Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[SnDvls]

Well it looks like we might get jack squat out of todays vote results (well played others, I should have held off on my reveal), but we'll know I'm good and that's at least two confirmed survivors.

[SnDvls]

Am I the only one who thinks it sets a bad precedent to move deadlines up?

Even if things looked locked now, things can always change.


At this point I don't think anyone is going to chage for 2 reasons.

1) they would draw instant attention and accusations tomorrow as being an other.
2) the others are going to leave their votes on me as today's voting results will provide no details, unless everyone just jumps off me and/or alen and picks someone else. (this ain't going to happen)

[Blade6119]

Well it looks like we might get jack squat out of todays vote results
Why wouldnt we? You would be cleared, and alan dead(wolf or good)...that should give us a trail to follow

[SnDvls]

Why wouldnt we? You would be cleared, and alan dead(wolf or good)...that should give us a trail to follow


I mean with who's voting who. I know I'll be cleared, but it would have been nice to see who pick Alan or I to really sort everyone else out.

[Blade6119]

I mean with who's voting who. I know I'll be cleared, but it would have been nice to see who pick Alan or I to really sort everyone else out.
I dont think today is about voting patterns...today is all about alan/desnudo/king vs you/me....basically...

[SnDvls]

I dont think today is about voting patterns...today is all about alan/desnudo/king vs you/me....basically...


it is now, but originally I wanted it to be about both and that is why I gave the big bolded statement about both Alan & I and to vote for one of us and only one of us.

[SnDvls]

Blade - do you feel the tie breaker person (Desmond) is a survivor. I do

[SnDvls]

AE I'm okay with an early end to today if needed.

[Swaggs]

Blade - do you feel the tie breaker person (Desmond) is a survivor. I do

I know this isn't directed to me, but I feel like he would fit the role of Sayid pretty well, in that he appears to be lawful, but also willing to be violent if necessary. So I would strongly lean towards clearing Desmond for now.

[SnDvls]

only 50 more post to 1000! Woo Hoo!!!

sorry had to get that in there.

[Blade6119]

Blade - do you feel the tie breaker person (Desmond) is a survivor. I do
See, heres my problem with all of this...i thought he was the duke...he said he did not know he was the tie-breaker until it happened...so i took it to mean he was the duke, and in this game duke breaks ties(has happened before)...that why you claiming duke threw me for a loop...but either way i think he was clean...the other thing that worries me was hoops neck was snapped, not his neck slashed...mr. w's neck was snapped, gramat has his throat cut if i remember correctly. Which might mean hoops was killed by a friendly last night and the wolves hit a convert

[KWhit]

Blade - do you feel the tie breaker person (Desmond) is a survivor. I do
I'm not Blade, but I want to chime in here - I think he probably is a good guy. I personally haven't seen a bad guy tie-breaker role (unless the tie-breaker is just who voted last). I think if the tie-breaker role was a bad guy it would make the wolves too powerful.

However, AE's writeup said that the gun went missing after he used it which makes me think that the tie-breaker may now be in the hands of someone else.

[Poli]

I'm against moving the deadline up. You should have the ability to change your mind. Two games ago, Mr. Wednesday and path12 changed their votes in the last minute, and it was a big swing in the game, albeit for me and my fellow death eaters.

I will consider it IF everyone has voted, and agrees that their vote is their "Final Answer". Otherwise, I'm inclined to let the day time out. I doubt we get such an agreement this early in the game...perhaps if/when there are just a few players left.

I'm always willing to listen to arguments for ending early.

[Desnudo]

Sndvls, kill alan...i fully expect to be attacked tonight while i go after desnudo or king, so on the chance i do die everybody knows exactly where to go. I wont say which one im going to attack, as i dont want them to be ready for it. But im confident i will kill an other

Blade, I would be very dissapointed if you didn't come after me tonight. It would be very anti-climatic.

[Desnudo]

I'm all for moving the deadline up, but I understand the reasons for not doing so.

[SnDvls]

I'm not Blade, but I want to chime in here - I think he probably is a good guy. I personally haven't seen a bad guy tie-breaker role (unless the tie-breaker is just who voted last). I think if the tie-breaker role was a bad guy it would make the wolves too powerful.

However, AE's writeup said that the gun went missing after he used it which makes me think that the tie-breaker may now be in the hands of someone else.

interesting theory. So Desmond is/was good and he was the tie breaker, but it could have passed on to another and probally a, as most are using it, simple survivor.

[Swaggs]

I guess if the folks whose heads appear to be most on the chopping block do not mind, I am good with whatever.

[Desmond]

im good with ending early too.

[SnDvls]

I'm against moving the deadline up. You should have the ability to change your mind. Two games ago, Mr. Wednesday and path12 changed their votes in the last minute, and it was a big swing in the game, albeit for me and my fellow death eaters.

I will consider it IF everyone has voted, and agrees that their vote is their "Final Answer". Otherwise, I'm inclined to let the day time out. I doubt we get such an agreement this early in the game...perhaps if/when there are just a few players left.

I'm always willing to listen to arguments for ending early.

I say end early only because we had a longer night the other day which seemed to benefit the others and this will benefit the survivors. I vote to end the day.

[pennywisesb]

I wouldn't mind moving the deadline up. Usually I wouldn't really be for it, but due to the circumstances of everyone pretty much voting SnDvls, I'd be for it. At least then we could get some new discussion going.

[SnDvls]

dola - since it seems the others also had a hard time picking who to kill last time this will give them ample time to pick one of us. :D

[SnDvls]

really we get no information out of today's voting and if you see my reasons in post #1750 I don't think anyone will be moving their vote anyhow.

[KWhit]

I'm fine with moving the deadline up.

[Alan T]

I don't care what we do for the deadline. I'm very interested in seeing what plays out from this lynch though. :) We're going to catch someone here, in my mind either Sndvls or Celeval, along with Desnudo thats probably 2 of the 3 or 4 wolves out there. Not bad for 1 day. Even if it means I have to die to help this happen

[path12]

I'm against moving the deadline up. You should have the ability to change your mind. Two games ago, Mr. Wednesday and path12 changed their votes in the last minute, and it was a big swing in the game, albeit for me and my fellow death eaters.

I will consider it IF everyone has voted, and agrees that their vote is their "Final Answer". Otherwise, I'm inclined to let the day time out. I doubt we get such an agreement this early in the game...perhaps if/when there are just a few players left.

I'm always willing to listen to arguments for ending early.

I'm fine with ending early -- I promise I'm not changing this time. :D

[kingfc22]

I'm good with moving up the deadline early.

[spleen1015]

I have nop issues with moving up the deadline. I think we're ready for the next phase of the game.

[Raiders Army]

I'm against moving the deadline up. You should have the ability to change your mind. Two games ago, Mr. Wednesday and path12 changed their votes in the last minute, and it was a big swing in the game, albeit for me and my fellow death eaters.

I will consider it IF everyone has voted, and agrees that their vote is their "Final Answer". Otherwise, I'm inclined to let the day time out. I doubt we get such an agreement this early in the game...perhaps if/when there are just a few players left.

I'm always willing to listen to arguments for ending early.
End early. Lost comes on at 9 EST.

[Blade6119]

Well, looks like everyone agrees with me to end early...if sun is bad i know where to go tonight as well

[Alan T]

Well, looks like everyone agrees with me to end early...if sun is bad i know where to go tonight as well

I didnt have a problem with your hunches that you listed for tonight. I'm hoping this time tommorrow we'll have a very clear list of people we can trust and people we arent sure of.

[Blade6119]

If sun is not the duke and is bad, desmond dies tonight...if you die, good or bad desnudo or king will go

[Desmond]

If sun is not the duke and is bad, desmond dies tonight...if you die, good or bad desnudo or king will go

Why the key on me all of the sudden? Not that I have to worry because while I don't know much about the Duke role, im pretty certain that Sun is a good guy.

[Bearcat729]

I have no problem with ending the day early.

[PackerFanatic]

Yeah, let's end it.

[Poli]

All right. You guys asked for it.

[Alan T]

All right. You guys asked for it.

ut oh, why does this sound bad to me? lol

[Poli]

The third day on the island is a heated debate between two of the men on the island. Once again, blows are exchanged, and once again the fight has to be broken up. It's clear that the tension is getting to everyone.

"I swear I know that guy's one of them!" yells Sndvls. I won't spend another day on this island with him!

Alan T just stands and watches Sndvls walk away.

A few hours later, a vote takes place, and it's clear that the survivors actually believe Alan T over Sndvls. In fact, EVERY SINGLE PERSON wants Sndvls put in the cell.

By the end of the day, everyone is ready to vote who to put in the cell. Everyone but Sndvls, that is. Someone finally brings him in.

"Don't know what the fuss is all about," Sndvls snarls as he arrives, "it's not like you needed me."

"All in favor of Sndvls?" Alan T's says as his hand shoots in the air. He looks in horror as his is the ONLY hand up. Sndvls let's off a smirk.

"Well ain't that a shame? Wonder how many of us think you're the guilty guy, Alan T?" One by one, everyone raises their hand. Finally two of the bigger men in the camp carry Alan T off and throw him in the jail cell.

Alan T screams and fights, but eventually lands in the cell. Sndvls throws him down a banana.

End Day 3. Begin Night 3.

[PackerFanatic]

Well, that is quite interesting indeed...

[Raiders Army]

Well, I think we can conclude that SnDvls is the duke.

[SnDvls]

well thanks everyone. now let's kill some others

[Celeval]

Hm. Interesting.

Well, we know about Sundvls. Apologies, trust, and the like.

Basically my day 3 move was going to decide between these two people on which I believed, and go hardcore for them. I think since the other person has been a bit less suspicious to me, and more subtle I believed them more than Sndvls. I honestly think he is bluffing, and if he isnt, well i deserve to die for making everyone waste a day.
I think it's safe to say that you'd be in no better position if you chose the other direction.

[saldana]

well shit. we now know for certain that sun is the duke, but we dont know crap about if Alan is an other or not. am i the only one that is utterly confused in this game?

[SnDvls]

well since he is only in "jail" now I suggest he starts talking on he's ideas and theories.

[SnDvls]

dola - it will at least let us know his thoughts before dies and is proven to be good or bad.

[Alan T]

well since he is only in "jail" now I suggest he starts talking on he's ideas and theories.

I sent a pm to ardent asking what I can do. I'm not sure if I can still give input or what. Let me hear back what he says I can do before I continue. Either way, if I'm dead has been fun (but confusing) so far! I'll be watching to see how it goes :)

[SnDvls]

well since he is only in "jail" now I suggest he starts talking on he's ideas and theories.

dola - it will at least let us know his thoughts before dies and is proven to be good or bad.


pardon my bad spelling and grammer. :D

[Desnudo]

I've actually never been so excited for a night action before.

[Swaggs]

Still inconclusive on Alan as far as I can tell.

SnDvls seems alright. Tonight could be very good or very bad.

[PackerFanatic]

They took my boy!!!

I think the night action might help us decide whether or not we can trust Alan.

[Swaggs]

Is the banana a Lost reference that I don't get?

[Celeval]

They took my boy!!!

I think the night action might help us decide whether or not we can trust Alan.
Except that he may not survive - the last night action with a guy in jail, he was killed.

[mckerney]

Is the banana a Lost reference that I don't get?

When Ana Lucia dug a prision for someone she thought was an other she got angry when she found someone had given him a bannana while in the prision.

[Desmond]

So we still don't know who is what?

[Swaggs]

So we still don't know who is what?

I think we can say that SnDvls was telling the truth and had a duke-like role.

Not sure what to think about Alan at this point. The disturbing thing is that, if this game is true to the spirit of Lost, there will be no real reveal upon death, since the survivors and others are both humans.

In hindsight, it makes me think that the Hurley character's special ability may have been in compiling the flight manifesto, so that he could build a list of who was on the flight. :(

[Celeval]

The disturbing thing is that, if this game is true to the spirit of Lost, there will be no real reveal upon death, since the survivors and others are both humans.
If that's the case, we could have gotten one in hoops, as he was the first who wasn't directly tie-able to a Lost tv role.

[SnDvls]

I'm actually starting to understand a little how Blade feels sometimes. I was going to put my spreadsheet from last game together, but honestly, I'm feeling selfish right now. In that right now I don't really care if the survivors win if I die before the game ends.

still waiting on this??

[path12]

I think we can say that SnDvls was telling the truth and had a duke-like role.

Not sure what to think about Alan at this point. The disturbing thing is that, if this game is true to the spirit of Lost, there will be no real reveal upon death, since the survivors and others are both humans.

In hindsight, it makes me think that the Hurley character's special ability may have been in compiling the flight manifesto, so that he could build a list of who was on the flight. :(

Who had the Hurley role? I went back towards the beginning, but I'm not seeing anything.

[Desnudo]

still waiting on this??

I thought you didn't want to hear any more from me? Sorry if I don't hop to it right away. You were perfect for Sawyer. :p

[Celeval]

Who had the Hurley role? I went back towards the beginning, but I'm not seeing anything.
Grammaticus, killed Night 1.

[Swaggs]

Grammaticus, killed Night 1.

Yeah. The lottery ticket pretty much indicates that Gramm was the Hurley character.

[Swaggs]

If that's the case, we could have gotten one in hoops, as he was the first who wasn't directly tie-able to a Lost tv role.

I guess that is possible, although some of the guys seem pretty certain that he was a simple villager. Does anyone out there have any type of special ability of note that can confirm or deny this?

[Celeval]

I guess that is possible, although some of the guys seem pretty certain that he was a simple villager. Does anyone out there have any type of special ability of note that can confirm or deny this?
Not worth it on a dead guy... let's focus any specials we've got left (since we're losing them left and right) on the open questions. If a known wolf is killed, that should tell us.

[Swaggs]

Not worth it on a dead guy... let's focus any specials we've got left (since we're losing them left and right) on the open questions. If a known wolf is killed, that should tell us.

True enough.

Hopefully Blade can come through for us tonight.

And, also, hopefully the others will be revealed upon death. :)

[SnDvls]

I thought you didn't want to hear any more from me? Sorry if I don't hop to it right away. You were perfect for Sawyer. :p


never said I didn't want to hear anymore from you just on the one question. I know Path had said he wanted the info and you said you'd post it, just wondering what the hold up was? Thanks for the compliment...I think. ;)

[Desnudo]

never said I didn't want to hear anymore from you just on the one question. I know Path had said he wanted the info and you said you'd post it, just wondering what the hold up was? Thanks for the compliment...I think. ;)

The hold up was I completely forgot about saying I'd make it to Path. Sorry Path. I'll post it at some point tonight when I can bring myself to open Excel outside of the office.

[Desnudo]

And yes, I think you sounded like a decent Sawyer in a lot of posts.

[saldana]

do we know when night ends?

[SnDvls]

do we know when night ends?

I would think the standard 9 AM CST even if today ended early

[pennywisesb]

I agree that SunDvls is obviously the Duke. I had my doubts, but this sealed it so he obviously jumps to the top of my trust list. This list includes:SunDvls, Spleen, and KWit.

Man, without role reveals its definately going to be super hard to figure out if we've done the right thing!

[KWhit]

It's good that we confirmed another survivor, but I hope we find out some news on Alan. We really need for him to be an Other.

[SnDvls]

I agree that SunDvls is obviously the Duke. I had my doubts, but this sealed it so he obviously jumps to the top of my trust list. This list includes:SunDvls, Spleen, and KWit.

Man, without role reveals its definately going to be super hard to figure out if we've done the right thing!


I don't want to have any role reveals unless totally necessary. After tonight I think we'll have a nice little list of who is and who isn't a survivor. I really didn't want to use mine, but it was day 3 with no others eliminated I felt I was on the others short list and needed to use my role or lose it at that point and hopefully give us some clarity too.

[SnDvls]

it's quarter till Lost here in Arizona so I'll be back on in a bit.

[Desnudo]

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/453/ww21id.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21id.jpg)

Not positive about the votes on day 2 or 3 since breakdowns weren't posted, so double-check yours. Especially 3, although that vote was basically meaningless.

[Alan T]

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/453/ww21id.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww21id.jpg)

Not positive about the votes on day 2 or 3 since breakdowns weren't posted, so double-check yours. Especially 3, although that vote was basically meaningless.


Ok, I'll bite.. Whats Winning eleven? :)

[Desnudo]

It's a great PS2 soccer game. I should have a lot more time to play it now. I expect I won't need to keep up to date here.

[Desnudo]

Doubt they have it in the pit though.

[Desnudo]

I should add as possible last words that I do have a minor role in this game as I mentioned before. My hope is that this role will validate me as a villager tonight. I'm not going to bother to say what it is, but Blade will know if things happen the way I hope. There is no way I can be validated during the day except by the seer, who obviously hasn't scanned me, or else doesn't want to come forward to save me.

Anyway good luck.

[Swaggs]

This was kind of an unexciting day.

[path12]

Des, thanks for the chart no matter what happens tonight. Appreciate you taking the time.

[Desnudo]

Des, thanks for the chart no matter what happens tonight. Appreciate you taking the time.

You're welcome. I did mean to make it for you and Pack since you were trying to catch up. Just got lost in the shuffle, sorry.

[Celeval]

Just a note - I'm traveling this morning and at a client site during the day, so I may be quieter than normal.

[Raiders Army]

This was kind of an unexciting day.
Ditto. But at least we confirmed a known villager.

[Blade6119]

my night action was in last night, so im not holding us up

[Poli]

Screams from Alan T are heard throughout the night, but are mostly ignored. Most are concerned with saving their own skin. The watches are on the perimeter of the camp again, but now there's a watch over the cell. Well, after listening to Alan T, a short distance from the cell.

Straws were drawn as to who would draw the extra duty. It was during Desnudo's watch, the man who nearly went into the cell the day before, that the trees began to fall again. Animal noises erupted once again from the jungle as they fled from whatever was making the noise.

While survivors on the beach began to run away, Desnudo was last seen running into the jungle. Shortly after, everything was quiet again, but Desnudo never returns. After a few minutes, a search party departs to look for him. They find his mangled body and torn clothing a few hundred feet into the jungle, and return the body to the beach.

Some of the survivors remark they never remember Desnudo being on the plane at all. That said, a few of you contend that you did see him on the plane, and that he often talked about his home, which is more than could be said about Alan T.

After the first person mentions Alan T, faces turn white and a mad scramble to the cell ensues. You find his dead body lying on the ground just outside the cell, his head smashed in by some sort of blunt object. A search of his body reveals nothing but a list written on a crumpled sheet of paper. The list has everyone's name on it, what they're wearing, and where in the camp they're sleeping. It's clear Alan T didn't have your best intentions at heart. He was one of The Others!

"I knew he was no good," Sndvls remarks. "We need a head count and we all need to pack up. It's about time we moved."

Everyone shows for the head count except Blade6119. Blade's belongings are gone, strangely enough, and no one has seen him all night. A search is made, but nothing is found. Blade has disappeared.

The guards double up for the rest of the night, though no one sleeps. The next morning, you pack up your camp and begin to head down the beach. Blade6119 is still nowhere to be found. Anywhere is better than here.

[Poli]

Begin Day 4. Day ends at 9pm CST. I most likely will be on the road at this time, and may ask for a pinch hitter GM, to move the game along.

[hoopsguy]

I'm guessing today will be a little more exciting read than yesterday :)

AE, I should have availability to help out tonight if you end up needing it.

[Poli]

I'm guessing today will be a little more exciting read than yesterday :)

AE, I should have availability to help out tonight if you end up needing it.Much appreciated, and I'll definitely use you to keep the day/night times the same.

[SnDvls]

I knew I was right on you Alan. I'm going to start this off early.

Vote Saldana

something just doesn't sit right with me about him

[KWhit]

Wow! Great work on Alan T. I didn't have a read on him at all.

[KWhit]

How do you guys interpret what AE wrote about Desnudo?

Some of the survivors remark they never remember Desnudo being on the plane at all. That said, a few of you contend that you did see him on the plane, and that he often talked about his home, which is more than could be said about Alan T.

[Alan T]

I knew I should have thrown away that crumpled up paper! Foiled again, and I would have gotten away with it if not for you meddling kids!

[Celeval]

Nicely played, SnDvls. Good reads all around, and you came through well.

My take on Desnudo - anonymous survivor.

Blade vanishing - gone for good? Turncoat?

I'm at a client site, so probably won't post again during working hours, but I'll be around toniight after about 6pm EST. Please don't move the deadline up on me. :)

[SnDvls]

How do you guys interpret what AE wrote about Desnudo?


from page one it says he "attacked the security system" so from that I gather he was as I suspected "an other". I could be wrong. With Blade gone as well it will be a hard day to fight this one out. Someone with better sleuthing skills might be able to help out today, to bad Sky Dog isn't playing I hear he can find dead people :D .

[KWhit]

from page one it says he "attacked the security system" so from that I gather he was as I suspected "an other". I could be wrong. With Blade gone as well it will be a hard day to fight this one out. Someone with better sleuthing skills might be able to help out today, to bad Sky Dog isn't playing I hear he can find dead people :D .
I didn't think to check the first page. Interesting. I figured it was the other way around - that Blade attacked him. Hmmmm...

[SnDvls]

Hmm.. I had figured the night kill would go to someone else.. I figured Spleen would get it after his comments earlier... I hate losing hoops :(

Ok, well my trust circle is building a bit better for me now.. After yesterday I feel I am starting to have a group of people I am ok with. Right now this is what I am feeling:

Full trust: Pennywise, Blade

Some trust: Celeval, Desmond

Small trust: Spleen, Kwhit


Distrust: Raiders Army, Desnudo, Sndvls


neutral, or no feel: Everyone else.


This may sound weird, since Blade is leading the charge on me, but he is just misguided right now based on his hunches. I know many people have contimplated voting for him because of his lies about his role. He still isn't being completely honest with his role, but let me be clear. Voting for him would be a mistake. Don't send votes his way.

I mentioned earlier my reasons for looking at Desnudo, and I still have distrust towards Raiders Army based on some thoughts Blade tossed out yesterday, however I am starting to think that Blade guessed wrong with that also.

I really do not like what I feel is some form of setup being done. Right now Sndvls seems to be claiming a role that many people are attributing elsewhere (Sawyer). I have never seen the show, so hopefully am not being misled here. Also Sndvls seems to be attaching himself to me which never makes me feel comfortable when its someone I know very little about. Finally Sndvls has had some attachment to almost everyone that has died in this game (whether coming out trying to be the innocent protector, or whatnot). Right now I think I am going to have to go his direction.

VOTE SNDVLS

we need to look over some of Alan's posts. This one jumps out at me big time.

[saldana]

I knew I was right on you Alan. I'm going to start this off early.

Vote Saldana

something just doesn't sit right with me about him

what exactly did i do? i know i made the tie that ended up saving desnudo, but i didnt actually save him, the tie breaker did, and i had no control over that. i voted alan on day 1, and not following blindly into the vote for you yesterday is prudent, not suspicious, imo

[SnDvls]

what exactly did i do? i know i made the tie that ended up saving desnudo, but i didnt actually save him, the tie breaker did, and i had no control over that. i voted alan on day 1, and not following blindly into the vote for you yesterday is prudent, not suspicious, imo

You pulled off RA (at 3 votes then) to jump on mckerney (to tie him @ 5 with Desnudo) basically sealing mckerney's fate. There was one more vote by Kwhit on RA after you so you not only kill a good role and survivor you saved Dednudo (who I believe is an other) and/or RA (who I'm starting to suspect might be an other or working in conjuction with them {spy?} and who is drawing suspicision from many more)

[saldana]

if you go back to that day, i made it very clear that my switch to mckerney was based upon several things that at the time were very much still in dispute.

1. was blade telling the truth..he had already lied about his role like 3 times at that point, and the things he hadnt clarified as lies were still very hard to believe (and fwiw, still are...the 80% survival rate had to be a line, either that or there is a very lucky other somewhere) i believed he and mckerney were both wolves and the whole, "i am the most powerful role EVER, but couldnt kill mckerney" was a scam to clear his wolf buddy. if you would notice as soon as mckerney was killed, i backed off blade entirely

2. i thought the reason desnudo was getting a push was a bit ridiculous...he used the word always to describe his voting habits instead of usually, and that was it, no other evidence. i think my reasoning for mckerney was a lot stronger than a grammatical error by desnudo.

3. if you go back to my suspect list, Raiders is listed as number 3. so if you think he is an other, or at the least the turncoat, maybe this will help you.

vote raiders army

[Desnudo]

Good luck guys!

[pennywisesb]

Well, its good to see we made some progress. Well played AlanT. SunDvls, great job!

[pennywisesb]

Blade vanishing - gone for good? Turncoat?



I don't think so at this point. It'd be alittle too obvious with AE's explanation if this was the case. I'm really having a hard time explaining his vanishing, however.

[pennywisesb]

Dola

Before AE's description of the night's events, I was really thinking Desnudo was definately an other, and that if AlanT did in fact turn out to be an other, I'd vote Desnudo right away. Now, it looks as though Desnudo was just a survivor and that I was on the wrong path completely. :(

[SnDvls]

if you go back to that day, i made it very clear that my switch to mckerney was based upon several things that at the time were very much still in dispute.

1. was blade telling the truth..he had already lied about his role like 3 times at that point, and the things he hadnt clarified as lies were still very hard to believe (and fwiw, still are...the 80% survival rate had to be a line, either that or there is a very lucky other somewhere) i believed he and mckerney were both wolves and the whole, "i am the most powerful role EVER, but couldnt kill mckerney" was a scam to clear his wolf buddy. if you would notice as soon as mckerney was killed, i backed off blade entirely


I think it's pertty clear that mckerney was Jack the doctor which is a bodyguard/protector, that's how he survived the attack by blade.

[SnDvls]

Dola

Before AE's description of the night's events, I was really thinking Desnudo was definately an other, and that if AlanT did in fact turn out to be an other, I'd vote Desnudo right away. Now, it looks as though Desnudo was just a survivor and that I was on the wrong path completely. :(


what makes you think he was a survivor?

On page one it says he attacked the security system, a role Blade said was him. Do you know of any other survivor that would attack besides the assassian? And if he was the assassian why would he wait until night 3 to attack blade, he knew he was next on both blade's and my list?

[SnDvls]

I think there are only 2 others left for what it's worth.

[pennywisesb]

what makes you think he was a survivor?


"a few of you contend that you did see him on the plane, and that he often talked about his home,"

The fact that some of us remember seeing him on the plane. I didn't think of the whole assassin thing though, I'll have to go back to page one and read it again.

[pennywisesb]

I think there are only 2 others left for what it's worth.

Dola. Agreed.

[pennywisesb]

On page one it says he attacked the security system, a role Blade said was him.

Do you have a post # where this is stated? I've looked through the first 13 pages and never found this reference and figured it'd be easier if I was directed to the exact spot.....

[SnDvls]

Do you have a post # where this is stated? I've looked through the first 13 pages and never found this reference and figured it'd be easier if I was directed to the exact spot.....


sure give me a moment to find it.

[saldana]

sun, i would love to stay and fight, but i got called into work, and will not be back on until around 6 pm...i will be back definitely at 9pm eastern though, hopefully my neck wont be in the noose....i can only stress to you that i made a play based on logic with the info i had at the time, and yesterday, i was playing devils advocate, nothing more, which i think you should agree is good that someone does in those situations.

btw, good job with alan
*unzips pants near jail cell, urinates into pit*

[SnDvls]

According to ardent the black smoke is the security system...my role is the black smoke, and when i told hoops i wasnt the security system ardent PMd me telling me they are one and the same.


found it post # 765

[SnDvls]

btw, good job with alan
*unzips pants near jail cell, urinates into pit*

lol I've been waiting on that :D

[SnDvls]

my thoughts on everyone who is left.

1. Kwhit - 75% sure he's good
2. Desnudo died attacking the security system, night 3. ASSUMED OTHER
3. Alan T lynched, day 3. OTHER
4. mckerney lynched, day 2. SURVIVOR
5. Swaggs 75% sure he's good
6. Grammaticus died at the hands of The Others, night 1. SURVIVOR
7. spleen1015 75% sure he's good
8. Raiders Army 50/50 on him, leaning on the bad side.
9. tanglewood/Path12 50/50 on him leaning on the good side.
10. Schmidty no real read hasn't done or said much
11. Desmond 80-90% sure he's good
12. hoopsguy died at the hands of The Others, night 2. SURVIVOR
13. Blade6119, disappeared, night 3. SECURITY SYSTEM/SURVIVOR
14. Sndvls 100% good
15. Mr. Wednesday lynched, day 1. SURVIVOR
16. saldana 80% sure he's bad
17. pennywisesb 60% sure he's good
18. RPI-Fan/PackerFanatic 80-90% sure he's good
19. Celeval 75% good
20. kingfc22 50/50 on him, could be laying low as a bad guy.
21. bearcat729 no read on him, hasn't said or done much, my gut says good

[pennywisesb]

what makes you think he was a survivor?

On page one it says he attacked the security system, a role Blade said was him. Do you know of any other survivor that would attack besides the assassian? And if he was the assassian why would he wait until night 3 to attack blade, he knew he was next on both blade's and my list?

Sorry, I knew Blade was the security system, I just didn't put 2 and 2 together with Desnudo running into the jungle as him attacking Blade per se. I was more attracted to the part where some of us remember him being on the plane.

[pennywisesb]

What do you make of Blades disappearance Sun? Do you think Desnudo was successful and blade is now out of the game, or do you think there's a chance he could come back since we never found a body?

[SnDvls]

What do you make of Blades disappearance Sun? Do you think Desnudo was successful and blade is now out of the game, or do you think there's a chance he could come back since we never found a body?

that I don't know. Blade said he wasn't an other nor a survivor per say, but he got to choose which side he wanted to be on. I would think he would be able to come back, but without his power or a very limited power.

The comment on Desnudo being seen by a "few" just tells me that the only people vouching for him were others. Just how I read it.

[KWhit]

Does anybody else think that maybe Blade is a serial killer type role with no allegiance whatsoever? Maybe his victory condition is just to be alive at the end and kill as many people (others or survivors) as possible.

The reason I say this is in the show the security system is definitely not on the same side as the survivors. We haven't seen enough of it to know if it's affiliated with the Others in any way, but it appears to be a rogue entity of sorts that just does its own thing.

[KWhit]

Blade said he wasn't an other nor a survivor per say, but he got to choose which side he wanted to be on.
I think he might have been lying about this.

[path12]

I'm not real familiar with the show but have watched occasionally. Might Blade be the Locke role? IIRC, he vanished at one point during season one.

Not that I know how that would translate to this game, but maybe someone more knowledgeable about the series could help here.

Sun, great job on Alan. When I get a chance today I want to go back and look over some of his posts -- one of the great things about him being bad is that he writes a lot.

[SnDvls]

Does anybody else think that maybe Blade is a serial killer type role with no allegiance whatsoever? Maybe his victory condition is just to be alive at the end and kill as many people (others or survivors) as possible.

The reason I say this is in the show the security system is definitely not on the same side as the survivors. We haven't seen enough of it to know if it's affiliated with the Others in any way, but it appears to be a rogue entity of sorts that just does its own thing.

then what or who would Desnudo of attacked last night? It clearly says he attacked the security system and died.

[pennywisesb]

then what or who would Desnudo of attacked last night? It clearly says he attacked the security system and died.

It never "clearly" states this. I'm not arguing that thats not what happened, I just want to point this out. It just says he ran into the jungle.

[Swaggs]

Just catching up again. Looks like some good stuff. :)

[SnDvls]

It never "clearly" states this. I'm not arguing that thats not what happened, I just want to point this out. It just says he ran into the jungle.


See page 1. first post by AE in the list of players it does.

[Swaggs]

Hmmm... a thought on Desnudo/Alan/Blade.

I believe that Blade was the Black Smoke/security system. I wonder if Desnudo, who said he had a small role, was someone like Michael or Sayid or even Desmond (the character not the FOFCer), who are characters that appear to be mechanically inclined and might have had the ability to disable Blade.

[Swaggs]

Also, perhaps Alan T had the same ability to disable Blade from the Others' team. That could well be why Blade tried to get rid of both of them.

[pennywisesb]

See page 1. first post by AE in the list of players it does.

Copy that. I'm retarded.

[spleen1015]

Guys,

I need to withdraw myself from the game. I lost my job this morning. My mind is totally else where and I don't think I'll be worth a damn to the game at this point.

I enjoyed playing with you guys and hopefully I get to play with you guys again. I apologize for quitting on you guys, but I need to.

I have PMed AE to let him know.

[PackerFanatic]

That sucks, spleen. Good luck with everything and I hope it works out for the best.

[Swaggs]

Guys,

I need to withdraw myself from the game. I lost my job this morning. My mind is totally else where and I don't think I'll be worth a damn to the game at this point.

I enjoyed playing with you guys and hopefully I get to play with you guys again. I apologize for quitting on you guys, but I need to.

I have PMed AE to let him know.

Geez. That is terrible news.

All the best to you.

[Alan T]

Guys,

I need to withdraw myself from the game. I lost my job this morning. My mind is totally else where and I don't think I'll be worth a damn to the game at this point.

I enjoyed playing with you guys and hopefully I get to play with you guys again. I apologize for quitting on you guys, but I need to.

I have PMed AE to let him know.

Sorry to hear that Spleen :( My best wishes in you getting through it.

[Desnudo]

Sorry Spleen. Good luck.

[Raiders Army]

Guys,

I need to withdraw myself from the game. I lost my job this morning. My mind is totally else where and I don't think I'll be worth a damn to the game at this point.

I enjoyed playing with you guys and hopefully I get to play with you guys again. I apologize for quitting on you guys, but I need to.

I have PMed AE to let him know.
spleen, take care of yourself first. Good luck man.

[pennywisesb]

Dang Spleen, sorry to hear that buddy. Good luck!

[Celeval]

Sorry to hear that, spleen, good luck.

Another thought - perhaps Blade went after Desnudo (didn't he say he would?) and Desnudo won? Blade disappearing may be him getting destroyed... the black smoke wouldn't exactly leave a body behind. Des was killed while fighting (attacking?) the security system.

[SnDvls]

Sorry to hear that Spleen, Keep your head up and best wishes.

[SnDvls]

Another thought - perhaps Blade went after Desnudo (didn't he say he would?) and Desnudo won? Blade disappearing may be him getting destroyed... the black smoke wouldn't exactly leave a body behind. Des was killed while fighting (attacking?) the security system.

it all depends on what order AE does night actions or if they are all done at once.

The only way I don't think it works out is if Blade got actions first and then the others. If that were the case this also tells me that if we have a second bodyguard (Ecko/Syaid) they didn't protect Blade last night.

[KWhit]

then what or who would Desnudo of attacked last night? It clearly says he attacked the security system and died.
My post wasn't clear. I meant that he is the security system, but that role is like the "serial killer" role in past games (as I remember the role anyway) meaning that his job is to kill people and not get killed himself, but doesn't have any real allegiance to either side.

[Swaggs]

My post wasn't clear. I meant that he is the security system, but that role is like the "serial killer" role in past games (as I remember the role anyway) meaning that his job is to kill people and not get killed himself, but doesn't have any real allegiance to either side.

I think I am pretty willing to accept this as fact.

To me, Blade was an independent entity, acting on his on agenda, with his end purpose to survive. Period.

For now, since he is listed as red on the first page and has been quiet, I think we have to assume that he is gone, or at least deactivated for now.

[Swaggs]

We need to lynch someone tonight still. Does anyone have good candidates with reasoning or want to revisit prior votes?

I know I voted with Blade the first day because he was acting so chaotically.

And, I voted for Alan the second day (and intended to again yesterday until the SnDvls thing unfolded), just based on suspicion from his behavior. My feelings were that he was running a lot of interference by putting out a large amount of pretty neutral information.

[Schmidty]

I'm not real familiar with the show but have watched occasionally. Might Blade be the Locke role? IIRC, he vanished at one point during season one.

I highly doubt that is the case. I think it's much more likely that Locke would be more like a seer/scout type of role.

I think Kwhit's idea of him being like the serial killer role is much more likely, although it's all speculation.

Swaggs is correct in that we definitely need to lynch someone who is very quiet, or puts out a lot of neutral info. And yes, I know that I have been quiet, but I have various reasons for that, including the fact that I don't really have a feel for a lot of the guys in the game.

[PackerFanatic]

I guess me being quiet now might be my downfall, so I will do my best to prove I am with you guys. I really don't have a clue as to who we should lynch tonight, as we haven't had too many speak up since the last night action.

WALT!!!!

[Schmidty]

FWIW, I was the first person to start the lynch on Desnudo back on day two.

[path12]

We need to lynch someone tonight still. Does anyone have good candidates with reasoning or want to revisit prior votes?

I know I voted with Blade the first day because he was acting so chaotically.

And, I voted for Alan the second day (and intended to again yesterday until the SnDvls thing unfolded), just based on suspicion from his behavior. My feelings were that he was running a lot of interference by putting out a large amount of pretty neutral information.

Well, I'm busier at work than I would prefer to do more thorough analysis, but looking at Alan's last list of trust plus the fact that there's been no votes his way yet will cause me to throw out for discussion:

VOTE PENNYWISE

If there are background posts that clear him I'm more than happy to discuss other options.

[Raiders Army]

Well, I'm busier at work than I would prefer to do more thorough analysis, but looking at Alan's last list of trust plus the fact that there's been no votes his way yet will cause me to throw out for discussion:

VOTE PENNYWISE

If there are background posts that clear him I'm more than happy to discuss other options.
VOTE PENNYWISESB

I'm for this as well. I believe that an other voted for king on day 1, and it's only him and I left...I know I'm a survivor so that leaves only him.

[KWhit]

Penny is pretty solidly cleared in my eyes.

My 100% Trust List:
KWhit
Spleen (or his replacement)
Hoops
Pennywise

Fairly solid trust:
Raiders Army
Blade (looks like he is probably dead, but....)

[Swaggs]

my thoughts on everyone who is left.

1. Kwhit - 75% sure he's good
2. Desnudo died attacking the security system, night 3. ASSUMED OTHER
3. Alan T lynched, day 3. OTHER
4. mckerney lynched, day 2. SURVIVOR
5. Swaggs 75% sure he's good
6. Grammaticus died at the hands of The Others, night 1. SURVIVOR
7. spleen1015 75% sure he's good
8. Raiders Army 50/50 on him, leaning on the bad side.
9. tanglewood/Path12 50/50 on him leaning on the good side.
10. Schmidty no real read hasn't done or said much
11. Desmond 80-90% sure he's good
12. hoopsguy died at the hands of The Others, night 2. SURVIVOR
13. Blade6119, disappeared, night 3. SECURITY SYSTEM/SURVIVOR
14. Sndvls 100% good
15. Mr. Wednesday lynched, day 1. SURVIVOR
16. saldana 80% sure he's bad
17. pennywisesb 60% sure he's good
18. RPI-Fan/PackerFanatic 80-90% sure he's good
19. Celeval 75% good
20. kingfc22 50/50 on him, could be laying low as a bad guy.
21. bearcat729 no read on him, hasn't said or done much, my gut says good


Just looking over this again.

I do not assume that Desnudo was an other. The fact that AE's writeup clearly reveals Alan as an other, while it does not for Desnudo, makes me feel pretty certain that Desnudo was one of us.

[path12]

Penny is pretty solidly cleared in my eyes.

Is that because of the Spleen PM description or is there another reason in your view?

BTW, forgot to add earlier, sorry to hear about your job Spleen, good luck!

[path12]

Just looking over this again.

I do not assume that Desnudo was an other. The fact that AE's writeup clearly reveals Alan as an other, while it does not for Desnudo, makes me feel pretty certain that Desnudo was one of us.

I agree with this.

[KWhit]

Penny is a simple survivor based on the wording of a post he had much earlier in the thread where he said:

All I know is that my PM said something along the line of me being a simple survivor with not special role to note.

The no special role to note is almost exactly the wording of my, hoops, and spleen's PM.

[Swaggs]

Penny is pretty solidly cleared in my eyes.

My 100% Trust List:
KWhit
Spleen (or his replacement)
Hoops
Pennywise

Fairly solid trust:
Raiders Army
Blade (looks like he is probably dead, but....)

My 100% Trust List is pretty much the same, with SnDvls and myself added. I think Pennywise is the wrong person to vote for today and will be suspicious of those that vote for him, since he has given cues that, in my mind, clear him.

I am nowhere sold on Raiders Army. Right now, the Blades-RA relationship is very curious to me. I feel like it is possible that RA may have some type of communicating night action that he passed a note to Blade, which would clear him, but I also fear he could be another player with his own agenda.

[KWhit]

My 100% Trust List is pretty much the same, with SnDvls and myself added. I think Pennywise is the wrong person to vote for today and will be suspicious of those that vote for him, since he has given cues that, in my mind, clear him.

I am nowhere sold on Raiders Army. Right now, the Blades-RA relationship is very curious to me. I feel like it is possible that RA may have some type of communicating night action that he passed a note to Blade, which would clear him, but I also fear he could be another player with his own agenda.
I remember thinking that you were trustworthy too, but I can't remember why I thought that so I didn't include you on the list.

Can you refresh my memory why I might have trusted you?

And I should have put sndvls on my 100% trust list too.

[Raiders Army]

Penny is a simple survivor based on the wording of a post he had much earlier in the thread where he said:



The no special role to note is almost exactly the wording of my, hoops, and spleen's PM.
doh. Then UNVOTE PENNYWISESB

[Swaggs]

I remember thinking that you were trustworthy too, but I can't remember why I thought that so I didn't include you on the list.

Can you refresh my memory why I might have trusted you?

And I should have put sndvls on my 100% trust list too.

I am a simple survivor, also, but I probably cannot make it 100% clear to you, because, even though I started using the term "simple" in my posts to cue other simple survivors in, I didn't begin doing it until after the cat had been, at least partially, out of the bag.

I left this in post 1811 yesterday:

I guess that is possible, although some of the guys seem pretty certain that he was a simple villager. Does anyone out there have any type of special ability of note that can confirm or deny this?

But, again, from the last handful of posts, it looks like that cat is now out of the bag as well (even though I didn't realize it at that point).

[SnDvls]

Penny is pretty solidly cleared in my eyes.

My 100% Trust List:
KWhit
Spleen (or his replacement)
Hoops
Pennywise

Fairly solid trust:
Raiders Army
Blade (looks like he is probably dead, but....)


WOW :eek: I'm not 100% trusted :confused:

[SnDvls]

I remember thinking that you were trustworthy too, but I can't remember why I thought that so I didn't include you on the list.

Can you refresh my memory why I might have trusted you?

And I should have put sndvls on my 100% trust list too.

nevermind...just floored me I wasn't there.

[path12]

OK, I'll buy the Pennywise thing. I've got that same info in my role (though of course it's way too late to take that at 100% I realize).

So: UNVOTE PENNYWISE

If I take what KWhit is saying then, my initial list looks like:

100% Trust
path12
SnDvls

Good trust
KWhit
Spleen
Pennywise

Leaning good
Swaggs
PackerFan
Desmond

No read
Raiders
Schmidty
Saldana
King
Celeval
Bearcat

My vote will likely go to one of those then.

[KWhit]

WOW :eek: I'm not 100% trusted :confused:
Details, details.

:)

[KWhit]

Let's look at King. Everyone has been going under the assumption that an other had a vote on him on day 1. It looks to me that that wasn't the case (I have pretty solid trust on all the guys who voted for him). Which leads me to the obvious conclusion that perhaps King is an Other.

Any thoughts?

[Swaggs]

I would like to know a little bit more about PackerFanatic. Anything you would care to tell us (since I think you are putting it out there pretty obviously)?

[Schmidty]

I will never, ever understand why people take into account the fact that someone says "I'm a simple villager and this is basically what my PM said....". What the hell does that prove? Nothing. People will say anything in this game.

[KWhit]

I will never, ever understand why people take into account the fact that someone says "I'm a simple villager and this is basically what my PM said....". What the hell does that prove? Nothing. People will say anything in this game.
Ummm.... Because we got the same PM that was word for word exactly what he said.

Duh.

[Schmidty]

Good trust
KWhit
Spleen
Pennywise

What reasoning is there for you to have such trust in them? The pennywise reasoning (KWhit brought it up) about a PM is a skimpy reason as far as I'm concerned.

[Schmidty]

Ummm.... Because we got the same PM that was word for word exactly what he said.

Duh.

Who's to say that you made that up, or that you're working together?

Duh.

[Schmidty]

Who's to say that you made that up, or that you're working together?

Duh.

That should be "Who's to say that you didn't make that up".

[Swaggs]

That should be "Who's to say that you didn't make that up".

If that many people are all on the same page, you should be very, very concerned about the number of others.

[KWhit]

Who's to say that you made that up, or that you're working together?

Duh.
Have you been reading this thread?

Hoops was the one to lay out the reasons we all believed each other. He was killed soon after that by the Others and was proven to be a survivor. Why would a survivor make that up?

Duh.

[KWhit]

By the way, the "duh" is all in good fun.

:)

[PackerFanatic]

I really am just a simple villager. I have no special powers (sadly) and am just trying to get a feel for the other guys so I don't have a wasted vote tonight.

[Swaggs]

I guess me being quiet now might be my downfall, so I will do my best to prove I am with you guys. I really don't have a clue as to who we should lynch tonight, as we haven't had too many speak up since the last night action.

WALT!!!!

Which is exactly why I didn't vote. I lumped a vote in XXI and ended up voting for a villager.

I am a survivor, through and through, and I hope all make the right decisions today. Losing hoops is no good...

I am leaning toward voting for AlanT, but will make my vote for sure tomorrow.

They took my boy!!! *cries*

Long night action...

They took my boy!!!

Painfully obvious clues (so I don't feel like I am presenting breaking news here).

But the question is why? Inexperienced player, with a potentially useful skill, trying to clear himself (even though he is in no apparent danger) or could he be an other, trying to cause confusion?

[Schmidty]

By the way, the "duh" is all in good fun.

:)

I know, I didn't take offense. :)

[Schmidty]

Have you been reading this thread?

Hoops was the one to lay out the reasons we all believed each other. He was killed soon after that by the Others and was proven to be a survivor. Why would a survivor make that up?

Duh.

Can you point out the post you're speaking of, as it seems that I missed it.

[path12]

What reasoning is there for you to have such trust in them? The pennywise reasoning (KWhit brought it up) about a PM is a skimpy reason as far as I'm concerned.

Because I went back and saw that they were doing this at the beginning of the game. Granted, I could be wrong which is why I didn't say 100%, but frankly so far it matches the only thing that I know to be true in this game, and that is that the phrases they used matches the one I got.

So, while I don't take that at 100%, I do take it as enough to take a look at some other people before them.

Yourself, for example. :p

[KWhit]

I'm leaving soon and may not make it back on until later on tonight (probably before the lynch, but that's not guaranteed).

Vote Kingfc22

I think I semi-trust everyone who voted for him on day 1, meaning that all the Other votes went over to Mr Wednesday or somewhere else. The only way that's logical is if King is an Other.

[KWhit]

Can you point out the post you're speaking of, as it seems that I missed it.
Yeah. Gimme a sec.

[KWhit]

Can you point out the post you're speaking of, as it seems that I missed it.
Post 939.

[pennywisesb]

doh. Then UNVOTE PENNYWISESB

Let me guess RA, your PM said the same thing KWit is talking about? :rolleyes:

Right now my main suspects are RA. I don't like that he tried to pile on me right there, I feel pretty confident that KWit had already vouched for me enough times.

[KWhit]

I think we should go after King instead of Raiders. I'm not totally sold on RA yet, but I have a reason to suspect that he is ok.

[PackerFanatic]

Theo nly reason I was trying to defend myself was because someone had mentioned that we should start looking at those who have been quiet, and i haven't exactly been the most vocal of the group, and I wouldn't want you to waste a lynch on a villager.

[KWhit]

And on that note, I gotta go!

Later guys. I'll be back around 7:30 eastern (I think).

[Swaggs]

Vote Saldana

I may change my vote if any evidence presents itself, but right now, he is among my biggest suspects.

I am also very interested to hear more about PackerFanatic. The roleplaying has me very, very curious.

[pennywisesb]

Painfully obvious clues (so I don't feel like I am presenting breaking news here).

But the question is why? Inexperienced player, with a potentially useful skill, trying to clear himself (even though he is in no apparent danger) or could he be an other, trying to cause confusion?

Couldn't anyone who watches the show just throw these comments out there? I just have a hard time trusting him right now because he's been so quiet. He's barely given us anything to consider at this point.

[PackerFanatic]

Not sure what else I can tell ya, Swaggs.

[PackerFanatic]

(BTW, penny, I have never seen the show)

[Swaggs]

Couldn't anyone who watches the show just throw these comments out there? I just have a hard time trusting him right now because he's been so quiet. He's barely given us anything to consider at this point.

Sure he could, but he has done it at least three times in my very limited search.

[Schmidty]

Post 939.

Thanks.

I am still skeptical though, since in every other WW game people say "simple villager checking in". EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Regardless, I'm not saying anything bad about you, I'm just saying that that proof isn't as cut-and-dried as it is to you (and to hoops).

[SnDvls]

I think we should go after King instead of Raiders. I'm not totally sold on RA yet, but I have a reason to suspect that he is ok.


I tend to agree here. If we clear RA that opens up more options for us, if King is good then we know RA is next.

Saldana you will have to wait until another day.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE KING

[Swaggs]

Not sure what else I can tell ya, Swaggs.

I just find it peculiar that you have put those messages in a few of your posts. To me, it appears as if you are either telegraphing to us that you are Michael or you are trying to build an alibi by creating a history that you can refer back to if you come under danger of lynching.

[pennywisesb]

I think we should go after King instead of Raiders. I'm not totally sold on RA yet, but I have a reason to suspect that he is ok.

KWit is at the top of my trust list behind SunDvls so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Vote KingFC

RA, don't get your hopes up, I'll be looking at you very carefully tomorrow when deciding who to vote.... :eek:

[Schmidty]

(BTW, penny, I have never seen the show)

If you've never seen the show, how do you know the catch-phrases? Even if you are Walt's dad (can't think of his name), I highly doubt that AE would be feeding you things to say in PMs.

[SnDvls]

dola - should also add we still have very good numbers even if you don't believe Desnudo is an other, but we need to get information tonight or we'll soon be out of options.

[SnDvls]

Kwhit - what are you feelings towards Desmond? good, bad?

[pennywisesb]

If you've never seen the show, how do you know the catch-phrases? Even if you are Walt's dad (can't think of his name), I highly doubt that AE would be feeding you things to say in PMs.

Good catch Schmidy. I'm interested in hearing his response as well.

[SnDvls]

dola - also Saldana

[pennywisesb]

*Schmidty, my bad

[Swaggs]

Thanks.

I am still skeptical though, since in every other WW game people say "simple villager checking in". EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Regardless, I'm not saying anything bad about you, I'm just saying that that proof isn't as cut-and-dried as it is to you (and to hoops).

The key phrase here is "simple survivor," not "simple villager."

[PackerFanatic]

I am Michael, I am just like you guys.

[pennywisesb]

If you've never seen the show, how do you know the catch-phrases? Even if you are Walt's dad (can't think of his name), I highly doubt that AE would be feeding you things to say in PMs.
PackerFanatic, Please answer the above question instead of just telling us you are Michael.

[Schmidty]

The key phrase here is "simple survivor," not "simple villager."

Same thing. When we were in the spawn game, they checked in as "simple soldiers". In the Chuck Norris game, they checked in as "simple samurai". It happens in every game, and I always rag on people for it.

[Schmidty]

PackerFanatic, Please answer the above question instead of just telling us you are Michael.

Yeah, this is wierd.

[PackerFanatic]

My fiance watches the show a lot and tells me about it a lot, I told her about this game and told her who my character was. She said it would be funny to do that. Simply harmless fun.

[Schmidty]

Interesting.

[Swaggs]

I am Michael, I am just like you guys.

So, Michael or a simple survivor?

Without giving much away, I would suggest you clarify and, if you are Michael, share what you know.

[Schmidty]

PackerFanatic is looking really bad to me, although if he isn't Michael, wouldn't the real one call him out on it, since it would be obvious that he is an Other?

[kingfc22]

So, Michael or a simple survivor?

Without giving much away, I would suggest you clarify and, if you are Michael, share what you know.So far all "simple survivors" have not been named. So I'm not buying this much. The amount of roles in this game are less than the amount of characters on the show. So it is likely that Michael is not even a "role" in this game.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[path12]

PackerFanatic is looking really bad to me, although if he isn't Michael, wouldn't the real one call him out on it, since it would be obvious that he is an Other?

What kind of powers might Michael have? In my limited knowledge all I know is that he's Walt's dad, and that he helped build the raft.

I've been looking over Desnudo's vote list and was wondering if anyone else finds strange the voting for Celeval and Saldana -- day 1 they both voted Alan (when there wasn't really much movement that way). Seems to me that could be positioning against later suspicion......then they both voted survivors or suspected survivors depending on your view on Desnudo.

[Celeval]

Jumping on to catch up before heading to dinner, will be back before vote time.

I voted for Alan on Day 1 because I didn't have a feel for anyone, and didn't want my vote to be a deciding factor on the first day of my first game. Plus, I've known Alan for a while, outside of FOFC as well; so felt comfortable that voting for him wouldn't tick him off. :)

[Swaggs]

What kind of powers might Michael have? In my limited knowledge all I know is that he's Walt's dad, and that he helped build the raft.

I've been looking over Desnudo's vote list and was wondering if anyone else finds strange the voting for Celeval and Saldana -- day 1 they both voted Alan (when there wasn't really much movement that way). Seems to me that could be positioning against later suspicion......then they both voted survivors or suspected survivors depending on your view on Desnudo.

I am not sure what the in-game skills could be, but on the show he has building, artistic, and some computer skills. Another thought could be that he is partnered with a Walt role somehow.

[PackerFanatic]

I am Michael and sadly, I don't know anything. I would share anything I knew with you guys.

[Poli]

If any of you know someone that would like to take Spleen's spot, please let me know. We've currently exhausted our alternates list.

[Alan T]

If any of you know someone that would like to take Spleen's spot, please let me know. We've currently exhausted our alternates list.


I will!!


In other thoughts, am I the only person who hasnt seen this show but is now thinking about watching an episode or two just to put all these names to actors? :)

[Raiders Army]

So far all "simple survivors" have not been named. So I'm not buying this much. The amount of roles in this game are less than the amount of characters on the show. So it is likely that Michael is not even a "role" in this game.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC
With my trust in Penny now pretty much solidified, I can only conclude that 100% survivors voted for you on day 1. With no other votes on you, I also conclude that you are an other.

VOTE KINGFC22

[Desnudo]

If you rent one dvd, you will end up watching them all.

[Desmond]

I am not sure what the in-game skills could be, but on the show he has building, artistic, and some computer skills. Another thought could be that he is partnered with a Walt role somehow.

Is it possible that Blade is Walt since he's gone missing? It would mean that maybe he had some sort of "vision" abilities, but isn't that the seer?

[Desmond]

Im gonna be on all evening, but right now i guess i'd cast my

Vote kingfc22

[path12]

Is it possible that Blade is Walt since he's gone missing? It would mean that maybe he had some sort of "vision" abilities, but isn't that the seer?

I thought he said he was the black smoke/security system. Not that I really understand that (or trust anything Blade said at this point).....

[Swaggs]

Is it possible that Blade is Walt since he's gone missing? It would mean that maybe he had some sort of "vision" abilities, but isn't that the seer?

I tend to believe that Blade was the Black Smoke/security system, since he said that he received a PM from Ardent clarifying the terminology. It would probably be against the spirit of the game to lie about that.

[path12]

Bearcat, I've seen you in the thread quite a bit -- what are your thoughts?

[Bearcat729]

Bearcat, I've seen you in the thread quite a bit -- what are your thoughts?


My thoughts are totally random. I'm not sure where to do with my vote tonight, but Packerfanatic coming out that quickly with his identity with no real reason is raising a red flag. I'm not sure if I would cast a vote for King just yet, I don't trust anyone who is still alive besides Sun (And I only trust him because he has been proven to be a survivor), but I'm not sold on the argument that he is an other just off the first vote.

[PackerFanatic]

I am beginning to lead toward king too...

VOTE KINGFC22

[PackerFanatic]

And again, to answer bearcat's query, I didn't want to be lumped in with "the quiet folk" That is why I came out saying who I was.

[SnDvls]

it would be intersting to see what would happen if I moved my vote....hmmm

[SnDvls]

unvote KING

[Raiders Army]

crap....too much of a pile on

I'm thinking I need to switch my vote then.

[path12]

VOTE SALDANA

I don't like the quick jump to King.

[Swaggs]

Anyone keeping a vote count or did we kill everyone that did that? :)

[Alan T]

Anyone keeping a vote count or did we kill everyone that did that? :)


:D

[Desnudo]

Anyone keeping a vote count or did we kill everyone that did that? :)

Bush
(Incumbent)
62,040,606

Kerry
59,028,109

Nader
411,304

[path12]

BTW, just to explain why Saldana:

1) Voted Alan day 1 with Celeval when Alan not really in danger yet, looks like a good cover your ass vote.
2) Voted mckerney
3) Quieter than I remember from past games
4) Sun doesn't trust him and Sun is my only confirmed survivor except for me.
5) He's always under suspicion! :D

[Swaggs]

BTW, just to explain why Saldana:

1) Voted Alan day 1 with Celeval when Alan not really in danger yet, looks like a good cover your ass vote.
2) Voted mckerney
3) Quieter than I remember from past games
4) Sun doesn't trust him and Sun is my only confirmed survivor except for me.
5) He's always under suspicion! :D

I agree with you and am planning to hold my vote on him. I think that Saldana or King are both as good of choices as anyone at this point.

I am a little disturbed that King isn't lobbying to save himself a little bit more, though.

[pennywisesb]

crap....too much of a pile on

I'm thinking I need to switch my vote then.

?

You are really arousing my suspicion RA.

[saldana]

Path, if you bothered to go back and look at why i voted for Alan on day 1, it was because he PK'ed me last game and i owed him one...anyone that has played a number of these games with me knows that i jokingly hold grudges from game to game (see neverending feud with dubb)

i agree with Schmidty, and have since the very beginning, that once the "simple survivor" line showed up, anyone could stated the same thing. i really dont see the extra significance of it...hell i put that i was a villager checking in, does that mean i am not in the right game? no it just means i used a different phrase.


i am leaving my vote on raiders. he has been on my list for a while. i would love to see someone actually bring evidence forward against me...i love when people just vote with nothing to back them up. (i posted my raiders evidence on day 2, in case anyone cares)

I will be in and out between now and the deadline.

[saldana]

BTW, just to explain why Saldana:

1) Voted Alan day 1 with Celeval when Alan not really in danger yet, looks like a good cover your ass vote.
2) Voted mckerney
3) Quieter than I remember from past games
4) Sun doesn't trust him and Sun is my only confirmed survivor except for me.
5) He's always under suspicion! :D


i was posting my other message and didnt see this one

1) already explained that, my reasoning is as good as anyone who picked a random number. and actually, if you go back to last game's thread, i promised Alan i would be voting for him on day 1, and that was about 6 days before roles for this game went out.
2) already explained this too, I thought blade was full of BS, and his I am all powerful, but couldnt kill Mckerney was a great ploy to cover a wolf for the whole game, plus the "always" logic was stupid, IMO as a reason to vote Desnudo
3) my daughters nanny had a baby on Saturday, and i have had to watch my 19 month old all day, and then work all night, hence less time to post. if you noticed, i always post when i am gonna be around and when i am not. the logic here is great though, i am too quiet, but you have about 20 posts in the whole thread, bearcat has a dozen, and schmidty is is usual nearly silent self. if i were an other, which i am not, do you think i would make such an obvious change in my playing style...thats pretty dumb on my part
4) sun is the only 100% lock as a good guy we have, but i would still like to hear the basis of his suspicions
5) this is the only thing you said that is right, except you left out the part about those suspicions usually being wrong.

[saldana]

double dola, does anyone have a vote count???

[Raiders Army]

?

You are really arousing my suspicion RA.
How is that? You don't find it's somewhat of a pile on? I didn't switch my vote, I was just saying...

[SnDvls]

:D


double :D

I know you still only had one use for us. :D

[Desmond]

Man, Im having a hard time computing all of this.

[kingfc22]

I am a little disturbed that King isn't lobbying to save himself a little bit more, though.
What do you want me to say? Everyone is still just following Blade even though he is apparently dead.

He said he had an 80% chance to survive an attack. How would he know that? I've never seen a role given out in a WW game that stated your chance of surviving a night attack.

He also said he got to choose what side he was on. BS, I'm going with the theory that he had no allegiance to either side just like the show and would win if he got it down to a 1:1:1 ratio.

He also made everyone believe that Desnudo was bad, but according to the night report it looks like he was just a "simple survivor".

And how is he so certain in regards to RA? I know I am a survivor and right now I'm leaning more towards penny being one as well over RA.

The reason I voted for Packer today over RA is that every named role so far looks to have had a role and those that were just survivors (hoops/desnudo) had no tie with the TV show. If Packer is really Michael, then I don't think he could have a "simple survivor" role like he claims.

[SnDvls]

4) sun is the only 100% lock as a good guy we have, but i would still like to hear the basis of his suspicions


relly the same suspicion I had for Alan...a hunch and gut feeling of how you are playing now vs. other games. I know we all have our quiet days and that isn't why I was picking you. I do feel there are better options for today that could clear another survivor though.

[path12]

relly the same suspicion I had for Alan...a hunch and gut feeling of how you are playing now vs. other games. I know we all have our quiet days and that isn't why I was picking you. I do feel there are better options for today that could clear another survivor though.

Sun, what are your thoughts on Bearcat?

[saldana]

I do feel there are better options for today that could clear another survivor though.


WELL THEN VOTE FOR ONE OF THEM!!! :D

seriously, you have played enough of these with me to hopefully not think i would be dumb enough to do that. i explained why i havent been posting as much this game, which you can choose to believe or not, but other than my less than normal posting numbers, i have done exactly what i always do, try to employ as much logic as possible in my choices, and if you look at my votes and my posts, i have done exactly that....i will also point out that hoops asked me why i switched to Mckerney, and i said then and say again now, that it wasnt so much a vote for mckerney, but a vote for blade, who i did not trust at the time. the only other thing i can say is that i obviously trust you, i have never seen a bad guy duke, so if you have a better option, vote it, because killing me tonight is going to get us nowhere in terms of winning this game.

[SnDvls]

Sun, what are your thoughts on Bearcat?


I don't really have a read on him. Hasn't said or done much. I've only played one other WW game w/ him too.

do you have a run down on the players you wish to share?

[SnDvls]

dola - never mind I have yours

[SnDvls]

something about Celeval doesn't sit right with me as I relook at voting paterns.

[saldana]

dola....NO ONE has a vote count?

[path12]

i was posting my other message and didnt see this one

1) already explained that, my reasoning is as good as anyone who picked a random number. and actually, if you go back to last game's thread, i promised Alan i would be voting for him on day 1, and that was about 6 days before roles for this game went out.
2) already explained this too, I thought blade was full of BS, and his I am all powerful, but couldnt kill Mckerney was a great ploy to cover a wolf for the whole game, plus the "always" logic was stupid, IMO as a reason to vote Desnudo
3) my daughters nanny had a baby on Saturday, and i have had to watch my 19 month old all day, and then work all night, hence less time to post. if you noticed, i always post when i am gonna be around and when i am not. the logic here is great though, i am too quiet, but you have about 20 posts in the whole thread, bearcat has a dozen, and schmidty is is usual nearly silent self. if i were an other, which i am not, do you think i would make such an obvious change in my playing style...thats pretty dumb on my part
4) sun is the only 100% lock as a good guy we have, but i would still like to hear the basis of his suspicions
5) this is the only thing you said that is right, except you left out the part about those suspicions usually being wrong.

1) I know that you said you were going to, but it's still a fact that Alan was bad and that it would be a good vote to hide behind. Especially since you had telegraphed that way end of last game.
2) I can't counter you here, I wasn't in the game yet and haven't examined that vote too closely.
3) Again, I came in late and tend to be fairly quiet anyway. And I have big suspicions about Bearcat, but nobody else seems to have him on their list
4) Sun answered that.
5) Sometimes, not always.

[path12]

I don't really have a read on him. Hasn't said or done much. I've only played one other WW game w/ him too.

do you have a run down on the players you wish to share?

I've got so little to go on. I've really noticed a difference coming in late, plus the hidden roles.

The most suspicious to me are Bearcat, Celeval and Saldana, based almost solely on voting patterns (though with only two real votes, one if you discount day 1, it's not real clear). My gut says Schmidty is all right, and I don't know what to think about Raiders and King.

[pennywisesb]

The reason I voted for Packer today over RA is that every named role so far looks to have had a role and those that were just survivors (hoops/desnudo) had no tie with the TV show. If Packer is really Michael, then I don't think he could have a "simple survivor" role like he claims.

Unvote Kingfc22

I agree with King on this. Packer put himself smack dab in the middle of my radar today with his earlier posts. Plus, it seems as though all the named players at this point had special abilities, so for Packer to get an actual character's part, but not be given a special ability, I find that pretty fishy.

[path12]

Unvote Kingfc22

I agree with King on this. Packer put himself smack dab in the middle of my radar today with his earlier posts. Plus, it seems as though all the named players at this point had special abilities, so for Packer to get an actual character's part, but not be given a special ability, I find that pretty fishy.

Meant to add Packer to my above post. This whole thing is just weird.

[path12]

Gotta go for now -- hope to be back sometime before the vote. I'll leave it where it is for now.

[pennywisesb]

Sun, do you have any analysis of the Packer situation? Do you think he slipped up, or did he just make a noob mistake?