the power to repel night attacks(to some extent, as i stated earlier in the 80/20). Im not a witness, i was the one trying to kill him. hence why i know exactly what happened. im not a seer...im merely an assasin who is built to live. I thought celeval and hoops picked up on this earlier, but they never said anything(if they did and were just being respectful to my wishes i thank you).

As for alan, heres a broad analogy since desnudo was talking about skipping rocks in a lake:
Swimming in the summer is nice, warm, fun...if you come back another summer, its basically the same...

Swimming in the winter is harder, more challenging(maybe even icy), but every winter its going to be pretty much the same...

Meaning a person usually plays the same style as a villager(summer) every time, and usually plays the same way as a wolf(winter)

His game so far, albiet not attached to me, has been quite similar the last time he was a wolf.

[Blade6119]

Well it actually isn't. For example it's probably around 9 PM there right now. Not saying you should dedicate your life to the game like Blade, but at least put in a cameo now and then.
You know, its derogratory comments like that which remind me why i want to take a break from WW...too many asses

[Alan T]

VOTE ALAN T

I believe the race is tied at 2 for Alan, Raiders, and Pennywise before my vote. I don't want to see either of the other two lynched today.

Alan, up to this point in the game I've seen you as someone who is an active participant in the conversation, but not taking risks. This isn't some kind of mandate to play a style you aren't comfortable playing, but I have seen many people play a wolf in this fashion before. It is very comfortable to do that when you know that the villagers are not headed in the right direction. It is considerably less comfortable to do when the villagers start to move down the right path.

I would like to believe that we are on the same side this game but after about 1,000 posts I'm not there yet. But I'm definitely interested in how you respond. And how the rest of the vote plays out.


I don't think i have not taken risks per say.. I think I was the main one pushing for penny to not be voted today when it seemed the bandwagon was rolling against him. That apparently has gotten me some disfavor with Blade who was the main one pushing that. I also both days have tried to come out with someone I thought was a higher suspicion to me, and put a vote on them. If I was into not taking risks, I would probably sit back and see what types of things get stirred up. :) I'm not trying to take risks on purpose or not take risks, I just have an invested interest in us trying to get more information out there and people taking sides per say through their actions so Day 3 does not look like Day 2 did at start.

I halfway think that my trying to get people to reconsider voting for penny without reason other than thats the "Safe thing" that everyone else is doing was partially to help you all expand your circle of trust. Like I said earlier by penny and Spleen vouching for you (or at least most of the way) its taken you down a bit on my suspicion meeter (even though you are voting for me, I just think that is misguided).

[Blade6119]

That apparently has gotten me some disfavor with Blade who was the main one pushing that.
In all honesty it has nothing to do with that...

[hoopsguy]

Could very well be - I've been very misguided a couple of times in WW before and I'm sure I will be again. I think this is actually the first one we have played together, so it is entirely possible.

Whatever else you may think about the vote, there has been a good amount of consideration of it above and beyond wanting to follow a herd. If I had been voting at the time I woke up this morning strictly on who I thought was an other, without any voting pattern considerations, it would have been on you. But I've held off waiting for something that would reduce my state of anxiety around your play - it just hasn't happened yet. If you do end up a survivor then I'll be guilty of displacing my own thoughts on how I would play a wolf onto you because your actions/style have mapped out pretty closely to how I would operate.

[Swaggs]

Far off to be honest...i have no witness/seer powers, i have no outside knowldge of alant...if you really think I of all people would lay low your kidding yourself.

I hinted as bluntly as i could at it, but since you guys cant seem to connect the dots:

I am the black smoke/security system...everything i have told you about my role is true...this was just ommitted:

I HAD THE POWER OF ASSASINATION...IT WAS ME WHO TARGETED MCKERNEY AFTER BACKING OFF KING AT THE LAST SECOND...i do have the power to repel night attacks(to some extent, as i stated earlier in the 80/20). Im not a witness, i was the one trying to kill him. hence why i know exactly what happened. im not a seer...im merely an assasin who is built to live. I thought celeval and hoops picked up on this earlier, but they never said anything(if they did and were just being respectful to my wishes i thank you).

As for alan, heres a broad analogy since desnudo was talking about skipping rocks in a lake:
Swimming in the summer is nice, warm, fun...if you come back another summer, its basically the same...

Swimming in the winter is harder, more challenging(maybe even icy), but every winter its going to be pretty much the same...

Meaning a person usually plays the same style as a villager(summer) every time, and usually plays the same way as a wolf(winter)

His game so far, albiet not attached to me, has been quite similar the last time he was a wolf.

Fair enough defense, but I still do not believe that you have the ability to repel attacks and assasinate people. One or the other, I can buy.

I still stand by my opinion that your role description do not fit in with the "character" of the Black Smoke and will add that I believe other named Lost characters fit the descriptions that you have given better.

That said, I currently believe you are lying more for self preservation than on behalf of the others.

[KWhit]

I think I was the main one pushing for penny to not be voted today when it seemed the bandwagon was rolling against him.
That's true and is what leads me to believe that Alan's okay for now - meaning he is above average on my "trust meter". :)

I wouldn't call him trustworthy yet, but there are better choices to vote for tonight, I think.

Maybe Tanglewood, Raiders, or for that matter Packerfan, Desmond, or Bearcat are better choices in my mind just because their neutral or average as far as trust/distrust in concerned.

In fact, I'm going to cast a preliminary vote on one of these guys. This is totally subject to change and I'll be checking in later. But for now:

Vote Desmond

He had a pile on vote on Mr Wednesday yesterday and has been very very quiet.

[Desmond]

Blade, if you're the "smoke", the security system so to speak, then what other role on the show would be the "seer"? The security system on the show can kill, it's true, but he also knows who to kill because he can tell who is good and who is not.

Again, maybe im just trying to correlate the show and the game together too much, but what other character on the show would fit in as the seer?

[Blade6119]

Blade, if you're the "smoke", the security system so to speak, then what other role on the show would be the "seer"? The security system on the show can kill, it's true, but he also knows who to kill because he can tell who is good and who is not.

Again, maybe im just trying to correlate the show and the game together too much, but what other character on the show would fit in as the seer?
I dont know the show, so i cant say...but people said walt and locke had mental powers supposedly...i dont know who is good and bad, outside of my normal WW sluething abilities...and right now they point alan. yesterday they told me mr. w was good, i said it repeatedly and no one listened...now im afraid its going to happen in reverse today

[Desmond]

That's true and is what leads me to believe that Alan's okay for now - meaning he is above average on my "trust meter". :)

I wouldn't call him trustworthy yet, but there are better choices to vote for tonight, I think.

Maybe Tanglewood, Raiders, or for that matter Packerfan, Desmond, or Bearcat are better choices in my mind just because their neutral or average as far as trust/distrust in concerned.

In fact, I'm going to cast a preliminary vote on one of these guys. This is totally subject to change and I'll be checking in later. But for now:

Vote Desmond

He had a pile on vote on Mr Wednesday yesterday and has been very very quiet.

I'd like to note that I was writing my previous post as this was being posted and that it's not in response to it. Actually I just got in a bit ago and have been trying like hell to catch up, a common refrain the past 2 days, lol.

[pennywisesb]

I HAD THE POWER OF ASSASINATION...IT WAS ME WHO TARGETED MCKERNEY AFTER BACKING OFF KING AT THE LAST SECOND...i do have the power to repel night attacks(to some extent, as i stated earlier in the 80/20).

Did I miss the reason McKerney wasn't killed then if you targeted him?

[hoopsguy]

If Blade and I are both still alive tomorrow I think this thread will break the WW records for most posts.

[Desnudo]

You know, its derogratory comments like that which remind me why i want to take a break from WW...too many asses

And yet you make a comment like too many asses and that's okay? If you've got a problem with something I say, at least have the balls to use my name. I meant it as a joke, you have 25% of the posts in this thread in a game of 21 peole. Don't take it so seriously.

[Blade6119]

Did I miss the reason McKerney wasn't killed then if you targeted him?
As i stated at least 3 times, it was blocked...the PM i recieved said at first like "negative black smoke, that pattern in full...your attack did not succeed"...i inquired as to why, and he said something like "without giving details away, mckerney was protected"...thats as close to the PMs i can get paraphrasing.

i assumed he was either a wolf with an anti-assasin role, the bodyguard protected him, or he has that villager role that isnt afraid of the security system

[Desmond]

Well it's clear that you guys are Sawyer and Jack. J/K :)

[Blade6119]

And yet you make a comment like too many asses and that's okay? If you've got a problem with something I say, at least have the balls to use my name. I meant it as a joke, you have 25% of the posts in this thread in a game of 21 peole. Don't take it so seriously.
I figured by quoting your name i made it pretty clear. i havent minded any thing this game except that comment, and didnt think i needed to use your name when quoting your remark. Ill make sure to better single you out next time i complain you say something i take personal.

But hey, my ass comment was just a joke...dont take it so seriously

[Blade6119]

If Blade and I are both still alive tomorrow I think this thread will break the WW records for most posts.
ARDENT, DID PATH TURN DOWN THE RPI SPOT OR JUST NOT RESPOND?

[Desnudo]

I figured by quoting your name i made it pretty clear. i havent minded any thing this game except that comment, and didnt think i needed to use your name when quoting your remark. Ill make sure to better single you out next time i complain you say something i take personal.

But hey, my ass comment was just a joke...dont take it so seriously

I don't. Just in the future, try Desnudo, you're an ass, rather than implied insults.

[Desmond]

Did we ever settle on what role we thought Mr. W was with what he was trying to convey to us?

[pennywisesb]

I'm having a hard time even thinking about voting for Alan T at this point. He was one of the only people sticking up for me at the beginning of the day.

Hoops, what is your evidence towards Alan T and Desmond compared to voting for say RA? RA hasn't really shown me a reason NOT to vote him at this point.

[Celeval]

Did we ever settle on what role we thought Mr. W was with what he was trying to convey to us?
Character - Charlie
Role - no.

[pennywisesb]

Dola *desnudo, not desmond, my bad.

[Raiders Army]

I'm on page 15 right now. Just got home from work. Bitch of a day.

[Raiders Army]

Bah! Knowing for sure that KWhit is a survivor, this vote bothers me. The only conclusion I draw is that you're an 'other'. If you weren't why would you vote for him? He's a good guy.
I survivor wouldn't know that KWhit is a survivor.

I'm on page 16.

[Raiders Army]

I guess I don't understand if everyone seems to be going down the penny road of thought, why some of the rest of that group come off scott free right now. Its almost like Raiders is quietly sliding back into the shadows here and letting people run with it.
No, I'm not. I wasn't at my desk at work since I was out all day.

On page 17 now.

[Raiders Army]

Alan T is definately entering my circle of trust at this point because it seems he's one of the only ones who isn't being swayed by Blade's and Hoops "suspicions". These suspicions are definately hard for me to read as well, because it seems as though Blade knows for a fact that Hoops is a good guy, and if thats the case Blade would also be a good guy. So it would seem that in this case there are two good guys pushing for another good guy's lynch....Interesting.

I also think that RA is getting off scott-free here, especially if an "other" was involved in the King vote (which I'm not convinced is the case). But, if that is your line of thought, I think RA should be getting just as much scrutiny as I.
Screw off fellow Raiders fan! At least I put Raiders in my screen name. :D

Anyhow, I put the first vote on King and it was because he voted for me. Tell me again why I should get just as much scruntiny as you? On page 18. Yay.

[Raiders Army]

After his last post, penny needs to be taken off of the suspect list.

I would like to see Raiders lynched today, folks. If you think a wolf voted for king, then Raiders is the only choice.
Not surprising at all that you say that.

[Raiders Army]

Can you please re-iterate why RA has a far better chance of being good? I just don't understand why RA is being let off the hook...
Cuz I'm better looking than you and have a bigger penis.

[pennywisesb]

Not surprising at all that you say that.

Keep reading dude, some shit has hit the fan alittle bit. It will make more sense if you keep reading before posting.

[Raiders Army]

I meant to say, Until someone else proves they deserve my vote or RA proves he doesn't deserve it, my vote stays there.

Sheesh. I have 14 thoughts running through my fingers at once.
Prove how I deserve it. Because I pointed out the lack of logic in your day 1 vote? Because I voted for you today? I guess that's how I received your vote.

[Poli]

ARDENT, DID PATH TURN DOWN THE RPI SPOT OR JUST NOT RESPOND?Packerfanatic has assumed RPI's spot.

[Schmidty]

9. tanglewood
10. Schmidty
21. bearcat729

People who have hardly been heard from. Unless there's a pressing need to ensure a tie break or some real evidence comes forward, I think my vote will go to one of these three.

I haven'tbeen THAT inactive. When I have something to say, I say it.

As I said before, There's only been 1 vote. There's not a whole lot to go on, so I don't feel like going on a wild goose chase like in the WW before last.

When there's something for me to say in this particular game, you'll definitely hear from me, I promise.

[hoopsguy]

Pennywise, I'll let Raiders defend himself here since he is in the thread. But my concerns on Alan T and Desnudo are as follows:

1.) Alan T: posts 1011 and 1016 cover them. Short version, when a wolf knows all the villagers, they can play the game in a way to try and generate favor by dissenting from votes on villagers. The lynch comes up, they were right to express concern for the winner, and try to accumulate trust. Alan T has been in the conversations, but not driving the conversations. If he is playing an other, I think I'm paying him a compliment. If he is a survivor then I'm doing a crappy job of reading him.

2.) Desnudo - throwaway vote on Day 1 that I just didn't quite get (it was on the same guy I voted for, so I'm not trying to light him up for voting for Mr W). Then was coupled by his declaration of "I always post late" when asked about it, despite evidence to the contrary from last game (posted extensively on this) to this claim. I'm not saying this makes him an other, but it did leave me edgy.

Another guy that has not really been part of the conversation up until now is Saldana. I'm not saying he is an other, but for an active player he has managed to stay very low profile.

I tend to enjoy playing with guys who mix it up in the thread and give me a lot of posts to work with for my analysis. As a result, I'm overly suspicious of people who are quiet because it makes my life harder. And I'm even more suspicious when people who I think are more on the chatty side most games are not chatty in the current game. Maybe they are sitting on a role they don't want to reveal, maybe they are others. But without conversation it is hard for me to figure that out.

[pennywisesb]

Pennywise, I'll let Raiders defend himself here since he is in the thread. But my concerns on Alan T and Desnudo are as follows:

1.) Alan T: posts 1011 and 1016 cover them. Short version, when a wolf knows all the villagers, they can play the game in a way to try and generate favor by dissenting from votes on villagers. The lynch comes up, they were right to express concern for the winner, and try to accumulate trust. Alan T has been in the conversations, but not driving the conversations. If he is playing an other, I think I'm paying him a compliment. If he is a survivor then I'm doing a crappy job of reading him.

2.) Desnudo - throwaway vote on Day 1 that I just didn't quite get (it was on the same guy I voted for, so I'm not trying to light him up for voting for Mr W). Then was coupled by his declaration of "I always post late" when asked about it, despite evidence to the contrary from last game (posted extensively on this) to this claim. I'm not saying this makes him an other, but it did leave me edgy.

Another guy that has not really been part of the conversation up until now is Saldana. I'm not saying he is an other, but for an active player he has managed to stay very low profile.

I tend to enjoy playing with guys who mix it up in the thread and give me a lot of posts to work with for my analysis. As a result, I'm overly suspicious of people who are quiet because it makes my life harder. And I'm even more suspicious when people who I think are more on the chatty side most games are not chatty in the current game. Maybe they are sitting on a role they don't want to reveal, maybe they are others. But without conversation it is hard for me to figure that out.

I like that analysis. I did mention it'd be a good play for Alan T to argue for me to be saved (or at least for people to reconsider their votes on me) because he knew it'd make me essentially an ally with him. I'm not sure those were his motives, but if they were, good play. I don't think I'm ready to vote to lynch him yet though.

Desnudo on the otherhand was alittle shady in the post you mentioned and I'll probably be giving some consideration to voting for him in tonights vote because of it.

I also agree with your Saldana observations as well. Usually he's a very active player, but I know he does work during the day and that it sometimes effects the amount of time he's actually available to be in the thread. It will be interesting to hear from him when he gets home from work tonight.

[Schmidty]

...I'm inclined to get rid of people who aren't contributing anything.

I never understand comments like this. When there isn't anything remotely concrete to go on in the early game, why should someone be expected to have diarreah of the keyboard and come up with crazy accusations with absolutely no evidence to "contribute"? Talking for talking sake accomplishes nothing more at this point than sitting back and watching. In every game I've been in, I've been like this. After a few nights, voting patterns, comments and behaviors are easier to identify and think on. That's when I usually pipe in more. I refuse to be a Blade type of player, since that's not my style.

[Swaggs]

Pennywise, I'll let Raiders defend himself here since he is in the thread. But my concerns on Alan T and Desnudo are as follows:

1.) Alan T: posts 1011 and 1016 cover them. Short version, when a wolf knows all the villagers, they can play the game in a way to try and generate favor by dissenting from votes on villagers. The lynch comes up, they were right to express concern for the winner, and try to accumulate trust. Alan T has been in the conversations, but not driving the conversations. If he is playing an other, I think I'm paying him a compliment. If he is a survivor then I'm doing a crappy job of reading him.

2.) Desnudo - throwaway vote on Day 1 that I just didn't quite get (it was on the same guy I voted for, so I'm not trying to light him up for voting for Mr W). Then was coupled by his declaration of "I always post late" when asked about it, despite evidence to the contrary from last game (posted extensively on this) to this claim. I'm not saying this makes him an other, but it did leave me edgy.

Another guy that has not really been part of the conversation up until now is Saldana. I'm not saying he is an other, but for an active player he has managed to stay very low profile.

I tend to enjoy playing with guys who mix it up in the thread and give me a lot of posts to work with for my analysis. As a result, I'm overly suspicious of people who are quiet because it makes my life harder. And I'm even more suspicious when people who I think are more on the chatty side most games are not chatty in the current game. Maybe they are sitting on a role they don't want to reveal, maybe they are others. But without conversation it is hard for me to figure that out.

I am leaning toward voting for AlanT tonight, as well. He has used a lot of words and posts to say very little. Perhaps it is just his style in these games, but I like he is doing a good job of planting some seeds and then backing away.

[Swaggs]

Above post should say, "I feel like he is doing a good job..."

[Schmidty]

Pennywise, I'll let Raiders defend himself here since he is in the thread. But my concerns on Alan T and Desnudo are as follows:

1.) Alan T: posts 1011 and 1016 cover them. Short version, when a wolf knows all the villagers, they can play the game in a way to try and generate favor by dissenting from votes on villagers. The lynch comes up, they were right to express concern for the winner, and try to accumulate trust. Alan T has been in the conversations, but not driving the conversations. If he is playing an other, I think I'm paying him a compliment. If he is a survivor then I'm doing a crappy job of reading him.

2.) Desnudo - throwaway vote on Day 1 that I just didn't quite get (it was on the same guy I voted for, so I'm not trying to light him up for voting for Mr W). Then was coupled by his declaration of "I always post late" when asked about it, despite evidence to the contrary from last game (posted extensively on this) to this claim. I'm not saying this makes him an other, but it did leave me edgy.

Another guy that has not really been part of the conversation up until now is Saldana. I'm not saying he is an other, but for an active player he has managed to stay very low profile.

I tend to enjoy playing with guys who mix it up in the thread and give me a lot of posts to work with for my analysis. As a result, I'm overly suspicious of people who are quiet because it makes my life harder. And I'm even more suspicious when people who I think are more on the chatty side most games are not chatty in the current game. Maybe they are sitting on a role they don't want to reveal, maybe they are others. But without conversation it is hard for me to figure that out.

Good points, even if they are a bit flimsy. I hate the early game. Unless someone, REALLY messes up, it's like shooting with a blindfold on.

Having said that, I have to vote for someone, so I'll go with a guy that pointed me out as not being active, even though I had posted like 10-11 times and I think knows very well that I'm always quiet early on.

Vote Desnudo

[Raiders Army]

Whew. Done. Well, this is an interesting situation.

UNVOTE SPLEEN

Need to think/discuss this further.

[Raiders Army]

Argh. From my view, I think I'm either being used as a pawn by two individuals or I can make a difference in the game to win for the survivors. If I'm right and can trust select players, then I think we can win this thing.

[Alan T]

Updated count as of post 1050 is:

Alan T 3
Raiders 2
Pennywise 1
mckerney 1
kwhit 1
celeval 1
Desmond 1
Desnudo 1

[Raiders Army]

Blade and hoops are in my circle of trust, and by association spleen is in there as well; that is why I unvoted.

[pennywisesb]

At this point I think its important to get a vote out there. I'm going to Vote Desnudo. There isn't awhole lot to go on at this point, but I think Desnudo was caught in a lie and at this point being dishonest is a good enough reason for me to vote for someone.

I'm still suspicious of RA at this point, but I'm not sure there was really an "other" vote on King during day 1, so I'll let him go for today.

I'm also not convinced that Blade is on the level. I'm actually leaning towards him being bad at this point.

[Schmidty]

Blade and hoops are in my circle of trust, and by association spleen is in there as well; that is why I unvoted.

I agree about hoops, but what's your reasoning for Blade and spleen?

[Raiders Army]

At this point I think its important to get a vote out there. I'm going to Vote Desnudo. There isn't awhole lot to go on at this point, but I think Desnudo was caught in a lie and at this point being dishonest is a good enough reason for me to vote for someone.

I'm still suspicious of RA at this point, but I'm not sure there was really an "other" vote on King during day 1, so I'll let him go for today.

I'm also not convinced that Blade is on the level. I'm actually leaning towards him being bad at this point.
How are you suspicious of me? I put the first vote on king, which is very un-wolflike. I could see if I were one of the swing votes, but...

[Raiders Army]

I agree about hoops, but what's your reasoning for Blade and spleen?
Blade was the first to vote. Period. He was the first to say that he was a simple survivor.

The way I see it, Blade could be the game's MVP for survivors since he's very intuitive. He also isn't playing his role like a wolf. We were both wolves in the X-Com game, so I know how he plays. Either he's switched his playing style (which I think is unlikely) or he's a good guy.

[Raiders Army]

Doh. Spleen falls off my radar from certain things he's said in the thread. I think we're more alike than he thinks. Take it for what it's worth.

[pennywisesb]

How are you suspicious of me? I put the first vote on king, which is very un-wolflike. I could see if I were one of the swing votes, but...

The reason why I'm most suspicious of you is because you said you have a larger penis than I do and I know for a fact that you're wrong. I don't like dishonest people. :p

Some people in my circle of trust think there must have been a wolf involved in the king vote. I know I'm not a wolf, I know Mr W was not a wolf, so that leaves you and Blade if their train of thought is correct. I've stated it twice though, that I'm not sure there HAD TO HAVE BEEN a wolf in that vote. But if there was, it'd have to be you or Blade. I'm obviously not suspicious of you enough to cast a vote your way. And I think Blade is pretty fishy, so at this point I'm going to vote for Desnudo and see what happens.

[pennywisesb]

Blade was the first to vote. Period. He was the first to say that he was a simple survivor.


Blade is not a simple survivor though RA, he's supposedly the Black Fog. His coming out and claiming to be a simple villager means nothing.

[Schmidty]

Blade was the first to vote. Period. He was the first to say that he was a simple survivor.

The way I see it, Blade could be the game's MVP for survivors since he's very intuitive. He also isn't playing his role like a wolf. We were both wolves in the X-Com game, so I know how he plays. Either he's switched his playing style (which I think is unlikely) or he's a good guy.

I guess I just don't see it the same way, especially the fact that he "was the first to say that he was a simple survivor". What hell good does that do? Who would say, "Hey, I'm a bad guy!!!!!!11!!"? Also, he's always the first to vote, so that's nothing either.

I'm not saying that he's an other, but your reasoning is a bit weak for my tastes. Just seems wierd that you trust him so much for the reasons you gave.

[Raiders Army]

I guess I just don't see it the same way, especially the fact that he "was the first to say that he was a simple survivor". What hell good does that do? Who would say, "Hey, I'm a bad guy!!!!!!11!!"? Also, he's always the first to vote, so that's nothing either.

I'm not saying that he's an other, but your reasoning is a bit weak for my tastes. Just seems wierd that you trust him so much for the reasons you gave.
Hmmm...the first to say it means it's usually in your description; however, any veteran player knows to say "I'm a simple villager". You make a good point.

[pennywisesb]

Damn, I keep getting survivors mixed up with villagers and "others" mixed up as wolves.

[Alan T]

Damn, I keep getting survivors mixed up with villagers and "others" mixed up as wolves.


I keep doing that too. I don't really know the terminology of this game too well.

[Raiders Army]

The reason why I'm most suspicious of you is because you said you have a larger penis than I do and I know for a fact that you're wrong. I don't like dishonest people. :p
Unfortunately I don't want to be banned/boxed for posting my huge member in this thread. :)

Actually I'm only average at 7 inches. :D

Enough of me. I'm pretty sure you're on the level, which is why I didn't vote for you this morning before I had to begin my hellacious day at work.

[pennywisesb]

Unfortunately I don't want to be banned/boxed for posting my huge member in this thread. :)

Actually I'm only average at 7 inches. :D


Thank god. ;)

[Raiders Army]

Unfortunately I don't want to be banned/boxed for posting my huge member in this thread. :)

Actually I'm only average at 7 inches. :D

Enough of me. I'm pretty sure you're on the level, which is why I didn't vote for you this morning before I had to begin my hellacious day at work.
Damn the editing rules of werewolf. I meant the head is 7 inches. Do you guys count the shaft as well?

[Alan T]

With about 3 hours left, the vote count is:


Alan T 3
Raiders 2
Desnudo 2
Pennywise 1
mckerney 1
kwhit 1
celeval 1
Desmond 1

[Raiders Army]

Alan T, what are you thoughts? Right now I'm waiting to see whom I should vote for, but no one really pops up at me. I'm thinking about Desnudo...

[SnDvls]

That's true and is what leads me to believe that Alan's okay for now - meaning he is above average on my "trust meter". :)

I wouldn't call him trustworthy yet, but there are better choices to vote for tonight, I think.

Maybe Tanglewood, Raiders, or for that matter Packerfan, Desmond, or Bearcat are better choices in my mind just because their neutral or average as far as trust/distrust in concerned.

In fact, I'm going to cast a preliminary vote on one of these guys. This is totally subject to change and I'll be checking in later. But for now:

Vote Desmond

He had a pile on vote on Mr Wednesday yesterday and has been very very quiet.

are you sure this is who you ment? Desmond was vote #4 for Mr. W...you were 5 which moved the tie off of you. Desnudo (notice different person but similar name) was vote #8 that was at the end and a throw away.

[Alan T]

Alan T, what are you thoughts? Right now I'm waiting to see whom I should vote for, but no one really pops up at me. I'm thinking about Desnudo...


You probably don't want to know my thoughts, because it likely will get you upset at me too and you'll also vote for me :)

My thoughts was I started the day with my suspicion list having you, Blade, Hoops, Mckerney on it. As the day progressed I became more suspicious of Kwhit some from some comments I did not understand, but since then have become a little better feeling about him. I also feel a little better about Hoops since the day started.

Even though Blade has a vote on me, I don't think its because he is an other, and I dont think his lies are because he is an other also, I think he is just trying to not die. I think he is just reading me wrong because of some stunts I pulled in a previous game, but even with that Im not going to vote against him just because he is voting me.

So far the two people who havent really done alot to gain more confidence with me from earlier in the day are you and Mckerney, possibly because you two have not been around much.

I also have no idea on the mass number of people who have been either laying low or not even been around, its hard to get a read on someone who isnt even here.

[SnDvls]

You probably don't want to know my thoughts, because it likely will get you upset at me too and you'll also vote for me :)


but he does want to know your thoughts on Desnudo and so do I

[pennywisesb]

are you sure this is who you ment? Desmond was vote #4 for Mr. W...you were 5 which moved the tie off of you. Desnudo (notice different person but similar name) was vote #8 that was at the end and a throw away.

I made a similar mistake earlier.

[Raiders Army]

Okay. Fair enough, but if you had read that I would be out for most of today with an inspection (yes, I do have a job), then you would know that's why I'm quiet.

On a side note, today was a fucking bitch. I had to conduct five interviews and then I'm coordinating another inspection from the Department of the Army for 23-24 FEB that is just peachy (sarcasm intended), so I had to adjust that delicate schedule about 10 times when I came back to work.

Anyhow, interesting that you are suspicious of mckerney, since that's what I would expect of you. I also find it hard to believe that there aren't more people suspicious of me since my postings at times are somewhat...odd. Take it for what it's worth.

mckerney was definitely on my radar as a possible other (wolf), and you were one of those people that I considered to be helpful and a survivor. Interesting.

VOTE MCKERNEY

I have a hard time believing you're a bad guy, Alan.

[Alan T]

but he does want to know your thoughts on Desnudo and so do I

Well Desnudo always comes across as one of the types that I always wonder what he is up to. Right now if I had to guess, I think from the way he has played this game he is either a wolf or a survivor with a pretty important role for our side where he wants to remain low a bit. I think he took some heat from hoops earlier on which led to him making a statement that he -always- votes a certain way. Obviously saying you always do something is a risky thing, since no one always does anything.

Right now my biggest fear with voting for him would be accidentally lynching the seer or bodyguard or duke or whatever. The way he is playing so far, I would almost want to scan him one night before throwing a vote at him just to be safe.

I think worst case scenerio is if we pressure him, we might get some role reveal that enlarges our circles of trust possibly, but day 2 feels really early for an important role reveal.

[Raiders Army]

From what I know, Desnudo in all probability doesn't have an important role as a survivor.

[SnDvls]

Alan I'm starting to buy into your thinking and now I feel I have people on both sides in my own personal circle. You earned the right to have me unvote you.

unvote AlanT

[Desnudo]

At this point I think its important to get a vote out there. I'm going to Vote Desnudo. There isn't awhole lot to go on at this point, but I think Desnudo was caught in a lie and at this point being dishonest is a good enough reason for me to vote for someone.

I'm still suspicious of RA at this point, but I'm not sure there was really an "other" vote on King during day 1, so I'll let him go for today.

I'm also not convinced that Blade is on the level. I'm actually leaning towards him being bad at this point.

I didn't get "caught" in a lie since that implies I tried to mislead from the start. I made a broad statement that I believe is generally backed up by the facts. I am always around at the end of the voting day and try to wait as long as possible before making a final decision. I should never have said I always do something, since no one ever does.

[Desnudo]

Good points, even if they are a bit flimsy. I hate the early game. Unless someone, REALLY messes up, it's like shooting with a blindfold on.

Having said that, I have to vote for someone, so I'll go with a guy that pointed me out as not being active, even though I had posted like 10-11 times and I think knows very well that I'm always quiet early on.

Vote Desnudo

10-11 posts in 22 pages isn't much at all and marks you as one of the least active of the players. No one expects you to go on long posting sprees, but the point of being involved in discussions is that it gives everyone an opportunity to start developing profiles of everyone else.

I have no memory of you being quiet or not early on, although I'm starting to wish I'd pursued that strategy.

[Swaggs]

Alan I'm starting to buy into your thinking and now I feel I have people on both sides in my own personal circle. You earned the right to have me unvote you.

unvote AlanT

This is always a suspicious move to me.

[Raiders Army]

10-11 posts in 22 pages isn't much at all and marks you as one of the least active of the players. No one expects you to go on long posting sprees, but the point of being involved in discussions is that it gives everyone an opportunity to start developing profiles of everyone else.

I have no memory of you being quiet or not early on, although I'm starting to wish I'd pursued that strategy.
He was very quiet early on.

[SnDvls]

This is always a suspicious move to me.


why is that?

[Desnudo]

He was very quiet early on.

I think he was referring to previous games.

[mckerney]

You probably don't want to know my thoughts, because it likely will get you upset at me too and you'll also vote for me :)

My thoughts was I started the day with my suspicion list having you, Blade, Hoops, Mckerney on it. As the day progressed I became more suspicious of Kwhit some from some comments I did not understand, but since then have become a little better feeling about him. I also feel a little better about Hoops since the day started.

Even though Blade has a vote on me, I don't think its because he is an other, and I dont think his lies are because he is an other also, I think he is just trying to not die. I think he is just reading me wrong because of some stunts I pulled in a previous game, but even with that Im not going to vote against him just because he is voting me.

So far the two people who havent really done alot to gain more confidence with me from earlier in the day are you and Mckerney, possibly because you two have not been around much.

I also have no idea on the mass number of people who have been either laying low or not even been around, its hard to get a read on someone who isnt even here.

Not sure what I'd need to do to gain your trust, though as I've said before, even though I'm just a survivor I can't really say I blame you for voting for me. I haven't been around a whole lot to day, and I'm not really sure what to say being I'm still thinking of what to made of Blade's claim that I was a target of assassination by him, but protected, and how it would go with Blade saying this:

Interesting night, Mckerney had me convinced we was going down...i was sure he would be targeted just to screw me over. Hmmmm, maybe he was, but ardent just limits night kills to two people? Or maybe he wasnt and im just paranoid? Or maybe...i dont know what im talking about

Being I know that I have no special role that would protect me from assassination (and maybe it's just me and my inexperience with some of the complex roles, but if what Blade is saying is true, it wouldn't make much sense to me to have a survivor assassin who was incapable of killing one of more of the others).

The posabilities that I see are that Blade did try to assassinate me and one of the special survivors protected me, of he's making it all up, which honestly wouldn't surprise me with as many times as his story has changed.

[SnDvls]

This is always a suspicious move to me.


guess I should say if unvoting is suspicious then your top people from today only are;

me
spleen
hoops
blade
raiders army

as we all unvoted today. each for our own reasons and each still with little or no knowledge of who is who.

[Swaggs]

It just feels like a very contrived move to me. Like you are trying to change momentum.

I don't have any reason to suspect you at this point, but I just do not see a good reason to change a vote to a non-vote other than to alter momentum. Particularly when AlanT is in a virtual tie right now. To me, it feels like you made a throw-away vote, and now that the person you voted for is on the chopping block, you are regretting it.

That said, you can play your game anyway you want. I just know I did a similar thing one time in a previous game, when I was a werewolf, and I got busted for it. So it is a suspicious move to me at this point.

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, was there any post in particular from Alan T that struck a chord with you? I'm not trying to get you to change your vote, just trying to understand why you unvoted at this point. The post where you cast the unvote didn't quite make this clear, at least to me.

[SnDvls]

It just feels like a very contrived move to me. Like you are trying to change momentum.

I don't have any reason to suspect you at this point, but I just do not see a good reason to change a vote to a non-vote other than to alter momentum. Particularly when AlanT is in a virtual tie right now. To me, it feels like you made a throw-away vote, and now that the person you voted for is on the chopping block, you are regretting it.

That said, you can play your game anyway you want. I just know I did a similar thing one time in a previous game, when I was a werewolf, and I got busted for it. So it is a suspicious move to me at this point.


there are 4 players with 2 votes Alan had 3 until I moved off him. I feel that at least 2 of the others haven't voted yet. This forces their hand to make a decision that will determine where I go. It will also clear a survivor. I don't think there really was any momentem on Alan anyhow as the last vote on him was mine on post # 951 and there have been at leat 100 more posts since then with several getting at least 2 votes.

[SnDvls]

SnDvls, was there any post in particular from Alan T that struck a chord with you? I'm not trying to get you to change your vote, just trying to understand why you unvoted at this point. The post where you cast the unvote didn't quite make this clear, at least to me.

not one post, just the overall feel and tone and his actions and sometime inactions. being I was bad the last two games I played (didn't play the most recent one w/ Alan so I can't say I know from that one) I was on the block many times. He didn't act the way a wolf would/should. mabey I'm reading him wrong.

[SnDvls]

dinner time be back latter

[Alan T]

not one post, just the overall feel and tone and his actions and sometime inactions. being I was bad the last two games I played (didn't play the most recent one w/ Alan so I can't say I know from that one) I was on the block many times. He didn't act the way a wolf would/should. mabey I'm reading him wrong.


Hopefully this doesnt put your vote back on me, but I honestly dont really play much differently as a wolf than I do as a villager, thats what gets me in trouble both here and other werewolf games I have played elsewhere. Last game when I was a wolf, I actually took every turn and tried to think what would I do as a villager. I actually have never lived past day 3 in 5 games of playing WW. :)

But at least i hope I do some good for our side in the time I am around.

[mckerney]

Have to go for now and probably won't be back before 9, so

UNVOTE PENNYWISE
VOTE DESNUDO

Call it a hunch

[hoopsguy]

Alan, do you have your voting posts handy? I don't track these while at work and would like to put one together now that I'm home.

[Alan T]

Alan, do you have your voting posts handy? I don't track these while at work and would like to put one together now that I'm home.


You mean this? or something else?

(523) Blade votes pennywise (1)
(576) spleen votes blade (1)
(595) mckerney votes pennywise (2)
(701) hoopsguy votes pennywise (3)
(720) raiders votes spleen (1)
(728) spleen UNVOTES Blade (0)
(728) spleen votes raiders (1)
(730) Alan votes mckerney (1)
(775) Celeval votes kwhit (1)
(788) Saldana votes Celeval (1)
(858) hoops UNVOTES Pennywise (2)
(946) blade UNVOTES pennywise (1)
(946) blade votes Alan T (1)
(951) sndvls votes Alan T (2)
(990) king votes Raiders (2)
(1011) hoops votes Alan T (3)
(1018) kwhit votes Desmond (1)
(1049) schmidty votes Desnudo (1)
(1050) Raiders UNVOTES Spleen (0)
(1054) Pennywise Votes Desnudo (2)
(1074) Raiders votes Mckerney (2)
(1077) Sndvls UNVOTES Alan T (2)
(1092) mckerney UNVOTES pennywise (0)
(1092) mckerney votes Desnudo (3)

[hoopsguy]

That was it. Thanks.

[pennywisesb]

So Desnudo has 3 at this point and so does Alan T. I think we need to get some of the quiet ones in here before the deadline to at least cast some votes....

[pennywisesb]

Well, I'm off of work. I'll try to log back on before the deadline but there aren't any gaurantees.

[Alan T]

Actually I only have 2 now.

Desnudo 3
Alan T 2
Raiders 2
mckerney 2
kwhit 1
celeval 1
Desmond 1

[SnDvls]

Have to go for now and probably won't be back before 9, so

UNVOTE PENNYWISE
VOTE DESNUDO

Call it a hunch

back from dinner.
what gives you the hunch? just wondering because I have the same hunch, but I've got a few reasons too.

[Desmond]

Nobody really stands out to me so far but having to vote, im intrigued by what Blade said about McKerney, that to me is the most concrete piece of info about the game itself and not whats happening on the board which is still leaving me a bit befuddled, so im gonna

Vote Mckerney

[SnDvls]

are you sure this is who you ment? Desmond was vote #4 for Mr. W...you were 5 which moved the tie off of you. Desnudo (notice different person but similar name) was vote #8 that was at the end and a throw away.


should correct myself. I originally though this post was by kingfc22 and not kwhit. so my whole "moved the tie off of you." refers to kingfc22. My bad, but still why Desmond?

[hoopsguy]

OK, here is why SnDvls sticks out a little for me:

#1 Taken from my list on Post #575
14. SnDvls - has come out with knowledge of the show in his posts. I worry a little bit about him doing a rope-a-dope with his "hope Mr. W shows up to defend himself" post when he was down 4-1 and had not logged onto site. That is the type of thing I would do if I was playing an other, then point that I didn't vote for him and stuck up for him when he wasn't around.

#2 Quickly follows Blade onto Alan T (post #946 for Blade, #951 for SnDvls). I suspect Alan T (based on my earlier comments, and vote for him in post #1011), so now someone that I'm also a little suspicious of votes for him in a point where he is putting him at some risk? This doesn't make sense to me ...

#3 SnDvls removes his vote for Alan T in post #1077, pulling Alan out of the lead two hours before deadline.


Now, I know this is me going conspiracy theory ...
1. They are both wolves
2. There is some concern that there is a coalition forming (with me in it) of survivors and that I'm blowing heat at Alan
3. A wolf is always happy to have a vote on a wolf early in the game if it doesn't mean anything
4. But a wolf doesn't want to put a wolf in jeopardy for no reason
5. And it is suicide for a wolf to help another wolf too late in the day
6. So the vote comes off early enough to not draw too much attention

I recognize the odds of this being true are pretty damn thin. But this idea is running rampant in my head right now.

[SnDvls]

OK, here is why SnDvls sticks out a little for me:

#1 Taken from my list on Post #575

#2 Quickly follows Blade onto Alan T (post #946 for Blade, #951 for SnDvls). I suspect Alan T (based on my earlier comments, and vote for him in post #1011), so now someone that I'm also a little suspicious of votes for him in a point where he is putting him at some risk? This doesn't make sense to me ...

#3 SnDvls removes his vote for Alan T in post #1077, pulling Alan out of the lead two hours before deadline.


Now, I know this is me going conspiracy theory ...
1. They are both wolves
2. There is some concern that there is a coalition forming (with me in it) of survivors and that I'm blowing heat at Alan
3. A wolf is always happy to have a vote on a wolf early in the game if it doesn't mean anything
4. But a wolf doesn't want to put a wolf in jeopardy for no reason
5. And it is suicide for a wolf to help another wolf too late in the day
6. So the vote comes off early enough to not draw too much attention

I recognize the odds of this being true are pretty damn thin. But this idea is running rampant in my head right now.

I think I've dropped enough hints at who I am, character wise. I'm not an "other".

[SnDvls]

dola - I should also add. He isn't in the lead, but he's far from out of trouble too. If I was trying to keep him out of trouble I would plead for everyone else to move off him. I just don't feel in my gut, which is what most of us are going on, that today is his day.

[Alan T]

OK, here is why SnDvls sticks out a little for me:

#1 Taken from my list on Post #575

#2 Quickly follows Blade onto Alan T (post #946 for Blade, #951 for SnDvls). I suspect Alan T (based on my earlier comments, and vote for him in post #1011), so now someone that I'm also a little suspicious of votes for him in a point where he is putting him at some risk? This doesn't make sense to me ...

#3 SnDvls removes his vote for Alan T in post #1077, pulling Alan out of the lead two hours before deadline.


Now, I know this is me going conspiracy theory ...
1. They are both wolves
2. There is some concern that there is a coalition forming (with me in it) of survivors and that I'm blowing heat at Alan
3. A wolf is always happy to have a vote on a wolf early in the game if it doesn't mean anything
4. But a wolf doesn't want to put a wolf in jeopardy for no reason
5. And it is suicide for a wolf to help another wolf too late in the day
6. So the vote comes off early enough to not draw too much attention

I recognize the odds of this being true are pretty damn thin. But this idea is running rampant in my head right now.


I don't have any problems if you want to vote for him. Just don't vote for me! :) In all seriousness though, right now the vote today is 3-3-2-2-1-1-1.. I think the wolves are trying to get us go in all kinds of directions, and we are waaaaay spread out right now. TOday's vote looks more like a day 1 vote to me than yesterday's did.

[Desnudo]

back from dinner.
what gives you the hunch? just wondering because I have the same hunch, but I've got a few reasons too.

Let's here them, please.

[SnDvls]

you'll have to bear with me I'm not quite as good as others in doing this.

post # 548 you talk about roles that were heavly discussed on day 1, to me you are trying to get some roles out there to help the others

post # 871 you ask for a summary of penny's guilt/innocence
post #954 you ask again for a summary (to me both wolf moves, you act like you care, but don't quite following along or make it seem that way.

the kicker that still sticks with me was the pile on vote on Mr. W

[SnDvls]

dola - the big thing is you haven't voted yet.

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, offering up hints that you are Sawyer by saying "freckles" doesn't make much sense at all to me. I haven't seen enough episodes by now to construe any kind of in-game advantage that would give you, other than to distract from something else. So I'm not buying the "hints being dropped".

If you are Sawyer, then I would love to follow up with you on this after the game.

[Alan T]

SnDvls, offering up hints that you are Sawyer by saying "freckles" doesn't make much sense at all to me. I haven't seen enough episodes by now to construe any kind of in-game advantage that would give you, other than to distract from something else. So I'm not buying the "hints being dropped".

If you are Sawyer, then I would love to follow up with you on this after the game.


I don't know who Sawyer is or what that would mean. What type of character is Sawyer, and how would that translate to a game like this?

[Desmond]

I don't know who Sawyer is or what that would mean. What type of character is Sawyer, and how would that translate to a game like this?


Sawyer is sort of a tweener, he's with the survivors but he has a bad past and really hasn't moved off of his bad guy tendencies much.

[Celeval]

I don't know who Sawyer is or what that would mean. What type of character is Sawyer, and how would that translate to a game like this?
Sawyer's a con man, but has come through for people from time to time. (Shooting the polar bear, trying to make a move on the Others when they took Walt!) In the last episode, he conned just about everyone on the island into (with Charlie's help) taking control of the guns... he's definately a non-Other, and a player. Could fill any number of the roles in WW as I understand them.

[Swaggs]

My thoughts are that a Sawyer character would make a good hunter (w/ the ability to strike back if attacked) or possibly Duke-type (w/ the ability to switch out--but that is a little more out of character).

[KWhit]

should correct myself. I originally though this post was by kingfc22 and not kwhit. so my whole "moved the tie off of you." refers to kingfc22. My bad, but still why Desmond?
Not much to go on really. He's been extremely inactive and he had a pseudo-bandwagon vote on Mr. W yesterday. I'm probably going to change it since it would be a wasted vote anyway, but I'm not sure which way to go yet.

[Raiders Army]

Desmond is in the thread...what's up with you?

[KWhit]

Blade was the first to vote. Period. He was the first to say that he was a simple survivor.Where did Blade say he was a simple survivor??!?!

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, was just going to post for the people who have the only vote on someone.

Obviously it is close enough where it could turn quickly, but right now the following people have one vote on them:

KWhit (Celeval, post 775)
Celeval (Saldana, post 788)
Desmond (Schmidty, post 1018)

I would hope those people are at least considering their options in terms of voting for someone with 2-3 votes.

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, I don't think he did. He was the first to post that he was a survivor, and he used the word "simple" in a conversation with me at one point, but I never saw the phrase "simple survivor" in any Blade post.

[Raiders Army]

Where did Blade say he was a simple survivor??!?!
Let me check...one sec

[Celeval]

My thoughts are that a Sawyer character would make a good hunter (w/ the ability to strike back if attacked) or possibly Duke-type (w/ the ability to switch out--but that is a little more out of character).
Or, he could be Charlie and Hurley and be nothing at all. :-D

[KWhit]

KWhit, was just going to post for the people who have the only vote on someone.

Obviously it is close enough where it could turn quickly, but right now the following people have one vote on them:

KWhit (Celeval, post 775)
Celeval (Saldana, post 788)
Desmond (Schmidty, post 1018)

I would hope those people are at least considering their options in terms of voting for someone with 2-3 votes.
Yeah, I don't like having a vote on me with the vote counts so low. It may make me put my vote on Desnudo just to distance myself from the chopping block.

[hoopsguy]

I'm about to go *poof* to watch 24, so I'm not going to have much availability over the next hour. If the wife doesn't think I'm a total freak for keeping an eye on this with my laptop downstairs I might go that route ...

[Celeval]

I would hope those people are at least considering their options in terms of voting for someone with 2-3 votes.
I have been. Although at the same time, I don't feel strongly about either of the options at this point. Do we have a fully updated list?

[Raiders Army]

Can't seem to find it, but I could've sworn he said it.

*shrug*

[KWhit]

KWhit, I don't think he did. He was the first to post that he was a survivor, and he used the word "simple" in a conversation with me at one point, but I never saw the phrase "simple survivor" in any Blade post.
I tried to find it but I couldn't. It sounded like Raiders is vouching for Blade by speaking untruths.

[Celeval]

Yeah, I don't like having a vote on me with the vote counts so low. It may make me put my vote on Desnudo just to distance myself from the chopping block.
UNVOTE KWhit

That help? I figure your gameplan is in by now, and we got as much information out of my putting a single vote on you that we could have expected. ;)

[KWhit]

Can't seem to find it, but I could've sworn he said it.

*shrug*
Well, it's important since the whole "trio of trust" at this point is based on it.

[KWhit]

UNVOTE KWhit

That help? I figure your gameplan is in by now, and we got as much information out of my putting a single vote on you that we could have expected. ;)
Ahhhh!!!! Sweet freedom!


:D

[Alan T]

I tried to find it but I couldn't. It sounded like Raiders is vouching for Blade by speaking untruths.


I just searched the thread, and the only times I see the word simple in Blade's posts are either somewhere that he quoted someone else saying it, or he used it in other context such as keeping something simple.

[Raiders Army]

I tried to find it but I couldn't. It sounded like Raiders is vouching for Blade by speaking untruths.
:rolleyes: Well, when I posted that, I had just slammed about four beers because it was a pretty hard day. Excuse me for speaking some untruths.

[Celeval]

Well, it's important since the whole "trio of trust" at this point is based on it.
I thought Blade wasn't in the trio.

[hoopsguy]

I'm showing the following:
McKerney (3) - Alan T (730), Raiders (1074), Desmond (1100)
Desnudo (3) - Schmidty (1049), Pennywise (1054), mckerney (1092)
Raiders (2) - Spleen (728), King (990)
Alan T (2) - Blade (946), Hoopsguy (1011)
Kwhit (1) - Celeval (775)
Celeval (1) - Saldana (788)
Desmond (1) - KWhit (1018)

This is my list as of #1125

[Desmond]

Desmond is in the thread...what's up with you?

In what respect? Right now im just trying to get a grasp on roles and who seems like they could be what and what I could learn from targeting certain guys. I think McKerney could provide some more info if he's targeted for a lynching.

[Alan T]

Updated vote count for people who asked:

Desnudo 3
mckerney 3
Alan T 2
Raiders 2
celeval 1
Desmond 1


ALOT, and I mean alot of people have unvoted or held their votes back, which is making this look like its going to be really a fast finish. Could really go any direction right now (including people who have 0 votes) if a bandwagon starts fast enough.

[Swaggs]

I'm going to jump into the column.

Vote AlanT

[Alan T]

Updated vote count for people who asked:

Desnudo 3
mckerney 3
Alan T 2
Raiders 2
celeval 1
Desmond 1


ALOT, and I mean alot of people have unvoted or held their votes back, which is making this look like its going to be really a fast finish. Could really go any direction right now (including people who have 0 votes) if a bandwagon starts fast enough.


To add to this, unless my math skills stink, I think I cound 7 votes still outstanding with 1 hour to go. Thats a little over 33% left to vote.

[Raiders Army]

In what respect? Right now im just trying to get a grasp on roles and who seems like they could be what and what I could learn from targeting certain guys. I think McKerney could provide some more info if he's targeted for a lynching.
dunno. must be some residue drunk posting.

[SnDvls]

okay going with my gut and putting a deciding vote out there

vote Desnudo

he still hasn't voted. I think he's saving it up to try and trap someone along with at least one of his other buddies. I could be wrong, but I've got too strong a feeling with this.

[KWhit]

:rolleyes: Well, when I posted that, I had just slammed about four beers because it was a pretty hard day. Excuse me for speaking some untruths.
Blade was very very clear in his trust in you - moreso than the group of us vouching for each other. He basically revealed everything to us but never gave us any indication as to why he trusted you. I find that strange. And then you vouch for him stating that he was in fact the first to use the term "simple survivor" which is completely false. And the use of that phrase is the only reason that I, Hoops, and Spleen are semi-trusted at this point. A fact that was stated very clearly by Hoops a few pages ago. I have no idea if I caught you in something, but it is certainly noteworthy.

[Raiders Army]

Just throwing this out there, but RPI-Fan/Packer has been almost non-existent in the thread.

[Celeval]

Hehe... I keep mixing up the 9 CST.

Two questions about WW in general - I've picked up from implications that ties are bad. Is that because we don't know what would happen?

Also, something I've been thinking about - of what use is the Duke role, other than to move the vote off of the Duke himself? Essentially the ability to completely move the target during one day, if the person playing the Duke is convinced of someone's innocence/guilt?

[SnDvls]

dola - looks like I broke a double tie twice with swaggs getting in on AlanT this will really help on where Desnudo puts his vote now.

[KWhit]

I thought Blade wasn't in the trio.
Correct. My point was that the use of the term "simple survivor" (by me incidently) was what created the trust between us. RA saying that it was Blade and not me who actually said it first is odd (especially considering Blade's unexplained trust of RA).

[Alan T]

Hehe... I keep mixing up the 9 CST.

Two questions about WW in general - I've picked up from implications that ties are bad. Is that because we don't know what would happen?

Also, something I've been thinking about - of what use is the Duke role, other than to move the vote off of the Duke himself? Essentially the ability to completely move the target during one day, if the person playing the Duke is convinced of someone's innocence/guilt?


Ties can be good, bad, indifferent, who knows. In some cases a tie could end up with a tiebreaker that might help reveal a fellow villager. In other cases it could end up in no one lynched at all, and you don't learn anything from the day (big advantage for the wolves).. Since I have been lynched 2 games in a row on this forum for advocating a tie or being involved in one, I will in NO way recommend us doing one here lol :)

As for the DUke, usually its to protect themselves from being lynched yes. But it -could- be used if they feel very very confident that someone is being lynched unjustly and is an innocent villager.

[KWhit]

At this point I'm leaning heavily toward voting for Raiders. However, that looks like it might muddy the water and make a tie more likely. Does anyone else have the same concerns that I do about his Blade - simple survivor comments?

[Raiders Army]

At this point I'm leaning heavily toward voting for Raiders. However, that looks like it might muddy the water and make a tie more likely. Does anyone else have the same concerns that I do about his Blade - simple survivor comments?
I don't.

[Alan T]

At this point I'm leaning heavily toward voting for Raiders. However, that looks like it might muddy the water and make a tie more likely. Does anyone else have the same concerns that I do about his Blade - simple survivor comments?


I guess I don't have a problem with you voting for Raiders if that is where your gut lies. Right now out of the 4 people who are most in the lynch race, its myself and 3 people I distrust... so I'm really interested in seeing where this goes. My only concern right now is with so many people holding back votes, this could easily end up in a tie on us.

[KWhit]

I guess I don't have a problem with you voting for Raiders if that is where your gut lies. Right now out of the 4 people who are most in the lynch race, its myself and 3 people I distrust... so I'm really interested in seeing where this goes. My only concern right now is with so many people holding back votes, this could easily end up in a tie on us.
That's what I'm worried about too.

[Alan T]

That's what I'm worried about too.


Its 4-3-3-2-1-1 right now with 5 votes out if I am counting right.. So right now anything is possible. You obviously being one of the 5 outstanding votes.

At this point though I can't give you any reason why to not pick Raiders over the other 3, I'm just hoping however this ends we learn something from who votes a certain way at the end.

[KWhit]

Its 4-3-3-2-1-1 right now with 5 votes out if I am counting right.. So right now anything is possible. You obviously being one of the 5 outstanding votes.

At this point though I can't give you any reason why to not pick Raiders over the other 3, I'm just hoping however this ends we learn something from who votes a certain way at the end.
And actually I'm still on Desmond, so I'm not one of the outstanding votes.

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, I don't think Raiders is an other. Other than that, I have no interest in steering you on this one ... I trust you.

[Alan T]

And actually I'm still on Desmond, so I'm not one of the outstanding votes.


Oh yeah, I knew that.

[saldana]

jesus christ this is a long ass thread if you havent checked in for 7 hours

1. i saw several people comment that i was very quiet in this game, so i refer you to somewhere around 1 o clock this afternoon when i said i would be out until 9pm...i work from 4 pm til 1 am, and can really only check in while on lunch (now). I always post when i am going to be away for any amount of time for just this reason. If i have been more quiet than usual, it is because i dont really have good reads on anyone, and after DM'ing the HP game, i realized how much i could learn by sitting back.
.
2. several people called BS on blade, and i would like to add myself to that cabal. I dont think it is realistic at all for there to be a player with the ability to kill 2 other players at the same time...it would completely unbalance the game, and he has yet to explain why he didnt complete his kill on mckerny...it is my understanding that the black fog on the island does whatever it wants, but Blade wants us to believe that he is the most powerful WW role EVER, but was foiled in his PK attempt by another inexplicably powerful force. that doesnt compute to me in everything i know about WW...i am not sure he is an other, but i definitely think he is full of crap, which leads me to suspect him quite a bit, and mckerney in association

3. i was the one that pegged AlanT last game, and paid for it with my own life (bastard), and unless he really changed his game up, i dont see the same things i saw from him in that game. again, i dont trust or distrust him at this point, just saying that i dont see the same things

4. the run on Desnudo is based on the fact that he "lied" about being a last minute voter, or did i scan through the thread so fast that i missed something? my problem with that is, Blade has admitted he lied to us all twice now, first about not knowing, then knowing alot about the show, then about all his powers...not saying Desnudo is not a bad guy, but i think that kind of a statement is a pretty weak reason to vote for him

5. all that said, i am gonna throw my hat into the "an other had to vote for King" party and unvote celeval and

vote Raiders Army

[saldana]

and even though this got me killed last game

my suspect list:
1. raiders (the 50/50 concept, plus the association with blade)
2. Blade (lots of lies, lots of things i just cant buy into)
3. Desnudo (a lie is a lie, but isnt this entire game based on who the best liars are)

[saldana]

i am out for about 15 minutes to make dinner.

[Raiders Army]

again, I point out that I voted for king because he voted for me. I was the first to vote for him and then others piled on.

[Alan T]

35 minutes to go and as of post 1156, its down to the wire:


Desnudo 4
mckerney 3
Alan T 3
Raiders 3
Desmond 1

[Celeval]

I'm one of the ones still holding back - I still don't have a really good feel, but I'll not vote to force a tie.

[kingfc22]

I'm one of the ones still holding back - I still don't have a really good feel, but I'll not vote to force a tie.Just an FYI. A non-vote by anyone, especially when they have been around all day will come back to bite them in the ass in the long run. Also, it makes it harder for us survivors to find clues from voting patterns later in the game.

[saldana]

Just an FYI. A non-vote by anyone, especially when they have been around all day will come back to bite them in the ass in the long run. Also, it makes it harder for us survivors to find clues from voting patterns later in the game.

isnt one of the unwritten rules of WW that unless you are in the hospital, you had better vote, and thats only if the hospital doesnt have any computers in it.

[Swaggs]

Who still has an outstanding vote?

[Raiders Army]

bearcat and packer for two.

[Alan T]

Who still has an outstanding vote?


Im trying to figure that out myself. I think tanglewood, packersfan, desnudo, bearcat and celeval are the 5.

[Celeval]

Just an FYI. A non-vote by anyone, especially when they have been around all day will come back to bite them in the ass in the long run. Also, it makes it harder for us survivors to find clues from voting patterns later in the game.
Poorly worded on my part. I will vote, but I will not vote into a tie.

Better? :)

[kingfc22]

I have Desnudo, RA, tangle, packer, celeval, and bearcat with no vote.

[Celeval]

Hell, this should break things up a bit.

Vote Desnudo

[hoopsguy]

Wonder if Desnudo is proving a point by voting late? http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/eek.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/tongue.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/confused.gif

[kingfc22]

I have Desnudo, RA, tangle, packer, celeval, and bearcat with no vote.missed raiders vote.

[Alan T]

Im trying to figure that out myself. I think tanglewood, packersfan, desnudo, bearcat and celeval are the 5.

I have seen bearcat in the thread for like an hour (maybe longer), Im guessing trying to catch up on posts from today. Desnudo I am guessing is waiting a bit for self preservation reasons. Celeval posted what he is trying to figure out. Packerfan and tanglewood I dont think I have seen in here for a bit. Packersfan was in the thread earlier today wasn't he? just no vote.

[saldana]

again, I point out that I voted for king because he voted for me. I was the first to vote for him and then others piled on.
then why didnt you take yours off when he took his off you?

[Bearcat729]

The only problem I see is that I don't seem to believe that any of the leading vote getters are others just yet. I keep reading and cases are made, but only one person raises a big enough red flag based on past experience that I feel right voting for. So I

Vote Blade

Like I said the story seems a little far fetched right now. Maybe he expanded on his actual role to make himself to look more important to save his skin, but it seems to me that there is something else there.

[Desnudo]

you'll have to bear with me I'm not quite as good as others in doing this.

post # 548 you talk about roles that were heavly discussed on day 1, to me you are trying to get some roles out there to help the others

post # 871 you ask for a summary of penny's guilt/innocence
post #954 you ask again for a summary (to me both wolf moves, you act like you care, but don't quite following along or make it seem that way.

the kicker that still sticks with me was the pile on vote on Mr. W

I think they were both valid questions. I want to understand people's thought processes, which is why I ask people to explain things.

The pile on vote for Mr. W. was not a pile on vote. It was a vote to ensure we didn't have a tie. I'm voting King if I don't vote W, which means that one switch and we are tied (7-5 if I vote King). I don't understand why this vote is considered a pile on.

[hoopsguy]

I'm hoping that AE will look for another alternate with Tanglewood missing 2x (assuming heisn't in at the last minute to vote).

[kingfc22]

Vote Blade Interesting choice.

[saldana]

The only problem I see is that I don't seem to believe that any of the leading vote getters are others just yet. I keep reading and cases are made, but only one person raises a big enough red flag based on past experience that I feel right voting for. So I

Vote Blade

Like I said the story seems a little far fetched right now. Maybe he expanded on his actual role to make himself to look more important to save his skin, but it seems to me that there is something else there.

Bearcat, i am not tryint to tell you how to vote, but that is what we call a throwaway, and really doesnt help anything, including our being able to figure out if you are a good guy or not...i would have loved to vote blade too, but there is no point to it at this point in the voting.

[Desnudo]

Wonder if Desnudo is proving a point by voting late? http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/eek.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/tongue.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/confused.gif

No, but I'm certainly not going to vote until I determine if I can save myself or not. It appears to be not. My role is a minor one anyway, so it doesn't really matter to the survivors if I live or die. Hopefully there will at least be some usuable information from it.

[Alan T]

15 min to go


Desnudo 5
mckerney 3
Alan T 3
Raiders 3
Desmond 1
Blade 1

[Raiders Army]

then why didnt you take yours off when he took his off you?
Several reasons why.

1. First and foremost, at the time Wednesday's neck was in the noose. I didn't think that was right, since he hadn't even logged onto FOFC in almost 24 hours and didn't know the game had begun. There were votes for king, so I felt like that was the best way to save someone. I believed that if there was even a chance he was the seer, we shouldn't lynch him. At least king could defend himself if he was the seer.

2. You have to vote for someone right? I also wanted to see what would happen. The votes piled on rather quickly, and then the shift went to Wednesday, which was equally as troublesome. So I left my vote as is.

[Desnudo]

Vote Mckerney

Call it a hunch. At least you can offer up more than that when you're voting.

[Bearcat729]

Interesting choice.


I've been thinking about it for quite a while and right now he is the only one I feel safe voting for. I've seen cases made about people(I toyed with the idea of voting for SnDvls, but it just didn't seem to feel right at this time.), but in the end my gut(Based on what I saw in the other game of werewolf I played) said there was more to the story blade has created.

[Raiders Army]

dola, actually that was only a couple in number but there were several within the couple.

[saldana]

Several reasons why.

1. First and foremost, at the time Wednesday's neck was in the noose. I didn't think that was right, since he hadn't even logged onto FOFC in almost 24 hours and didn't know the game had begun. There were votes for king, so I felt like that was the best way to save someone. I believed that if there was even a chance he was the seer, we shouldn't lynch him. At least king could defend himself if he was the seer.

2. You have to vote for someone right? I also wanted to see what would happen. The votes piled on rather quickly, and then the shift went to Wednesday, which was equally as troublesome. So I left my vote as is.

Ok raiders, i havent seen much from you that made me think you are a bad guy in this game, but like i said before, other than blade i really dont have a lot to go on. but because you actually have a defense other than "i am a good guy", and i agree entirely with your point #1, i will give you the benefit of the doubt right now.

unvote RA
vote Mckerney (tied for 3 on my list with desnudo, who i really think is getting a shitty deal here for what really amounts to a syntax error, imo)

[KWhit]

Unvote Desmond

Vote Raiders Army

I thnk his inaccurate account of Blade's "simple survivor" comment is very suspicious.

[Raiders Army]

I'm out until tomorrow morning. My last thoughts are that I think Desnudo is a pretty intelligent person; he could be a great asset to the game if he's a survivor, but I think he could play us if he's an other. I also strongly suspect mckerney since he was pretty much the deciding vote last night. I don't get how he hasn't gotten more heat for that.

[kingfc22]

Looks like everyone is suspicious of everyone else.

So far the only person that I have a better than average trust level is spleen.

[kingfc22]

My last comment was in reference to the back-to-back vote switches.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, is there a relationship that you think is there between Blade and mckerney, since Blade indicated that he tried (and failed) to assassinate him last night? Are you calling BS on Blade through this vote?

Do you have some other reason for voting for him? Or just think that Desnudo is a survivor, so taking the option that allows you to possibly save him?

[Swaggs]

Five minutes!

[saldana]

Saldana, is there a relationship that you think is there between Blade and mckerney, since Blade indicated that he tried (and failed) to assassinate him last night? Are you calling BS on Blade through this vote?

Do you have some other reason for voting for him? Or just think that Desnudo is a survivor, so taking the option that allows you to possibly save him?

part of both, i am not sold on Desnudo, and i am calling bs on blade, if he is SOOOOOO powerful, how was he stopped...i think blade is an other and Mckerney is too, and blade is using this entire "i was stopped by another power" to try and clear one of his wolf pack mates.

[Celeval]

Does that leave McKerney as the guy?

[kingfc22]

Bearcat - You got a chance to be the hero. Do you have any feeling what so ever on either Mckerney or Desnudo?

[SnDvls]

interesting that two people hit mckerney to take the lead knowing he won't be back.

[saldana]

dola, because not for nothing, why in the world would the bodyguard protect mckerney last night?!!

[pennywisesb]

At this point I'm leaning heavily toward voting for Raiders. However, that looks like it might muddy the water and make a tie more likely. Does anyone else have the same concerns that I do about his Blade - simple survivor comments?

I definately have the same concerns. I've been alittle suspicious of him earlier, but didn't really have anything solid, other than Blade continuing to vouch for him for no apparently reason. I'm still not positive Blade is bad though, and my gut is telling me to stick with Desnudo at this point. Hopefully my gut is right.

[Alan T]

posting for a time check to see if its 9 CST forum time.

[kingfc22]

dola, because not for nothing, why in the world would the bodyguard protect mckerney last night?!!Interesting point. I know if I was the bodyguard, I would have protected Hoops or Blade since they are always an early target.

[hoopsguy]

I think it is more likely that he was blessed than protected if Blade is telling the truth. I'll go back to look at his story again after these results.

[Alan T]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but i have the vote as:


Desnudo 5
mckerney 5
Raiders 3
Alan T 3
Blade 1


For today with time up?

[Celeval]

Didn't necessarily have to be the bodyguard protecting mckerney - if we're in the Lost theme, then it's possible that Eko and Locke are both immune to the black smoke.

[kingfc22]

Doh! I lost track of the vote count. Anybody have the total?

[kingfc22]

Tanglewood missed another vote :(

[Desnudo]

I think it was a tie between me and McKerney.

[kingfc22]

And Packer didn't vote. :(

[Celeval]

Damnit. See, shouldn't have voted. :mad:

[pennywisesb]

What is the rule for a tie vote?

[pennywisesb]

Shoot, if no one gets lynched we just wasted a survivors life tonight.

[hoopsguy]

Not published, but looks like we will find out.

[Alan T]

What is the rule for a tie vote?


Its different game to game. As far as I know this game has hidden rules so we are not sure what will happen. There might be a hidden role from a survivor that breaks the tie, ties might be handled a different way (both die), or it might end up with no one dying.

[pennywisesb]

Ok, time for some poker. I'll be back on later tonight to see what happens.

[hoopsguy]

Penny, that is obviously the "glass-is-half-empty" view.

Glass is half-full = no survivor lost, we didn't kill a seer or other important role for the others, and hope we get lucky tonight

Glass is empty = others convert the seer tonight, who was someone that had established trust

And there are obviously a ton of other scenarios, but for now it is back to "Wait" mode.

[Alan T]

Penny, that is obviously the "glass-is-half-empty" view.

Glass is half-full = no survivor lost, we didn't kill a seer or other important role for the others, and hope we get lucky tonight

Glass is empty = others convert the seer tonight, who was someone that had established trust

And there are obviously a ton of other scenarios, but for now it is back to "Wait" mode.


I think in a case where it ends up a dead-end vote with nothing happens it means one more of us dies tonight, and we still have not much more to go on than we did today.. I'm hoping something happens from this which at least gives us direction.

[Schmidty]

Who was it that forced the tie? I could look, but I'm feeling lazy. :D

[Alan T]

Who was it that forced the tie? I could look, but I'm feeling lazy. :D


Today's votes:

(523) Blade votes pennywise (1)
(576) spleen votes blade (1)
(595) mckerney votes pennywise (2)
(701) hoopsguy votes pennywise (3)
(720) raiders votes spleen (1)
(728) spleen UNVOTES Blade (0)
(728) spleen votes raiders (1)
(730) Alan votes mckerney (1)
(775) Celeval votes kwhit (1)
(788) Saldana votes Celeval (1)
(858) hoops UNVOTES Pennywise (2)
(946) blade UNVOTES pennywise (1)
(946) blade votes Alan T (1)
(951) sndvls votes Alan T (2)
(990) king votes Raiders (2)
(1011) hoops votes Alan T (3)
(1018) kwhit votes Desmond (1)
(1049) schmidty votes Desnudo (1)
(1050) Raiders UNVOTES Spleen (0)
(1054) Pennywise Votes Desnudo (2)
(1074) Raiders votes Mckerney (2)
(1077) Sndvls UNVOTES Alan T (2)
(1092) mckerney UNVOTES pennywise (0)
(1092) mckerney votes Desnudo (3)
(1100) Desmond votes Mckerney (3)
(1126) Celeval UNVOTES Kwhit (0)
(1135) Swaggs votes Alan T (3)
(1138) Sndvls votes Desnudo (4)
(1153) saldana UNVOTES Celeval (0)
(1153) Saldana votes Raiders Army (3)
(1166) celeval votes Desnudo (5)
(1171) Bearcat votes Blade (1)
(1179) Desnudo votes mckerney (4)
(1182) Saldana UNVOTES Raiders Army (2)
(1182) Saldana votes mckerney (5)
(1183) Kwhit UNVOTES Desmond (0)
(1183) Kwhit votes Raiders Army (3)

[saldana]

i did, and i hated doing it, but please see my answer to hoops for my reasoning.

[KWhit]

Who was it that forced the tie? I could look, but I'm feeling lazy. :D
I was the last to vote, and I voted for Raiders. But I had very clear reasons and there were so many votes still outstanding that I thought for sure I wouldn't be the last.

[KWhit]

And I posted my vote at the exact same time Saldana posted his (so I didn't realize there was I tie when I made my vote).

[Alan T]

Ardent's probably going to make us wait just to punish us for giving him this mess of a vote to deal with!

[hoopsguy]

Why? Only 700 or so posts from the first vote to the deadline.

[KWhit]

Things got awfully quiet in this thread all of a sudden.

[kingfc22]

Things got awfully quiet in this thread all of a sudden.Well, not much any of us can say until we see what happens.

[KWhit]

Well, not much any of us can say until we see what happens.
I know.

Just bored.

[Alan T]

I think the others got Ardent while we wernt looking :(

[kingfc22]

I think the others got Ardent while we wernt looking :(AE!!!!!

[kingfc22]

dola, just noticed I went over 5000 posts today. :D

[mckerney]

What is the rule for a tie vote?

Well, If we're believe Blade's story, I escaped death last night, lets see if I can do it again. Personally I'm still not sure if he's telling the truth, even though his claims in part lead to me being one of the top vote getters, after gunning for me in day one and apparently trying to kill me in night one. With as many times as he changed his story I don't see why it's so easy to believe.

[Brillig]

One of you needs to die for my entertainment!

::popcorn::

[kingfc22]

One of you needs to die for my entertainment!

::popcorn::lol

[hoopsguy]

I nominate TazFTW http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/wink.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/eek.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/confused.gif

[saldana]

my entire game is off without Dubb to vote for every day

[Poli]

I'm hoping that AE will look for another alternate with Tanglewood missing 2x (assuming heisn't in at the last minute to vote).
Path12 will be taking Tanglewood's spot. Tanglewood asked me today for a replacement as his timing and free time does not fit well with the game.

Path12 will be taking over as of now.

[Alan T]

Path12 will be taking Tanglewood's spot. Tanglewood asked me today for a replacement as his timing and free time does not fit well with the game.

Path12 will be taking over as of now.


welcome aboard path!, and glad to know the others didnt get you Ardent! :)

[kingfc22]

hmmm, AE left.

[hoopsguy]

Probably verifying the vote count and working on the lynch post.

[spleen1015]

Man. You guys posted a lot while I was gone. A lot of interesting things happened while I was away. I'll have to go back 3 pages and read it all again just to digest it.

[Swaggs]

This is quite a dramatic pause, AE.

Well done. :)

[Blade6119]

Packerfanatic has assumed RPI's spot.
I was more implying for my spot. But since now path is in for tangle thats not an option...

[spleen1015]

I was more implying for my spot. But since now path is in for tangle thats not an option...

I am enjoying playing with you. If you leave now, it will ruin the game, IMO. I would like it if you stayed.

[Blade6119]

I am enjoying playing with you. If you leave now, it will ruin the game, IMO. I would like it if you stayed.
I appreciate that spleen. Its just tough when NOBODY believes me really. Not about my role, not about my night one actions, not even about alan. if i die by night actions and alan does not die in it, bee line for him and you might win it. (those arent the reasons im thinking of stepping down, just making sure its out there)

[spleen1015]

I appreciate that spleen. Its just tough when NOBODY believes me really. Not about my role, not about my night one actions, not even about alan. if i die by night actions and alan does not die in it, bee line for him and you might win it. (those arent the reasons im thinking of stepping down, just making sure its out there)

This is my first go, so I don't know what the other games have been like. It seems they don't believe you because of the way things have worked previously.

I believe you. That is why I unvoted for you. I'm not totally trusting you yet, but that could happen if things continue like they are.

I really think the survivors stand a good chance at winning this one if we trust the right people and play together.

[spleen1015]

Dola, I tink we're closer to finding wolves than people think. My that is my inexperience talking, but I think we're close to finding some of them if not all of them.

[spleen1015]

Double dola, I am going to bed. See you guys in the morning :) Hopefully we know what's going on by then.

[Blade6119]

I guess I don't have a problem with you voting for Raiders if that is where your gut lies
Its post like this that make me quite sure

[hoopsguy]

Blade - if people don't 100% believe you perhaps it is because you have spun your story a couple of different ways?

There are a lot of ways to play the hand that you are dealt in each of these games. You play a certain way, that is often very effective, that is going to generate more buzz than other players. It is a little weird to then complain about the results of that playing style.

Let's see together how this one plays out ... I think it has been a very fun game so far, even if I'm not always seeing the results that I'm looking for on votes, lynches, players, whatever. But I don't think I've played in one game yet where that has happened.

[Alan T]

I appreciate that spleen. Its just tough when NOBODY believes me really. Not about my role, not about my night one actions, not even about alan. if i die by night actions and alan does not die in it, bee line for him and you might win it. (those arent the reasons im thinking of stepping down, just making sure its out there)


Blade I wouldnt take it that way, I think you add alot to this game, and I really enjoy playing these with you. Ive not had things go the way I wanted in these yet in any game Ive played in yet. I think its partially the way you play the game in a somewhat crazy put it all out there way that makes people sometimes hesitant to blindly believe you. The same way that my play style every game seems to get me killed by day 3.

Just because I think you might be hiding things to protect your interests whatever they may be, doesnt mean Im not enjoying being in games with you. I hope you recobsider :)

[hoopsguy]

Blade, what are your thoughts on my Alan T/SnDvls association? Big reach or make sense?

[Alan T]

Its post like this that make me quite sure


I dont understand what bothered you about that post of mind if I can ask. I wont take any offense, just saying what I felt at the time.

[Blade6119]

Blade - if people don't 100% believe you perhaps it is because you have spun your story a couple of different ways?

There are a lot of ways to play the hand that you are dealt in each of these games. You play a certain way, that is often very effective, that is going to generate more buzz than other players. It is a little weird to then complain about the results of that playing style.

Let's see together how this one plays out ... I think it has been a very fun game so far, even if I'm not always seeing the results that I'm looking for on votes, lynches, players, whatever. But I don't think I've played in one game yet where that has happened.
Blade I wouldnt take it that way, I think you add alot to this game, and I really enjoy playing these with you. Ive not had things go the way I wanted in these yet in any game Ive played in yet. I think its partially the way you play the game in a somewhat crazy put it all out there way that makes people sometimes hesitant to blindly believe you. The same way that my play style every game seems to get me killed by day 3.

Just because I think you might be hiding things to protect your interests whatever they may be, doesnt mean Im not enjoying being in games with you. I hope you recobsider :)
I appreciate that...ill try to stick this out. Today just wasnt much fun for me, and i usually have fun even if im going down and none one cares. Maybe my interest will pick back up after this lynch and night action. I love playing with both of you two, your both great players who i respect heavily. I hope im wrong about you alan, but everything i see points to you...sorry buddy...id love to be wrong though

[Blade6119]

I dont understand what bothered you about that post of mind if I can ask. I wont take any offense, just saying what I felt at the time.
My circle of trust(outside of the whole allegience thing) reads raiders, and just raiders...that makes the comment as wolf-like as they get

[Blade6119]

Blade, what are your thoughts on my Alan T/SnDvls association? Big reach or make sense?
What post # might i ask? I like the first half of that assosciation, and dont have any feelings on sun yet

[Alan T]

Well my ex-wife tought me two very important things for me to keep in mind in WW games..

1) Sometimes you cant get everyone to agree with you or acknowledge you are right
2) Sometimes those that you trust the most are out to lynch you..

lol :)